MarioWiki:Proposals: Difference between revisions

::I feel as though people are considering this a video game history archive, which is not this site's purpose. If people are concerned about preserving these course icons now that the game is shut down, it doesn't need to be here on this site. ({{@|Arend}}) [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 22:21, May 12, 2024 (EDT)

:::The wiki does, in fact, double as an archive and this proposal is contrary to that. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 01:09, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

::::This proposal is about either removing these from the galleries of the course articles or simply splitting the galleries off so they don't bloat the track articles--not deleting the images outright (since those will still be on the articles for the corresponding tours as-is). The only thing that'd be "deleted" (by some definition of the word) are the various gallery entries in the most extreme scenario. Call this "pedantic" if you so desire. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 02:19, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:::::I have no reason to call you pedantic. Don't know why people got so offended by my use of that word. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 02:45, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

::{{@|Glowsquid}} A pedantic response with a dishonest premise. If this was a real honest-to-god curated encyclopedia sold in stores, there wouldn't be a page on the history of Mario detailing every single one of his roles throughout his franchise; there wouldn't be entire gameplay sections on game articles detailing every single one of their mechanics and quirks; and there certainly wouldn't be entire repositories of images [[Gallery:Mario artwork (media)|pertaining to only one character]]. Tell me how ''any'' of that looks curated to you or how keeping a bunch of similar course icons on an article is somehow contrary to the spirit I had just described. Until now I have barely, if ever, seen an instance where this site omitted valid information (or material), no matter how inessential, for the purposes of condensing itself. Relocating said info/material, yes; removing off-putting fancruft, that's reasonable; but never in my entire experience has someone gone "you know what, Mario has too many appearances in games, we should delete the Mario Tennis sections because encyclopedias are meant to be condensed or something"--although the way things are going I can see this happen at some point. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 01:09, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

:: I am being "pedantic and dishonest" because that's the framing you choose to use. The wiki is not subject to the exact same limitation as print encyclopedia but it still curates and condenses for reasons of legally, because server space isn't cheap or unlimited, and because on some level, people do want curation on some level even if they disagree on the specifics. Otherwise nobody would be using the stuffy and highly curated Wikipedia in favour of Everything Wiki and its lack of notability requirement for page creation.

:Even if we split the garlleries up, the majority of these would ''still'' just be identical images with only the character in the corner being different. Sure, you help the performance aspect a little, but these are still fundamentally just the same 3-to-4 images with way too many characters slapped into the bottom right with a white outline. Once you've seen each angle once, you've seen them all; there is no reason to keep going beyond that point, because it doesn't illustrate the point any more--it just kinda bludgeons you over the head with it. The bottom line is, '''it's excessive''', and we shouldn't be treating our readers like utter fools who need to see 20 images of the same Mario Kart track icon with different characters over them, when they presumably only really "need" 4 of them at most. And if they really wanted to see the unique combinations, they could just head over to the corresponding cup/tour articles or the category we have for icons such as these. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 12:17, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

::Who are we to make judgement calls and decide that it's "too many" to be useful? And how is presenting the most complete repository of images possible "treating our readers like utter fools"? Who are we to decide what they "need to see"? I get why it could be seen as excessive, but I don't think it's so completely unreasonable that someone could want to see these, and I don't see how you (or even most people) not finding it interesting is reason to cut it altogether. And why should we force them to go hunting through articles or a category instead of galleries, the usual and best way to present a bunch of images? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:26, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

==Changes==

#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} This was something I thought of a while back as well. Just not sure how "related" would work.

#{{User|Arend}} Per all.

====Oppose====

Ok, {{@|Hewer}} On the SMA4, also a bad example b/c the Wii U version. {{@|Big Super Mario Fan}} First, none of what you say is fully confirmed. Second, even IF there's a multiverse, there would be more universes than what you specified. Third, this doesn't have to do with universes. Fourth, this needs to stop. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:40, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

:Wii U version then, this just feels pedantic at this point. I think I've already made my point there clear enough, though my main point is that this was a meaningless argument not relevant to the proposal. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:04, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

===Create seperate pages for Level themes===

#{{User|Sparks}} Categories are enough. If there were to be articles of different level themes across all ''Mario'' games, it would get much too repetitive. Adding category identifications to the bottom of level articles sorts them all without the need for many extra pages.

#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Sparks. These would get very repetitive, very quickly.

====Comments====

I'm stuck here. On the one hand, the opposition has a point. On the other hand, both Doc & BSMF have good points too. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:41, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

:This is why I'm abstaining for now. As Doc points out, we have several articles on specific level themes already, so making articles on other recurring level themes such as Ground/Grassland/Overworld and Underground would be obvious. On the other hand, it could be seen as becoming quickly repetitive, and something like [[Level]] already covers all themes without the repetition. It would also bring into question whether courses such as[[World 1-3 (Super Mario Bros.)]] should be counted as ground levels or sky levels. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:36, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

==Miscellaneous==

''None at the moment.''