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-On the above section, I had begun a talk page discussion asking if the Main Page should be redesigned. From the users I've talked to, or feedback that I've received, each person thinks that at least one thing could be improved with the main page, the most popular being the organization of the social links, such as Discord, the forums, and X social platform. One person thinks that some of the colors are too saturated.
+On the above section, I had begun a talk page discussion asking if the Main Page should be redesigned. From the users I've talked to, or feedback that I've received, each person thinks that at least one thing could be improved with the main page, the most popular being the organization of the social links, such as Discord, the forums, and X social platform.
-Since there's not been consensus on the main page design yet, due to the many variables involving it, I've decided to structure this proposal similarly to one about [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Create_two_specific_citation_templates|creating citation templates]] from a few months ago. The agreement was to create a citation template, but since clear guidelines on how the template would be designed hadn't been made, a follow-up proposal had to be created. A user was kind enough to create [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Decide_how_to_format_the_.7B.7Bcite.7D.7D_template_and_update_citation_guidelines_accordingly|a follow-up proposal]] that added on to my one that had passed.
+If the "Support a full redesign" option passes, we can proceed to overhaul the main page entirely, based on the design shown in my [[User:Super Mario RPG/sandbox|sandbox]], but a '''follow-up proposal will likely be required''' to establish which changes to my proposed design will be integrated into the main page, since some think my proposed design needs some tweaking. For comparison, my proposal on [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Create_two_specific_citation_templates|creating citation templates]] from a few months ago set such a precedent, where agreement was to create a citation template, but since clear guidelines on how the template would be designed hadn't been made, [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Decide_how_to_format_the_.7B.7Bcite.7D.7D_template_and_update_citation_guidelines_accordingly|a follow-up proposal]] had to be created, which someone else was kind enough to do.
-Basically, '''this proposal is only about the decision to redesign the main page''', whether it's a big or a small change. And if this proposal passes, the '''follow-up proposal''' from me or someone else will decide '''HOW''' the main page should be designed.
+Some don't want a full redesign, but rather just one or a few changes, the popular choices being to make the heading colors less saturated or to relocate the social links. To accommodate, I've made options for either option or both. If either of the aforementioned three options wins, the only change that would occur to the main page is changing either the heading colors to make them less saturated, relocate the social media links, or both.
-My [[User:Super Mario RPG/sandbox|sandbox page]] shows an idea of how I envision a main page redesign, but this won't necessarily be the finalized design. To repeat, this proposal is '''only about allowing a redesign''', so that if this proposal passes, the next step can be taken on how the main page should be redesigned, whether it's adjusting the design on my sandbox or starting elsewhere.
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Super Mario RPG}}<br>
 '''Deadline''': June 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
-===Support===
+===Support a full redesign===
 #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} As proposer
 #{{user|RetroNintendo2008}} I prefer the sleeker look the redesign has. With some minor changes later on, this could become arguably better than the current one. Nothing is lost or added in this, so as long as it stays faithful to the original, I'm on board with this.
+#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Provided this proposal is just to decide on whether we will redesign the main page at all, I'm in support. Generally I like the proposed redesign, but I have a few critiques. Per all.
+===Only change the heading colors to something less saturated and relocate social links===
+===Only change the headings to something less saturated===
+#{{User|Pseudo}} This aids with accessibility, but I’m not in favor of the redesigned header, as I feel it unnecessarily splits up information currently present and readily available on the main page.
+===Only relocate the social links===
-===Oppose===
+===Do nothing===
 #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - I see literally no reason why the current one is in need of changing, nor how this is any better by any objective metric.
 #{{User|Hewer}} While there are a few small oddities with the current main page (like the placement of the [[Lists of references|references]] link), this whole redesign feels very unnecessary and would probably do more harm than good.
+#{{User|Arend}} There isn't anything wrong with the current main page (e.g. the colors are just fine as they are, and so are the blocks of the topics (Featured Article, News, The 'Shroom, Polls, etc)). I don't understand how turning those blocks into two columns improves the main page (especially since the two columns will be viewed under each other as separate objects on mobile screens anyway), you don't need to fix what ain't broke. I also don't really like that the proposed Main Page has a big block of empty space under the right column (or left column on 4:3/iPad screens), which was somehow even worse [[Special:Diff/4211250|in a previous revision]], when the current main page doesn't have that problem on either PC or tablet, especially since four extra things ("Help us maintain this page", "View recent changes to the wiki", "Check out a random article", "Answers to frequently asked questions") will show up depending on the width of the screen or window, which the proposed Main Page does not do. I feel like it's a mistake to swap the placements of The 'Shroom and Mushroom World Encyclopedia, since this seems to be the cause of that block of empty space (our current Main Page only seems to swap these, again, depending on the width of the screen/window). I do like the inclusion of Mario and Luigi on the proposed Main Page's welcome banner though. (I should mention that I've been using the Monobook wiki skin, but I've also looked at the proposed main page when using the Vector skin and my problems with the empty spaces still remain there)
+#{{User|Tails777}} I kinda prefer how the main page looks as it is. This could wholeheartedly just be that side of me that isn't huge on change (I've been here for a long time, it's the same reason I haven't considered changing my username), but I've never once had any issue with any aspect of the main page, whether is be visuals, format or navigation.
+<s>#{{user|Koopa con Carne}} i’ll mainly oppose due to the newly added Explore and Navigate blocks, which add too much empty space and ruin the neat and compact appearance of the navigation portal. I don’t know if splicing the tabs on each half of the page into a column is a net bad or good, though I’m leaning towards calling it unecessary. I do like having social links gathered in their own place and I’ve come to realize that the more desaturated colors are better on the eyes, especially since the redesign keeps the positioning of the hues as the current page.</s>
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 On my screen (desktop mode on mobile, not sure if that makes a difference), the proposed redesign has some awkward empty space under The Shroom (filled in the current design by the links to "Help us maintain this page", "View recent changes to the wiki", etc.), and the "Navigate" box is cut off by the right side of the screen. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 04:18, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+{{@|Koopa con Carne}}: So taking the oppose into account, would this proposal not passing mean that the desaturated colors and placement of social links won't occur? Or would a later consensus be to retain the main page design but change those two factors? [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 07:03, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+:The proposal is worded as though it doesn't have a concrete goal: it's essentially a proposal ''to make a proposal'' about something, which just seems to add a pointless step in the process and is not something I could see myself endorsing either way. I see you've added two new options based on feedback, which is good, but before I cast my final vote I'd like to know if the changes would be enacted right away or if it's an attempt to just get a nod of agreement from users for something you're vaguely planning to do in the future. Would also be nice to see how you envision the main page with social links relocated but without the Explore and Navigate tabs. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 08:41, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+::Making proposals is a complicated process, so I can see why there's confusion. I've updated my proposal for better clarity. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 08:57, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+{{@|MegaBowser64}} The few critiques to the proposed design are understandable, which is why if the "Support a full redesign" option passes, it will likely be followed by another proposal, to address some of the potential issues that my proposed design has from others who otherwise want an overhaul of the main page. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 11:09, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+We're gonna be honest here--we don't like that new header ''at all.'' The fact that it doesn't actually share the same widths as the two halves beneath it, and the fact there's also no united border around it, makes it feel like just a mesh of rounded boxes. We'd be fine if it was just the stuff below it, but the header absolutely ruins it for us. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 11:18, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+:{{@|Camwoodstock}} Yeah, that one was a tough for the proposed design, since I was concerned about the resulting empty space if I made the heading. Does it look better now? I've now made them a consistent width (60% left, 40% right) though I don't currently have an idea on how to sort the "Explore" under the top-left heading, if that's even feasible. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 11:38, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+::We appreciate the fact they're no longer all jumbled up and have a consistent wid, though it still irks us that they don't have some united border whatsoever; especially since the main thing we enjoy about the tweaks ''beneath'' the header is that the two halves do have a united border now when they previously didn't. If we ''have'' to retain the current header to some capacity instead of simply transplanting the current header into this, at least taking a page from the current header where the top left box is borderless, combine the bottom two boxes under the same border, and then encase that entire thing in one big border might work? (This might be a little hard to explain in text, if you really want, we could make a quick-and-dirty mockup of what we mean in paint.net. ;P) {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 11:54, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+:::You're welcome to show that to me, sure. Feel free to make the change on my sandbox page if you'd like. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 11:57, May 18, 2024 (EDT)
+{{@|Arend}} Just wanted to mention that I did integrate FAQ and Random article under the "Navigation" heading, and the "Maintain this page" is still retained outright. Recent changes could possibly be integrated into the "Navigate," though I wondered the feasibility of that decision, considering a link to it is already on the sidebar. The display issues can be fixed, though it may be difficult for me to, since I'm not an expert in device optimization (i.e. if the proposed design passes, the proprietor will maintain it like how the current main page is being maintained). I didn't use some of the existing main page classes since some of those have predefined colors, hence a possibility of why there's display issues on the proposed design. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 12:50, May 18, 2024 (EDT)