Talk:Wing Cap

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:::::Yeah, this argument doesn't really make sense. Like, the Vanish Cap and Metal Cap were already coming out of different color boxes from Wing Cap in 64. 64DS decided to change this to different characters and just made one box. Even still, this argument, at best, tries to distinguish Wings from Power Flower, which already is separated. At least, how I am viewing it. In either case, the changes they did to 64DS makes sense. And, it makes sense for Wings being on the same page as Wing Cap. That is what I am saying, anyways. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 15:14, October 13, 2020 (EDT)

::::::I don't see why the Wings only coming out of a block when Mario hits it makes it warrant a separate article - it's a simple case of a useless item not coming out of a block and instead being replaced with something that can actually be used. Also, you say it could have easily been a Wing Cap, but I completely disagree since it exists in multiplayer. It would have been awkward for Luigi, Wario, or Yoshi to collect an item that is clearly specifically designed for Mario. There's no way around that since there's no way for the game to know which character is going to pick it up. At this point I'm convinced that the Wings were merely a design choice to make it neutral for all characters who can collect it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:45, October 13, 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Then why would, instead of using wings as a power up (which had [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|been]] [[P-Wing|done]] [[Yoshi's Wings|before]]), they use a feather that acts suspiciously like the feathers in SMW from its own behavior to the power it grants only having functional differences in places where it is more or less difficult to implement in 3D (ie "flapping doodads on head" is easier to render in limited 3D than [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoFlowInCGI a moving cape], the earthquake thing wouldn't work for SM64's gameplay at all, the cape attack would be basically redundant with him already having physical attacks, while both forms have the "downward momentum for flight" mechanic). I think a generically-named replacement (Wings) for an item (Wing Cap) that grants a form (Wing Mario) suspiciously similar in function to a form (Cape Mario) caused by an item (Cape Feather) essentially identical to said replacement (Wings) means that either the item from the other game (Cape Feather) should be merged with the replacement (Wings) or all three separate, but not keep the replacement (Wings) merged to the origin counterpart (Wing Cap) that the ''item itself'' is nothing like at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:50, October 13, 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Then why would, instead of using wings as a power up (which had [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|been]] [[P-Wing|done]] [[Yoshi's Wings|before]]), they use a feather that acts suspiciously like the feathers in SMW from its own behavior to the power it grants only having functional differences in places where it is more or less difficult to implement in 3D (ie "flapping doodads on head" is easier to render in limited 3D than [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoFlowInCGI a moving cape], the earthquake thing wouldn't work for SM64's gameplay at all, the cape attack would be basically redundant with him already having physical attacks, while both forms have the "downward momentum for flight" mechanic)? I think a generically-named replacement (Wings) for an item (Wing Cap) that grants a form (Wing Mario) suspiciously similar in function to a form (Cape Mario) caused by an item (Cape Feather) essentially identical to said replacement (Wings) means that either the item from the other game (Cape Feather) should be merged with the replacement (Wings) or all three separate, but not keep the replacement (Wings) merged to the origin counterpart (Wing Cap) that the ''item itself'' is nothing like at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:50, October 13, 2020 (EDT)

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 :::::Yeah, this argument doesn't really make sense. Like, the Vanish Cap and Metal Cap were already coming out of different color boxes from Wing Cap in 64. 64DS decided to change this to different characters and just made one box. Even still, this argument, at best, tries to distinguish Wings from Power Flower, which already is separated. At least, how I am viewing it. In either case, the changes they did to 64DS makes sense. And, it makes sense for Wings being on the same page as Wing Cap. That is what I am saying, anyways. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 15:14, October 13, 2020 (EDT)
 ::::::I don't see why the Wings only coming out of a block when Mario hits it makes it warrant a separate article - it's a simple case of a useless item not coming out of a block and instead being replaced with something that can actually be used. Also, you say it could have easily been a Wing Cap, but I completely disagree since it exists in multiplayer. It would have been awkward for Luigi, Wario, or Yoshi to collect an item that is clearly specifically designed for Mario. There's no way around that since there's no way for the game to know which character is going to pick it up. At this point I'm convinced that the Wings were merely a design choice to make it neutral for all characters who can collect it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:45, October 13, 2020 (EDT)
-:::::::Then why would, instead of using wings as a power up (which had [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|been]] [[P-Wing|done]] [[Yoshi's Wings|before]]), they use a feather that acts suspiciously like the feathers in SMW from its own behavior to the power it grants only having functional differences in places where it is more or less difficult to implement in 3D (ie "flapping doodads on head" is easier to render in limited 3D than [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoFlowInCGI a moving cape], the earthquake thing wouldn't work for SM64's gameplay at all, the cape attack would be basically redundant with him already having physical attacks, while both forms have the "downward momentum for flight" mechanic). I think a generically-named replacement <small>(Wings)</small> for an item <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that grants a form <small>(Wing Mario)</small> suspiciously similar in function to a form <small>(Cape Mario)</small> caused by an item <small>(Cape Feather)</small> essentially identical to said replacement <small>(Wings)</small> means that either the item from the other game <small>(Cape Feather)</small> should be merged with the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> or all three separate, but not keep the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> merged to the origin counterpart <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that the ''item itself'' is nothing like at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:50, October 13, 2020 (EDT)
+:::::::Then why would, instead of using wings as a power up (which had [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|been]] [[P-Wing|done]] [[Yoshi's Wings|before]]), they use a feather that acts suspiciously like the feathers in SMW from its own behavior to the power it grants only having functional differences in places where it is more or less difficult to implement in 3D (ie "flapping doodads on head" is easier to render in limited 3D than [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoFlowInCGI a moving cape], the earthquake thing wouldn't work for SM64's gameplay at all, the cape attack would be basically redundant with him already having physical attacks, while both forms have the "downward momentum for flight" mechanic)? I think a generically-named replacement <small>(Wings)</small> for an item <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that grants a form <small>(Wing Mario)</small> suspiciously similar in function to a form <small>(Cape Mario)</small> caused by an item <small>(Cape Feather)</small> essentially identical to said replacement <small>(Wings)</small> means that either the item from the other game <small>(Cape Feather)</small> should be merged with the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> or all three separate, but not keep the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> merged to the origin counterpart <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that the ''item itself'' is nothing like at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:50, October 13, 2020 (EDT)