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 In [[Sonic]]'s case, there is a clear defined continuity because there is an official [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_canon Sonic canon]. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Flynn Ian Flynn] has used his podcast, the Bumblekast, to answer fan questions about anything, including questions regarding canon. Flynn, who has contributed to various Sonic media including comics, TV, and video games, has indeed acknowledged the existence of a canon for the Sonic series. Additionally, Sonic community manager, [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Katie_Chrzanowski Katie Chrzanowski], put out a statement on Twitter saying: "In the past few years, we've been looking at the entire universe of Sonic and how things tie together canonically for the future." "[[Sega]] put together a small team of us internally... we're working on making the universe and stories more meaningfully connected." You can read her full statement [https://twitter.com/KatieChrz/status/1591569833195606018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1591569834760105984%7Ctwgr%5Eca5b2a587b65cd66a44fdbeeec4c4acb45e3d973%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurogamer.net%2Fsega-hiring-sonic-l here]. No spokesperson for Nintendo has ever made a statement like that.
-When discussing the continuity of the Mario series, Miyamoto himself has offered an interesting perspective. He likened the Mario cast to a troupe of actors playing various roles in different games. This view explains why, for instance, Mario can be portrayed as a medical doctor and Peach as a nurse in certain games. However, it's important to note that Miyamoto's perspective might not necessarily reflect the views of all developers involved in the Mario series. Depending on whom you ask, developers from different studios like AlphaDream, Artoon, Intelligent Systems, Rare, etc. might have varying opinions on the matter. Therefore, it's essential to recognize that while Miyamoto's explanation provides insight into the flexible nature of Mario's universe, it doesn't necessarily represent an official stance that every developer would agree upon. The interpretation of continuity in the Mario series can vary depending on individual perspectives and creative decisions within the development teams. Miyamoto doesn't acknowledge a canon for Mario or any other Nintendo developer, for that matter, and Nintendo hasn't forged a team of lore masters to keep track of Mario's continuity. So, is there a Mario canon? Nintendo has yet to issue any official statement regarding the existence of a Mario canon, and MarioWiki's policy remains unchanged due to the limited information available on the subject—specifically, the absence of an official statement from Nintendo. Given these circumstances, it is unlikely that either Nintendo or MarioWiki will modify their stance on canon in the foreseeable future. As a result, individuals interested in discussing a Mario canon with their family and friends may need to rely on their own interpretations or  [https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/headcanon/ headcanon]. --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 13:22, February 16, 2024 (EST)
+When discussing the continuity of the Mario series, Miyamoto himself has offered an interesting perspective. He likened the Mario cast to a troupe of actors playing various roles in different games. This view explains why, for instance, Mario can be portrayed as a medical doctor and Peach as a nurse in certain games. However, it's important to note that Miyamoto's perspective might not necessarily reflect the views of all developers involved in the Mario series. Depending on whom you ask, developers from different studios like AlphaDream, Artoon, Intelligent Systems, Rare, etc. might have varying opinions on the matter. Therefore, it's essential to recognize that while Miyamoto's explanation provides insight into the flexible nature of Mario's universe, it doesn't necessarily represent an official stance that every developer would agree upon. The interpretation of continuity in the Mario series can vary depending on individual perspectives and creative decisions within the development teams. Miyamoto doesn't acknowledge a canon for Mario or any other Nintendo developer, for that matter, and Nintendo hasn't forged a team of lore masters to keep track of Mario's continuity. So, is there a Mario canon? Nintendo has yet to issue any official statement regarding the existence of a Mario canon, and MarioWiki's policy remains unchanged due to the limited information available on the subject—specifically, the absence of an official statement from Nintendo. Given these circumstances, it is unlikely that either Nintendo or MarioWiki will modify their stance on canon in the foreseeable future. As a result, individuals interested in discussing a Mario canon with their family and friends may need to rely on their own interpretations or  [https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/headcanon/ headcanon]. Take a moment to envision yourself transported back to your childhood days. It's likely that at some point, you engaged in imaginative play with your friends and family members, whether on the playground, at school, or in the comfort of your home. Perhaps you assumed the roles of beloved Mario characters, embarking on fantastical adventures and made wholesome memories. Now, ask yourself this simple question, what is preventing you from reliving those moments as an adult. Embrace your imagination once more, Using your own headcanon to make sense of the Mario universe.  --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 13:22, February 16, 2024 (EST)
 :It's quite an interesting read but ''please'', break up your paragraphs. This was so hard to get through.{{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:04, February 16, 2024 (EST)
 ::Thank you for your input. I hope it looks better for you :) --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 16:14, February 16, 2024 (EST)
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 ::::::::P.S. I've provided an answer concerning that tweet from an '''official''' source, i.e., '''''Sonic the Hedgehog Encyclo-speed-ia''''' and gave my interpretation. However, please note that this is the '''Super Mario Wiki''', not the '''Super Sonic Wiki'''. For inquiries related to Sonic, I suggest visiting the [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_Wiki_Zone Sonic Wiki Zone]. They have a dedicated [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Sonic_canon talk page] for the '''Sonic Canon''' article where you can ask your question regarding that tweet. Additionally, you may consider reaching out to [https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC Ian Flynn], [https://twitter.com/SpiritSonic Evan Stanley], [https://twitter.com/KatieChrz Katie Chrzanowski], and [https://twitter.com/tyson_hesse Tyson Hesse] on '''Twitter''', as they work for '''Sega''' and might have the answers you seek. Kind regards. --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 14:55, February 24, 2024 (EST)
 :::::::::"'''Here's a breakdown of the statement''': "Something that's already canon can have a different meaning, or can further explain the canonicity of another canonical product.""... No comment. "'''Canonical Product''': This refers to any officially recognized work within the fictional universe, such as novels, films, TV episodes, comics, or other media. Each of these products contributes to the overarching canon and helps shape the audience's understanding of the story and its characters." True, but then what about contradictions within the canon? "P.S. I've provided an answer concerning that tweet from an '''official''' source, i.e., '''''Sonic the Hedgehog Encyclo-speed-ia''''' and gave my interpretation." So there could be alternate interpretations of both that source and the tweet itself? That kinda muddles your argument. "However, please note that this is the '''Super Mario Wiki''', not the '''Super Sonic Wiki'''. For inquiries related to Sonic, I suggest visiting the [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_Wiki_Zone Sonic Wiki Zone]. They have a dedicated [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Sonic_canon talk page] for the '''Sonic Canon''' article where you can ask your question regarding that tweet." One, fandom's blocked. Two, technically YOU brought up Sonic canon when talking about MARIO canon, I just did a reply, which started this whole thing. "Additionally, you may consider reaching out to [https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC Ian Flynn], [https://twitter.com/SpiritSonic Evan Stanley], [https://twitter.com/KatieChrz Katie Chrzanowski], and [https://twitter.com/tyson_hesse Tyson Hesse] on '''Twitter''', as they work for '''Sega''' and might have the answers you seek." Yeah, that website is blocked, do they have an email? I could send one via Gmail. That would, personally, be easier. "Kind regards." Kind regards back to you. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 07:43, February 26, 2024 (CST)
-::::::::::Sorry to hear that both Fandom & Twitter blocked you. Ian Flynn has a podcast called [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHBS8k00Ip8YSO2M7w42RFQ Bumblekast] you can probably reach him through the gmail he has set up for his podcast show. Just click on the list of links on YouTube, scroll down to additional channel details, and its there. BTW, as I said above, individuals interested in discussing a Mario canon, or any canon for that matter, with their family and friends may need to rely on their own interpretations or  [https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/headcanon/ headcanon]. Now, this is for everyone reading this, take a moment to envision yourself transported back to your childhood days. It's likely that at some point, you engaged in imaginative play with your friends and family members, whether on the playground, at school, or in the comfort of your home. Perhaps you assumed the roles of beloved Mario characters, embarking on fantastical adventures and made wholesome memories. Now, ask yourself this simple question, what is preventing you from reliving those moments as an adult. Embrace your imagination once more, Using your own headcanon to make sense of the Mario universe. I do not plan to discuss this any further. Good luck. I wish you all the Best! --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 15:47, February 26, 2024 (EST)
+::::::::::Sorry to hear that both Fandom & Twitter blocked you. Ian Flynn has a podcast called [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHBS8k00Ip8YSO2M7w42RFQ Bumblekast] you can probably reach him through the gmail he has set up for his podcast show. Just click on the list of links on YouTube, scroll down to additional channel details, and its there. BTW, as I said above, individuals interested in discussing a Mario canon, or any canon for that matter, with their family and friends may need to rely on their own interpretations or  [https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/headcanon/ headcanon]. Now, this is for everyone reading this, as stated above, take a moment to envision yourself transported back to your childhood days. It's likely that at some point, you engaged in imaginative play with your friends and family members, whether on the playground, at school, or in the comfort of your home. Perhaps you assumed the roles of beloved Mario characters, embarking on fantastical adventures and made wholesome memories. Now, ask yourself this simple question, what is preventing you from reliving those moments as an adult. Embrace your imagination once more, Using your own headcanon to make sense of the Mario universe. I do not plan to discuss this any further. Good luck. I wish you all the Best! --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 15:47, February 26, 2024 (EST)