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::I beg to differ. It also clearly states several times that the name "Nintendo 3DS" is a temporary name that is only being used during development. And you obviously won't be able to play 3D games on the old 2D consoles. Besides, it's the only lead we have on the console, why should we assume there is a mistake in it? Uniju :D 18:30, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | ::I beg to differ. It also clearly states several times that the name "Nintendo 3DS" is a temporary name that is only being used during development. And you obviously won't be able to play 3D games on the old 2D consoles. Besides, it's the only lead we have on the console, why should we assume there is a mistake in it? Uniju :D 18:30, 29 March 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::I also forgot about all the [[Game Boy]] consoles. All right, I'll remove the tag, but you might want another oppinion before we do anything definite. {{User:Reversinator/sig}} | :::I also forgot about all the [[Game Boy]] consoles. All right, I'll remove the tag, but you might want another oppinion before we do anything definite. {{User:Reversinator/sig}} | ||
::::Nintendo made an official announcement, so I think its okay to remove the tag. Even if its not a "successor" it shouldn't be deleted. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[ | ::::Nintendo made an official announcement, so I think its okay to remove the tag. Even if its not a "successor" it shouldn't be deleted. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[File:Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png|30px]] | ||
==Merge into Nintendo DS== | ==Merge into Nintendo DS== | ||
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====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
#{{User|WiiURob}} Per proposal | #{{User|WiiURob}} Per proposal | ||
#{{User| | #{{User|The Super Mario Super User}} Per WiiURob, I also think the New 3DS should get it's own article | ||
#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per WiiURob | #{{User|LudwigVon}} Per WiiURob | ||
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per WiiURob's comment below. | #{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per WiiURob's comment below. | ||
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I'm sort of neutral on this, so I'm not going to vote. However, I must mention that if this proposal passes, we will also have to create a separate article for the Wii Shop Channel, due to constancy. [[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 18:05, 12 February 2015 (EST) | I'm sort of neutral on this, so I'm not going to vote. However, I must mention that if this proposal passes, we will also have to create a separate article for the Wii Shop Channel, due to constancy. [[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 18:05, 12 February 2015 (EST) | ||
@ | @The Super Mario Super User: We should probably wait for a New 3DS article until it actually gets some exclusive Mario games. --{{User:SuperYoshiBros/sig}} 13:55, 15 February 2015 (EST) | ||
==New 3DS separate article== | ==New 3DS separate article== | ||
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== Split this article into Nintendo 3DS and New Nintendo 3DS == | == Split this article into Nintendo 3DS and New Nintendo 3DS == | ||
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{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-13|Don't split}} | |||
I saw only one New 3DS-exclusive game: ''[[Minecraft|Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition]]''. Six games enhanced for the New Nintendo 3DS systems are ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS]]'', ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'', ''[[Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge]]'', ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Nintendo 3DS)|Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games]]'', ''[[Mario Party: Star Rush]]'', and ''[[Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World]]''. | I saw only one New 3DS-exclusive game: ''[[Minecraft|Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition]]''. Six games enhanced for the New Nintendo 3DS systems are ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS]]'', ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'', ''[[Mini Mario & Friends: amiibo Challenge]]'', ''[[Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Nintendo 3DS)|Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games]]'', ''[[Mario Party: Star Rush]]'', and ''[[Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World]]''. | ||
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#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Alex. According to the ''[[Minecraft]]'' article, ''Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition'' doesn't actually have the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, so I don't feel we should cover the New Nintendo 3DS just because of that. | #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Alex. According to the ''[[Minecraft]]'' article, ''Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition'' doesn't actually have the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack, so I don't feel we should cover the New Nintendo 3DS just because of that. | ||
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per Alex95, TheFlameChomp and the two previous failed proposal. | #{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per Alex95, TheFlameChomp and the two previous failed proposal. | ||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Pinky Kong is Stinky Kong and should not get its own article, and neither should this. Just yet. Besides, what does "can only be played" mean here? I've heard people say the ''Zelda''/''Dynasty Warriors'' game ''Hyrule Warriors Legends'' can't be played on a 3DS, but I've played it on my first-wave 3DS many times and it works just fine. | |||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Pinky Kong is Stinky Kong and should not get its own article, and neither should this. Just yet. Besides, what does "can only be played" mean here? I've heard people say the ''Zelda''/''Dynasty Warriors'' game ''Hyrule Warriors Legends'' can't be played on a 3DS, but I've played it on my first-wave 3DS many times and it works just fine. | |||
#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all. | #{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all. | #{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} '''''Strongly oppose.''''' The opposition above my vote has good comments about the situation, so per all. | #{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} '''''Strongly oppose.''''' The opposition above my vote has good comments about the situation, so per all. | ||
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all. | #{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Okay, the proposal was moved. Well, per my previous vote. And, well, okay, there is ''one'' game. But that one game does not contain the Super Mario Mash-Up Pack like the Wii U and Switch versions, so I don't even know why we cover it here. | |||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per my original vote. | |||
#{{User|Lcrossmk8}} Again, there's not much of a difference between the overall basic structure of the Nintendo 3DS and the New Nintendo 3DS---they are both Nintendo 3DSes, for lack of a better statement. In fact, to go even further with that fact, the 3DS and New 3DS are both Nintendo DSes in general. Also, I am going to go with what everyone else said. I think I have officially made my point clearly understood, thank you very much. '''hat tip''' | |||
#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per all. There is no big difference between the original 3DS and the New 3DS. They are all part of what is called by Nintendo, the Nintendo 3DS family of systems. For me, the New Nintendo 3DS is more like an improvement of the original system, like PS4 vs. PS4 Pro or Xbox One vs. Xbox One X from other companies. | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
@Doc von Schmeltwick: "Can only be played on New Nintendo 3DS" means the game can only be played on New Nintendo 3DS. ''Hyrule Warriors Legends'' can be played on a regular 3DS, but the performance will be much slower. Games like ''Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition'' and ''Xenoblade Chronicles 3D'' are exclusive to the New Nintendo 3DS system. There are no ''Mario'' games exclusive to the New Nintendo 3DS, so there's no point for us to give it an article of its own. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:41, 12 December 2017 (EST) | @Doc von Schmeltwick: "Can only be played on New Nintendo 3DS" means the game can only be played on New Nintendo 3DS. ''Hyrule Warriors Legends'' can be played on a regular 3DS, but the performance will be much slower. Games like ''Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition'' and ''Xenoblade Chronicles 3D'' are exclusive to the New Nintendo 3DS system. There are no ''Mario'' games exclusive to the New Nintendo 3DS, so there's no point for us to give it an article of its own. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:41, 12 December 2017 (EST) | ||
:Performance seemed perfectly fine to me, things just didn't render in as thick droves as they did in the Wii U version. Anyways, yeah, unless some exclusives for ''Mario'' are released then. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:47, 12 December 2017 (EST) | :Performance seemed perfectly fine to me, things just didn't render in as thick droves as they did in the Wii U version. Anyways, yeah, unless some exclusives for ''Mario'' are released then. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:47, 12 December 2017 (EST) | ||
== Proposal Above == | |||
I know I'm very late, but I just saw this proposal. I don't get how it failed. The DSi is split from the DS. Seems like the same principle to me. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} | |||
:Section needs expanded, but there are DSi enhanced ''Mario'' games. And because of the exclusive internet that the regular and Lite DS's don't have, there are ''Mario'' exclusive DSiWare games as well. The New Nintendo 3DS does enhance some games, but there isn't anything exclusive that is a ''Mario'' game. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:23, 13 January 2018 (EST) | |||
== New pages == | |||
Should we make more pages on the rest of the 3DS family like how you made the [[Nintendo DSi|Nintendo DSi]] it's own page. {{User|YoshiFan08}} 06:14, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Emulator Screenshots == | |||
So is it ok to use emulators (such as Citra) to take screenshots of 3ds games? I was wondering if making screenshots 10x native is ok or not since the models and stuff are still official, they are just upscaled? Another thing, is there a way to make sprites (such as the hud for most games) to not look blurry when using 10x native? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 18:32, November 30, 2021 (EST) | |||
:The original resolution is still preferred since these emulator gadgets are not official and counts as fan-edits. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 18:35, November 30, 2021 (EST) | |||
::@Swallow, well several Wii and Gamecube games use emulators to get higher quality screenshots. I do not see why we can’t use 10x native screenshots for 3DS games, while most other consoles such as Gamecube and Wii can do it just fine. Mind explaining why those are ok but not higher resolution 3DS screenshots (I also think this applies for the original DS as well)? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 00:15, December 2, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::I wouldn't mind if someone else explains this more clearly since I'm not an expert on the situation, but I imagine those are still faithful to the original quality compared to the 3D Land images you took. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 06:37, December 2, 2021 (EST) | |||
::::It's not forbidden to upscale the resolution of screenshots, especially in lower res GameCube and N64 games to show-off the detail of the images better but original resolution is still preferred. In addition, there is no way to make HUD not look blurry when upscaling them, since they are a set size (in something like Super Mario 64, they're likely 32 or 64 in a dimension max); this is equivalent of taking an image and upscaling its size. Only way to make HUD not look blurry is to redraw them, something Super Mario 64 in the 3D All Stars collection does or HD hud packs done by fans, something which is not allowed on the wiki. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 16:05, December 4, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::::@Ray Trace, so is it ok to use 10x native 3ds screenshots then? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 17:42, December 4, 2021 (EST) | |||
::::::Upload screenshots at their native resolution. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 20:24, December 4, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::::::Ok, the ones I did take are higher resolution so sorry about that. Should we make a proposal about if it is ok to upload 3ds screenshots above their native resolution? [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 21:16, December 4, 2021 (EST) | |||
::::::::Proposal is not needed, it's generally encouraged to take 3ds screenshots in native resolution and that's what you should do. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 21:55, December 4, 2021 (EST) | |||
== How To Rip 3DS Models? == | |||
How do you rip models from 3DS games? I use Citra for emulation and I would like to rip model from 3D Land and the 3DS remakes of Yoshi’s Woolly World and Mario & Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story primarily so it would be nice if I could get help on that. Also I am trying to get models not on The Models Resource if that is cool. Any model software is fine (but I kinda use Blender) so just tell me the easiest way to rip models from these 3DS games (as well as there textures). [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 02:24, December 5, 2021 (EST) | |||
:If anyone is willing to help me with model uploading or uploading them for me that would be nice (I mainly want the Mole models from Super Mario 3D Land and the 3ds remakes of Bowser’s Inside Story and Yoshi’s Woolly World). [[User:MontyMoleLoreMaster|MontyMoleLoreMaster]] ([[User talk:MontyMoleLoreMaster|talk]]) 14:11, December 5, 2021 (EST) | |||
::Ripping models from these games requires knowledge of what format they are in, as different games use different model formats and may have different methods on how to get them working. Citra can dump the game's content by right clicking on the title and clicking on dump content, but you may not be done there because as I said, it depends on the game. Something like ''Yoshi's New Island'' have models compressed into .bch.z format, which requires ntcompress.exe to decompress models into uncompressed bch (and using ntcompress.exe requires basic knowledge on how to operate command prompt as well as configuring your PC's registry to open command prompt via shift + right click on Windows Explorer in a desired directory), which Ohana 3DS can read (and possibly have textures inside model files), plus can additionally export as 3D models if you really want to use Blender. Having Blender read textures requires that you know how to import textures into Blender. | |||
::Before you ask, I will not further assist in step-by-step acquiring models. I am telling you right now the exact steps you need to know in the simplest manner. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 02:37, December 7, 2021 (EST) | |||