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Whoa whoa, I just read that next to the Electoplankton stage. I think we all need some clarity here. By make your own music do you mean that there's a feature under the options or something thats like a music maker? Or does bouncing on certain things in the stage make music and you just make it as you play? Or can you just simply play any song from MyMusic there? --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 23:05, 5 March 2008 (EST) | Whoa whoa, I just read that next to the Electoplankton stage. I think we all need some clarity here. By make your own music do you mean that there's a feature under the options or something thats like a music maker? Or does bouncing on certain things in the stage make music and you just make it as you play? Or can you just simply play any song from MyMusic there? --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 23:05, 5 March 2008 (EST) | ||
:Turns out Hanenbow/Electroplankton has no music '''at all''' other than fish music and stuff like that. The user probably meant something about choosing any music from MYMUSIC. | :Turns out Hanenbow/Electroplankton has no music '''at all''' other than fish music and stuff like that. The user probably meant something about choosing any music from MYMUSIC. mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small>mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif | ||
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:boomerang =/= gale boomerang, clawshot=/= hookshot, his backward aerial is different, too. His down aerial makes a wave when landing. and people, clones = same moveset (ALL) without difference but the effects {{User:McDimentio/sig}} | :boomerang =/= gale boomerang, clawshot=/= hookshot, his backward aerial is different, too. His down aerial makes a wave when landing. and people, clones = same moveset (ALL) without difference but the effects {{User:McDimentio/sig}} | ||
:::::They changed Wolf's moves. They changed Falco's moves. And with Luigi Tornado, Luigi's much different. But then there's Toon Link. They barely changed him. Sure the arrows go straight and the boomerang just hirs player and bounces back instead of using a tonrado and bringing them closer and stuff but yah. They have the same moves, same Final Smash which works exactly the same, same bombs and same Up B. They didn't change him much! Other than arrow, boomerang and yes of course statistics (he's faster yet weaker) he's a clone. Just because two moves are slightly different, he is still a clone. A proposal should be made, no? | :::::They changed Wolf's moves. They changed Falco's moves. And with Luigi Tornado, Luigi's much different. But then there's Toon Link. They barely changed him. Sure the arrows go straight and the boomerang just hirs player and bounces back instead of using a tonrado and bringing them closer and stuff but yah. They have the same moves, same Final Smash which works exactly the same, same bombs and same Up B. They didn't change him much! Other than arrow, boomerang and yes of course statistics (he's faster yet weaker) he's a clone. Just because two moves are slightly different, he is still a clone. A proposal should be made, no? mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small>mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif And the Clawshot/Hookshot doesn't make that much of a difference. | ||
::::::I agree with Jorge. Wolf and Luigi are out of the question, and Falco has been changed some since Melee. As for Toon Link, he is a clone. Clone doesn't mean Identical moveset. If it were, it would be the same character. Just like Mario = Mario (der). Although the ''names'' of the attacks are different, the functions are ''very'' similar. Conclusion: Toon Link is a Clone. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | ::::::I agree with Jorge. Wolf and Luigi are out of the question, and Falco has been changed some since Melee. As for Toon Link, he is a clone. Clone doesn't mean Identical moveset. If it were, it would be the same character. Just like Mario = Mario (der). Although the ''names'' of the attacks are different, the functions are ''very'' similar. Conclusion: Toon Link is a Clone. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} | ||
:::::::Of course. When I started this whole clone thing, I tried to leave everyone out of the talk except for Toon Link. He's the only one I will consider true clone. | :::::::Of course. When I started this whole clone thing, I tried to leave everyone out of the talk except for Toon Link. He's the only one I will consider true clone. mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small>mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif | ||
:Didn't Sakurai say that he was going to avoid repeat characters? He hasn't said anything different yet, has he? And then the clone term is a conjectural term anyway... I honestly don't see the problem with noting the similarities in movesets, then moving on. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:09, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | :Didn't Sakurai say that he was going to avoid repeat characters? He hasn't said anything different yet, has he? And then the clone term is a conjectural term anyway... I honestly don't see the problem with noting the similarities in movesets, then moving on. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:09, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
::No, he didn't. Fans put it into his mouth. A.k.a "rumor". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:11, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ::No, he didn't. Fans put it into his mouth. A.k.a "rumor". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:11, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Indeed. Te rumor also said that there were 50 characters in the game. Hmm... | :::Indeed. Te rumor also said that there were 50 characters in the game. Hmm... mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small>mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif | ||
::Jorge, I'm sure you know this, but just because one rumor was based in fan speculation doesn't mean they all are. For example, the "rumor" that I am currently searching for the source of seems to have at least some roots in this [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html radio interview]. I found you guys a French site, so the translation is off, but you'll get it. Basically the article claims (maybe you know something about the website?) that Sakurai promised to change Falco so that he wouldn't be a "clone." Now, if this is really where it all came from, I'll be disappointed. I'm still looking for the quote that I sincerely believe Sakurai said at some point in time. It was something to the extent of knowing that people were dissapointed with use of characters based off of other characters, and that he would like to avoid them this time around. I'll let you know if I have any luck. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:37, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ::Jorge, I'm sure you know this, but just because one rumor was based in fan speculation doesn't mean they all are. For example, the "rumor" that I am currently searching for the source of seems to have at least some roots in this [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html radio interview]. I found you guys a French site, so the translation is off, but you'll get it. Basically the article claims (maybe you know something about the website?) that Sakurai promised to change Falco so that he wouldn't be a "clone." Now, if this is really where it all came from, I'll be disappointed. I'm still looking for the quote that I sincerely believe Sakurai said at some point in time. It was something to the extent of knowing that people were dissapointed with use of characters based off of other characters, and that he would like to avoid them this time around. I'll let you know if I have any luck. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:37, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::Okay, so here's the deal: I just realized that the arguement over whether or not this is a rumor is null. What we should be debating is whether the use of a fan-made term is acceptable on a Wiki that typically condemns fan creations as "non-canon" (see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]]). I'm hearing from the vocal members of the support side of this arguement that only special moves matter, yet when we change our focus to another wiki, such as [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_characters Smash Wiki], they've created "semi-clones" -- characters whose special moves are the same but A button attacks are different, which is exactly what we're seeing in McVader's arguments. In other words, this entire argument is pointless -- the definition of this unofficial term varies by website. So, we can either rely on it and cause confusion on the part of the reader, or we can include a few more words on each page to describe that Ganon's special moveset closely replicates Captain Falcon's, but his normal attacks are different. Your choice. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:47, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | :::Okay, so here's the deal: I just realized that the arguement over whether or not this is a rumor is null. What we should be debating is whether the use of a fan-made term is acceptable on a Wiki that typically condemns fan creations as "non-canon" (see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]]). I'm hearing from the vocal members of the support side of this arguement that only special moves matter, yet when we change our focus to another wiki, such as [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_characters Smash Wiki], they've created "semi-clones" -- characters whose special moves are the same but A button attacks are different, which is exactly what we're seeing in McVader's arguments. In other words, this entire argument is pointless -- the definition of this unofficial term varies by website. So, we can either rely on it and cause confusion on the part of the reader, or we can include a few more words on each page to describe that Ganon's special moveset closely replicates Captain Falcon's, but his normal attacks are different. Your choice. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:47, 17 March 2008 (EDT) | ||
::::If Sakurai said it, then that must mean the word "clone" is not an unofficial name, no? And if that's so, then how do we know who's a clone, who's not? | ::::If Sakurai said it, then that must mean the word "clone" is not an unofficial name, no? And if that's so, then how do we know who's a clone, who's not?mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>·</tt></small>mg247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif | ||
Hmmm... If Sakurai DID, in fact, say something about "clones" in Brawl, then the term is not fan-made. We have no proof on this, however. We have no proof "clone" is an official term. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by similar special moveset. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by moveset and statistics as a whole. I finally realize, we have no proof on ANY of this. As such, I propose we just replace "??? is a clone of ???" with "??? has a similar moveset to ???, but has a few notable differences", or something like that (maybe go a bit more in-depth). We are supposed to make articles longer, anyway. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | Hmmm... If Sakurai DID, in fact, say something about "clones" in Brawl, then the term is not fan-made. We have no proof on this, however. We have no proof "clone" is an official term. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by similar special moveset. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by moveset and statistics as a whole. I finally realize, we have no proof on ANY of this. As such, I propose we just replace "??? is a clone of ???" with "??? has a similar moveset to ???, but has a few notable differences", or something like that (maybe go a bit more in-depth). We are supposed to make articles longer, anyway. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | ||