Editing Talk:Yoshi (series)

==The official Yoshi's Island series==
The ''Super Mario Memorial Book'' actually explicitly mentions the Yoshi's Island series, indicating as part of it only the games that have ''Yoshi's Island'' in the name:<br />

* ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]''
* ''[[Super Mario Advance 3: Yoshi's Island]]''
* ''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]
* ''[[Yoshi's New Island]]

''[[Yoshi's Woolly World]]'' is mentioned elsewhere in the same book, so it is not on the list on purpose, not because of when it was released.<br />
Should we follow this official guideline?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:43, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:Does it have Yoshi's Story in that book? Then I might be able to answer. But to answer the question without that knowledge, Yoshi's Woolly World should not be included. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 11:48, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
::Yoshi's Story (『ヨッシーストーリー』is indeed mentioned in that book, in Yoshi's bio.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 12:48, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:Re: Mr. Wu - absolutely. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 12:31, 19 October 2016 (EDT)

To add some context, here's the description of the series in the book:<br />
「ベビィマリオが登場するスピンオフシリーズ<br />
『ヨッシーアイランド』シリーズ』

ヨッシーが赤ちゃん姿のベビィマリオを守りながら冒険を繰り広げる横スクロールアクション。敵の攻撃を受けるとベビィマリオが離れてしまい、急いで助けなければならないというドキドキのシステムが面白い。」

This is Yoshi's bio contained in the same book:

「ヨッシー<br />
『スーパーマリオワールド』で初めて登場。マリオたちの冒険をサポートして、一躍人気キャラクターとなった。『ヨッシーのたまご』、『ヨッシーストーリー』、『ヨッシーアイランド』など、主役作も非常に多い。」

And finally, here's [http://image.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1509/10/l_rmfig906-7.jpg a screenshot of the page where Yoshi's Woolly World is mentioned].--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 13:24, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:You probably don't know. I don't speak Japanese. Just English. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 13:35, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
::Don't worry, I don't either, and I just use online translators plus a bit more in depth approach (e.g. trying to understand the meaning of single words when needed) to translate them. Still, some users know Japanese, so this text can be useful for them.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:29, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Can you give me the best translation then. I don't have that feature. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 14:40, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
::::This is just a preliminary translation, far from being correct:

::::''Spin-off series that introduced Baby Mario''
::::''"Yoshi's Island" series''
::::''Yoshi's adventure in protecting Baby Mario unfolds in side-scrolling action. When hit by enemies Baby Mario will go away, with an interesting system that makes you hurry to help him.''

::::''Yoshi''
::::''He first appeared in [[Super Mario World]]. He supported Mario in his adventure, and suddenly became a popular character. He's the protagonist in many games, such as [[Yoshi (game)|Yoshi's Egg]], [[Yoshi's Story]], [[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island|Yoshi's Island]], etc.''

::::If you want to use the description of the series as a source to guide the creation of this page, I highly recommend to ask a user who actually know Japanese for a proper translation. I might also add a photo of that box if you want to look at it and have it translated fully, but due to copyright concerns, it's better if you are first sure if you really need it, as there is little more added to the text I reported and the list I made.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:07, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
:::::I think I will let someone who understands Japanese figure it out. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:16, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
==Classify Yoshi's Woolly World/Poochy and Yoshi's Woolly World as games in the Yoshi's Island series==
{{TPP}}
Currently, Yoshi's Woolly World and Poochy and Yoshi's Woolly World are considered to be in the Yoshi franchise but not in the Yoshi's Island series on this wiki. I propose they should be classified as being in the Yoshi's Island series. Here are several reasons why:
* They have nearly identical gameplay to games in the Yoshi's Island series, being platformers in which Yoshi eats enemies and turns them into round projectiles that are used to defeat enemies.
* Yoshi's Story is considered to be a member of the Yoshi's Island series despite having differences from other games in the series similar to Yoshi's Woolly World's difference (the lack of Baby Mario, not having Yoshi's Island in the title). Therefore, it's contradictory to count Yoshi's Story but not Yoshi's Woolly World as part of the series.
* Similar to Yoshi's Story's case, Yoshi Topsy-Turvy is considered to be a Yoshi's Island game despite having gameplay ''even less'' similar to the main Yoshi's Island games than Yoshi's Woolly World, and it also doesn't have Baby Mario or Yoshi's Island in the title.
* Nintendo is vague about what games are and aren't in the Yoshi's Island series and hasn't issued a definite word about this subject. As far as I can tell, they consider there to be a Yoshi series with no further separation.
* In the section above, there is alleged evidence that excludes Yoshi's Woolly World from the Yoshi's Island series from. However, nobody properly translated it and the rough translation does not necessarily provide evidence excluding Yoshi's Woolly World. The passage is describing the "Spin-off series that introduced Baby Mario", listing the Yoshi's Island games that Baby Mario is in, not necessarily listing every Yoshi's Island game in existence. If someone translates it better, it may change things, but that has not been done yet. Even if this is done, that will also mean Yoshi's Story is not a part of the series.

There are several reasons why Yoshi's Woolly World should be considered part of the Yoshi's Island series and seemingly few reliable reasons not to. As far as Yoshi Switch goes, it is most likely in the same situation as Yoshi's Woolly World, but I will withhold judgement of that until more information is revealed about the game.  

'''Proposer''': {{User|Luigi 64DD}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 9, 2017, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Luigi 64DD}} Per proposal.

====Oppose====
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} To me, the ''Yoshi's Island'' series '''''<ins>explicitly</ins>''''' refers to games where Kamek attempts to kidnap the Baby Mario Bros., so ''Yoshi's Story'' shouldn't be included as a game there, and neither should ''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy''. It should just be known as side games in the franchise.

====Comments====
According to [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 46#Move Yoshi, Donkey Kong and Wario (series) pages to * (franchise) and retool|this]], Yoshi's Island was to include anything with Yoshi and Baby Mario. Which, [[Yoshi Touch & Go]] has. The only thing I based it on was were it was set, if it didn't have Baby Mario. [[Yoshi's Story]] takes place on Yoshi's Island. Therefore, it must be part of the series. I tried putting Yoshi's Woolly World as part of the series, but I think Reboot said no. I am not sure how I am going to vote. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 15:51, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
:I meant to say Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, which doesn't have Baby Mario. I've edited the proposal to correct the mistake. Whether a game has Baby Mario is an arbitrary thing to base it on. In my opinion, gameplay is far more important then it having Baby Mario, although this does not mean Yoshi Topsy-Turvy should not be a part of the series. {{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 15:57, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
::[[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]] also takes place on Yoshi's Island. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:01, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
:::True, but [[Yoshi's New Island]] takes place on [[Egg Island]], not [[Yoshi's Island (place)|Yoshi's Island]]. Now, it does say that Egg Island is next to Yoshi's Island on the article, but even so, I don't think Yoshi's Woolly World should be excluded just because it doesn't have Yoshi's Island itself.{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 16:11, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
::::Good point. I am not going to vote today, but sometime this week I will. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 16:33, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
'''@ Toadette the Achiever''' What proof is there that the Yoshi's Island series is only games with Kamek and the Baby Mario Bros.? Nintendo hasn't said anything to that effect, and the gameplay of Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Woolly World is nearly identical to the main Yoshi's Island games.<br>{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 21:22, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

For the record, {{media link|SMP Yoshi's Island opt.png|this}} is the part of the ''Super Mario Pia'' ((「スーパーマリオぴあ」, actual name of the memorial book as stated on {{media link|SMP page 98 opt.png|page 98}}) that mentions the Yoshi's Island series, I'll have it translated soon, but there's no room for interpreation here, the box lists four entries and you can easily see which entries are listed even if you don't know Japanese. In case you're legitimately wodnering about the officiality of the book, it was written in collaboration with Nintendo as you can see in {{media link|SMP page 98 opt.png|page 98}}: 「協力」 means ''cooperation, collaboration'' (you can see this on [http://jisho.org/search/%E5%8D%94%E5%8A%9B jisho]), while 「任天堂株式会社」 is Nintendo Co., Ltd.'s name.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:57, 26 June 2017 (EDT)