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<s>DPL</s> {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}

How come the template dosen't link to the Super Mario Sunshine gallery?--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  15:42, 6 March 2011 (EST)

==Spiny==
Can we have a Spiny gallery?{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}
:Spiny don't have that much artworks, so I guess no. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}

== Sprites ==

Can we have have a sprites section on every gallery? {{user:Yoshidude99/sig}}

==Pom Pom==
I added a gallery for Pom Pom if that's not problem. <span style="border: 2px solid cyan; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 2em; -moz-border-radius-topright: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 2em; background-color: darkblue; padding: 5px;"> [[File:Booemblem.png|30px]]<font face="none">[[User:DohIMissed|<span style="font-family:Goo Puff"><font size="3"><big>{{color|Doh|dodgerblue}}</big></font></span>]][[User talk:DohIMissed|<span style="font-family:Goo Puff"><font size="3">{{color|IMissed|cyan}}</font></span>]]</font>[[File:Booemblem.png|30px]]</span>

== Mario's Forms ==

On subjects section of the template, Mini Mario & Metal Mario are put in characters rather characters rather than forms. While I believe this is a mistake for Mini Mario, I'm not to sure about Metal Mario. <br> {{User:The Koopa Bro./sig}} 09:27, 15 February 2017 (EST)
:It is Mini Mario from the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series, not the form. The Metal Mario is the character. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 09:37, 15 February 2017 (EST)
::Oh. I should of checked that first, but I do think it should say Mini Mario (Mario vs. Donkey Kong) or Mini Mario (Toy) to make sure it doesn't cause any more confusion. <br> {{User:The Koopa Bro./sig}} 09:53, 15 February 2017 (EST)

== Why alphabetical? ==

Yes, I've read the section about listing the links. It states, "The lists of links should be grouped in a way that makes finding entries simple; generally this means alphabetical order should be used". I want to put emphasis on the word "generally." In many cases, alphabetical order is typical strategy to use, but it doesn't always have to be used. For example when listing a series of games in alphabetical order instead of chronological. I understand this template is for Galleries, but wouldn't it be better if it were in chronological order just like the template for a game's series? Imagine the Mario games template and the Galleries template were side-by-side to each other. If I wanted to find ''Super Mario Bros.'', I would look over at the ''Super Mario'' series section and see that it's the first thing there. Keeping this in mind, I now want to look at the ''Super Mario Bros.'' gallery, so I look on over to the ''Super Mario'' section of the Galleries template, assuming to find that the link would be the first one there, only to find that ''New Super Mario Bros.'' has taken its spot.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that it would be better if the Gallery template reflected the chronological order of all the series' games since it would "make finding entires simple" instead of having one alphabetical and one chronological? [[User:AceFedora|AceFedora]] ([[User talk:AceFedora|talk]]) 03:01, 14 February 2019 (EST)
:That is exactly the case, in my opinion. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:39, 14 February 2019 (EST)

== Doki Doki Panic ==

Since when was Doki Doki Panic a Mario game? {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}} 09:57, May 4, 2020 (EDT)

== Missing entries ==

The following pages are not linked to in this template:
* [[Gallery:Castle]]
* [[Gallery:Mario's Early Years! Preschool Fun]]
* [[Gallery:Mario's Super Picross]]
* [[Gallery:Mario's Tennis]]
* [[Gallery:Mario forms]]
* [[Gallery:Mobile Golf]]
* [[Gallery:StreetPass Mii Plaza]]
* [[Gallery:Super Mario Bros. Special]]
--[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 09:19, December 23, 2021 (EST)

:Then you can add them to the template. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:30, December 24, 2021 (EST)

== Categorising Subjects by the Franchise of Origin - The Rationale? ==

I don't take the credit for being the first one to notice it, but I noticed that recently, Galleries -> Subjects is categorised by the franchise of origin. For example, Baby Peach is part of the Mario & Luigi series while Baby Daisy is categorised under the Mario Kart series. May I know what is the rationale behind categorising the characters in this way? I can't claim to know the best practices but it does make it seem like the list will attract debates, like Toad not being in "Main", or the like. The crossover stuff being its category is not a bad idea, but doing this seems excessive and I guess complicated. Is there a proposal regarding this change that I am missing? [[User:Winstein|Winstein]] ([[User talk:Winstein|talk]]) 12:37, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
:This organization invites "importance" discussions (such as with Toad being brought up here), makes it more difficult to navigate the pages and assumes readers have extensive knowledge of the series to know where to look (Baby Peach for instance, isn't grouped with the other babies but is put under Partners in Time; not everyone knows immediately she made her debut in that game). We don't split the items and objects by this, and they're much easier to search for. I would revert it to simple alphabetical even though it can be unwieldy at points. {{User:Mario/sig}} 12:49, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
::I think it has to do with the sheer amount of galleries that now exist and the previous "by subject type" getting bloated, but I concur that the current manner for grouping non-game galleries is so confusing it causes more harm than good. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:29, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
:Yeah, for the purpose of finding a specific gallery this method isn't ideal, but I'm not sure what a better alternative would be. Putting everything in one big alphabetical list was so hard to read that I do think there should be ''some'' way to split them into easier-to-manage subgroups, but sorting by origin only works if the reader is already familiar with the origin of the subject in question. I'd be happy to hear any suggestions for alternative methods for organizing subjects. (For the record, the "main" character distinction was decided based on which character galleries are divided into subgalleries.) {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 21:16, May 12, 2024 (EDT)
:::Having thought it over, here are what I consider the main options:
:::1) The current system, sorting by '''franchise/series of origin'''.
::::Pros: Consistent with how the "games" portion of the template is organized, and is a very "natural" way to divide characters and species into meaningful groups. Similar to the method used by [[List of characters by game]].
::::Cons: Navigating the template requires familiarity with the history of the subject whose gallery the reader is trying to find, and many subjects commonly appear outside of their series of origin.
:::2) The previous system, sorting purely '''alphabetically'''.
::::Pros: The most "default" way to sort a list of names, and navigating does not require knowledge of a subject apart from its name. This is the method used by [[List of characters]].
::::Cons: Makes the template itself extremely unwieldy with large blocks of unbroken text, sorting ''purely'' alphabetically means related subjects are only next to each other if their article names happen to start similarly (ie. Baby characters were grouped together, but Kongs and Koopalings were all over the place), and for subjects with multiple names the process of finding where they are on an alphabetical list becomes much harder as the list increases in size (yes, control-F exists, but that's true regardless of which organizational system is used for the template).
:::3) Organizing by '''main/secondary/supporting''' status.
::::Pros: Conceptually this aligns with how a lot of people think about the greater ''Mario'' ensemble, and is consistent with how many navigational templates for games and articles about game series organize their characters.
::::Cons: Whether or not a character is a "main character" depends on the specific game; it would not be easy to group characters into these types of categories in a way that accounts for the types of roles they have across the entire franchise. The current system uses "Main character" for character galleries that have subgalleries, so an "objective" taxonomy of the characters and species in these galleries based purely on how many images of them exist on the wiki ''is'' theoretically possible, but it's also horribly counterintuitive.
:::4) Organizing by '''character type''', such as those found in the subcategories of [[:Category:Characters]].
::::Pros: Groups similar characters together in a way already used by a core navigational feature of the wiki.
::::Cons: These categories are not mutually exclusive, and turning them into a system useful for a navigational template would require significant work.
:::5) Organizing by '''species'''.
::::Pros: Another organizational system that's already in use elsewhere on the wiki. Allows for very detailed hierarchical structures, as can be seen in the subcategories and sub-subcategories of [[:Category:Species]].
::::Cons: There are not enough gallery subpages for a system this complicated to be useful for a navigational template. This would additionally split up species-diverse groups of characters, such as Wario's employees and the Animal Friends.
:::6) Organizing '''mostly alphabetically''', but treating the names as though they're ordered with any "modifier" ''after'' the base name, eg. sorting "Baby Mario" as if "Mario, Baby", or "Koopa Paratroopa" as if "Koopa Troopa, Para". (These would ''not'' be spelled that way in the template itself, just ''sorted'' as though they ''were''.)
::::Pros: Similar to the system that was in use before the template was reorganized, but with just a ''little'' bit more structure.
::::Cons: Much less transparent than the other organizational methods. Even if it makes intuitive sense for navigation, it would be a hassle to expect editors adding new galleries to the template to learn the rules of a complex collation algorithm. It also has almost all of the issues with the alphabetical sorting method itself.
:::I don't think any of these are perfect solutions, but in my opinion organizing by origin is the most "canonical" way to split what otherwise would be a massive wall of text. I apologize for reorganizing it myself without bringing up the idea on the talk page first though. I personally had trouble using the template the way it was organized before, and didn't consider the possibility that other people would have preferred one big alphabetical directory. Sorry for any trouble and confusion this may have caused. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 14:49, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
::I think the tried-and-true alphabetical list is the best since it is the simplest way to look up a character. But may I suggest grouping by alphabets? So like A-F could be a group, G-M could be a group, and so on. It would, in theory, make the list tidier when everything is grouped into smaller chunks.[[User:Winstein|Winstein]] ([[User talk:Winstein|talk]]) 13:42, May 17, 2024 (EDT)