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==Re:Boo Buddy Swarm==
I fukin hate u!! [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 05:59, November 29, 2019 (EST)

==Re:directs==
<s>I just hope no one gets too upset that I skipped Kintobor.</s> Nevermind, my thoughts exactly. Besides, I think it's been confirmed that the franchise operates on multiple universe logic (or at least, I'm aware that [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Archie_Sonic_Super_Special_Issue_10 the] [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Archie_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Issue_101 western] [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Archie_Sonic_X_Issue_40 comic] [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Archie_Sonic_Boom_Issue_8 writers] interpreted it that way), so one can argue that the alternate media characterizations of Eggman are all different characters in a similar vein to Eggman Nega. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:20, December 8, 2019 (EST)
:You may be surprised to know that we were actually pretty close to remerging live-action film content back into the main articles, but then I noticed and presented overlooked information at the eleventh hour that halted [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_44#Remerge_most_Super_Mario_Bros._film_information|that proposal]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:59, December 8, 2019 (EST)
::Good question. I see that "Fungus Unit" is currently [[Super Mario Bros. (film)#References to the games|redlinked]] but they're apparently separate from the film's Snifits. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:37, December 9, 2019 (EST)
:::Right, the same sentence mentions both the garbagemen and Fungus Unit being based on Snifits and Shy Guys, but I only seem to recall one of them leaving an impression. The [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/rah/mariomovie/1/book.htm novelization] apparently does call the former Snifits. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 01:45, December 9, 2019 (EST)
::::The way I view it is that "Sniff-it" comes from a leaked, in-progress work, whereas "Snifit" comes from a released, finished product, so priority would technically go to the latter if it has its own article. For the police force / Fungus Unit, I'd have to rewatch the movie to tell you. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:06, December 9, 2019 (EST)

== Wanna be friends? ==

I think we could be friends. [[User:FireyYoshi|FireyYoshi]] ([[User talk:FireyYoshi|talk]]) 18:46, December 9, 2019 (EST)FireyYoshi
:Well that's rather sudden...I see no reason not to, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:07, December 9, 2019 (EST)
::Do you have a userbox? [[User:FireyYoshi|FireyYoshi]] ([[User talk:FireyYoshi|talk]]) 19:43, December 9, 2019 (EST)FireyYoshi
:::No, sorry XD [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:48, December 9, 2019 (EST)

== Re:Kyodai ==

Well, basically all the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' revision world names are direct translations of the manual names (with the exception of Water Land), and it uses Giant Land there. I say leave it be for accuracy's sake since ''dai'' and ''deka'' are much closer than ''kyodai''. Not sure if ''biggu'' was always reserved for ''Yoshi'' bosses since there are exceptions like Big Lantern Ghost, but given ''Big Heihō'' was seemingly renamed ''Mega Heihō'', that's probably the case now. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:10, December 10, 2019 (EST)
:I imagine the Blarggs just have seniority from before ''Yoshi's Island'' continued as a series, but we already do note the possible Big Cheep Cheep connection in the Boss Bass page (though keep in mind, Nintendo of Japan wasn't the only developer of ''NES Remix 2'', which could explain why the internal filenames are a little all over the place). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:06, December 10, 2019 (EST)
::At this point, I'm just crossing my fingers for a ''Super Mario Maker 2'' update to hopefully settle things in the near future. I do think that the Big Chain Chomp from ''Super Princess Peach'' is a Chomp Shark, if only for the very simple reason that its order in the game glossary suggests a returning enemy instead of a new one (i.e. it's not used to segue into Walruss and Starfish). Here's one way to look at it if it makes a merge easier: since we're apparently intent on keeping Chain Chomp and Chomp split, we can just take the ''big'' Chomp Shark as a large version of the unchained Chomp, while the ''deka'' Chain Chomp is a large version of Chain Chomp. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:11, December 11, 2019 (EST)

== Re:Model aboutfile box ==

I understand. From now on, I'll try to credit the original uploader of each model render. --[[User:MarioKartDoubleDash|MarioKartDoubleDash]] ([[User talk:MarioKartDoubleDash|talk]]) 22:18, December 10, 2019 (EST)

== Re:Screenshots ==

I thought it was fine putting images of ROMhacks because it has the respective enemy in the image. The image of the big goomba has a big goomba, just like the hefty goomba and the goomba one, so I thought it was all fine, but I guess I was wrong. Thanks for the advice, but I still don't know why it is forbidden. --[[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 14:59, December 15, 2019 (EST)
: By the way, can I put images of the Enemy Course? That's vanilla NSMBW. --[[User:Rodmjorgeh|Rodmjorgeh]] ([[User talk:Rodmjorgeh|talk]]) 15:04, December 15, 2019 (EST)

== Re:"Fan-made" ==

I was referring to the fact that it said "official artwork" as if the wiki ever uses unofficial artwork. People can already tell that it's official, otherwise it wouldn't be on the wiki. Kind of like the "official profiles" description. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 16:27, December 25, 2019 (EST)

== Re:Crows, flames, and piscatory punks ==

Fire and Kuro have more similarities since they were both identified as Fireball and Nitpicker, respectively, with the exception of Japanese Game Boy ''Donkey Kong'' material which gave those subtypes their own names. They're not like the color variants of barrels or Snapjaws because they've always had distinct designs. I think that, whether Fireball (''Donkey Kong'') becomes an article separate from Fire or not, Kuro should have the same treatment - I don't believe it should be left alone since it seems fairly obvious that Kuro is supposed to be the same raven-like version of the enemy. If it remains split, I'd say let's just use the unique current name via priority exception, with the exception of ''Donkey Kong Jr.''-specific content. If it merges, then I think we should reconsider our stance on Spark - I know we've already done that, but if Fire and Kuro are merged with Fireball and Nitpicker, then it stands to reason that '''all''' of the enemies and elements from the arcade games reappeared in remixed form in the Game Boy game, which should include Spark (though Spark originally had two different designs as well, so I wonder if "Globe" should also be considered for a split). Piscatory Pete is a separate issue I think, but as I say, I believe resolving it would be best done with another proposal; it's just odd that Piscatory Pete has a separate entry from the Cheep Cheep in every guide it appears in, so the situation could be more akin to Boo and Big Boo being labeled with parenthesis identifiers. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:29, December 29, 2019 (EST)
:Spark's one of the few ''Mario'' enemies not to receive their own figure in the ''Link's Awakening'' remake, but neither do Podoboos and Thwomps. It's probably supposed to be the ''Mario'' enemy given the game's ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' references. Though for what it's worth, ''Zelda Encyclopedia'' doesn't call it a guest character from the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, unlike the other ''Mario'' species. At least, going by the English version. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:22, December 30, 2019 (EST)

==DKP==
[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Diddy_Kong_Pilot_(2001)&diff=prev&oldid=2858161 Which source did you use for this info?] Also, speculation should not be done, unless there is concrete evidence on Cranky replacing Redneck. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:00, January 28, 2020 (EST)
:I literally played the leaked ROM dump available on TCRF. I didn't say he "replaced" him, it's just that, considering both the debug and character select screen lead to two Crankys, one of which is on the world select represented by garbled data, that's a fairly solid conclusion. ''Most likely'', it defaults to Cranky to avoid a runtime error caused from a lack of Crappy Kong's data. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:19, January 28, 2020 (EST)

== Bad Hair Day ==

While I agree with you that it doesn't really need a reference to show that the texture was simply removed, your claim of "I think I'm established here enough" isn't really a valid reason for putting something back. Even admins make mistaken edits sometimes, doesn't matter your reputation. Not saying you aren't a good editor and don't have experience with models (I know you do, I see you on Resource sometimes), that's not really something you should add to summaries. It really doesn't mean anything. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:49, January 28, 2020 (EST)
:I didn't want it to come off as delayed edit warring is all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:16, January 28, 2020 (EST)

==Something fishy (and a favor)==
Remember how Japanese Wikipedia can be overly stringent when it comes to recognizing name changes, like with having multiple entries for a big enemy? I found that the Wikipedia page for [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%97%E3%82%AF%E3%83%97%E3%82%AF#%E6%B4%BE%E7%94%9F%E7%A8%AE Pukupuku] is a notable outlier in this regard as it incudes a mention of red and blue varieties from ''Yoshi's Story'' under "巨大プクプク(Boss Bass)" instead of giving them separate entries like you might expect. I wonder if this is worth pursuing further? I have the Shogakukan and TJ Mook guides (which I'm still not sure is official) and I don't notice any explicit reference to the Blurps as 「巨大プクプク」 but maybe there is something else out there that does directly refer to them as such. That aside, there's something I want to ask of you: can you take care of my proposal outcomes for me? I'd normally do it myself, but my computer recently failed on me and I won't be able to repair or replace it right away (which is too bad since I also wanted to write up a Marin article for Triforce Wiki next week but I don't think I'll have it up on time). Resorting to mobile editing is too inconvenient for me with all these changes. If you'd rather not, that's fine, I don't mean to be thrusting it upon you and I'm sure it'd be okay if they sat on the list of unimplemented proposals for a little while. If you do, you should be able to throw in the bird toy split in there without problems since there was no opposition and it was just short of one official vote (''Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis'' object graphics filename is <tt>data/data/anims/DK2_bird_anim.bin</tt> so it can be named "Bird (toy)"). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:45, February 5, 2020 (EST)
:I'm a tad busy with school, but I'll see what I can do. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:08, February 5, 2020 (EST)
::I may be able to get around to it this weekend, so no worries, but I do have questions about the proposed titles: why exactly should Fire have an identifier when it's the only subject with that name, and now that I think of it, should Kuro instead have been "Bird (Nitpicker)" or something to that effect considering that they're called "Birds" in [[Nitpicker#Donkey Kong Jr.|at least one manual]]? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:58, March 5, 2020 (EST)
:::Because "Fire" is still a valid old name for the Fireball, and is such a generic term one could be searching for projectile fireballs or Bowser's fire attack or even the Game & Watch game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:13, March 5, 2020 (EST)
::::I suppose, but just a minor nitpick - if the "75 m" stage in ''Smash'' is any indication, "100m" from the Game Boy game should probably be "100 m" from the arcade game. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:25, March 5, 2020 (EST)

== RE:Autograph ==

I already [[User talk:TheFlameChomp#Autograph|discussed this with TheFlameChomp]], and he said to keep the Autographs from ''Paper Mario'' in one article while splitting off the rest. If you want to create a proposal on the matter, that's fine with me, but I won't be likely to support it; you may disagree with the changes, but I have yet to see another user who agrees with your stance. Also, I don't think [[Super Mushroom]] is a strong-enough comparison to use here, given that it's a case of consumable items vs. key items. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:41, February 9, 2020 (EST)
:Sorry paisano but I'm with Doc. You need to seriously [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZ33w3B8Hw relax] on the splitting. Stuff like the orbs or card keys did not need to be split ''at all''. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 16:02, February 9, 2020 (EST)
::@Trig: Were you actually reading Doc's arguments? They were specifically mystified over my splitting of Autograph, and haven't brought up other concerns (yet).
::@Doc: I mean, I'm fine with switching to creating proposals for the time being, but keep in mind that [[Talk:Elevator Key#Split the Elevator Keys|this proposal alone]] is the precedent for said splits, and so you will very likely need to create proposals to override my changes. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 23:30, February 9, 2020 (EST)
:::Again, TheFlameChomp, an admin, approved of my changes to the page. I don't really have anything else to say, so at this point a counterproposal is the only way to go. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 09:49, February 10, 2020 (EST)

==RE:Tap-Tap guy==
Was doing it as you messaged me. Anyways, the reason why I talked to the ip on their talk page first was because when I added my comment they only made a small amount of edits, and due to them only doing minor acts of vandalism (one of which looking like a possible new user mistake) I decided that blocking them so early wasn't needed. Then they ignored my message and continued to vandalize, thus warranting the block. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 16:22, February 20, 2020 (EST)
:Still, thanks for the advice and undoing his latter edits. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 16:23, February 20, 2020 (EST)

==Re:bigness==
I see where you're coming from, but I think it's overall much safer to consider them big variants for sure when they have smaller versions to compare them in the same game (or when they're directly named as such, like Mega Dry Bones appearing without regular-sized Dry Bones in ''Mario Party: Star Rush''), especially considering that size has always been kind of relative ([[Talk:Big Goomba#Mario Kart 7|recall Goomba]]). On a related note, I realize after the fact that it wasn't smart to include Mega Guy in the Big Lantern Ghost proposal, since I overlooked the fact that big Shy Guys [[Mario Tennis Aces|appear]] [[Mario Kart Tour|elsewhere]] and now they don't have a solid, single article to cover all of them in one place. I only noticed this after checking out the Black Shy Guy article. The lesson I suppose is not to include proposal options that you may regret later, so I plan on making a counterproposal at some point. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:58, March 5, 2020 (EST)

==Pushback?==
I think I warned before that this might happen someday, but I'm noticing some general pushback as of late to taking other languages into account in proposals. I don't believe there's too much cause for alarm just yet, but as someone who remembers what this wiki looked like in the mid-2000's, I seriously don't think many of these newer users know what they're actually asking for when they repeat opinionated nonarguments and empty rhetoric like "This is an English wiki", "I don't want to hear anything about the Japanese name", "Your proposals are going too far", "These merges make me wanna do the splits" etc., nevermind that such changes in this wiki have always individually had the original language of the main developers in mind, as they tend to have more control over their intentions, and so the tables are usually reversed on the occasion that products come from English or American creators. What's a good way to remind people that excluding the intent of foreign developers in favor of a localized dichotomy is counterproductive? I'm almost considering compiling a list of inconsistent translations over the years (e.g. Podoboo/Lava Bubble/Sparky/Spark Spook, Micro Goomba/Goombette/Mini Goomba, Boo/Big Boo, among a veritable ocean of other examples) to demonstrate the sheer ridiculousness of that direction, but since such a thing would be a rather long and thankless project, I'd rather make something like that if the situation only actively goes down a really bad rabbit hole. It's something that at least has my attention. Thoughts? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:35, March 5, 2020 (EST)
:I always go with Cheep Cheep/Cheep-Cheep/Cheepcheep/Flopsy Fish/Goby/Bub/Bubba/Blurp, myself. I discovered this wiki myself around early 2009, so I remember a lot of those oddities. The fish thing is ''still'' not completely sorted out from that time period. And of course, the ever-popular Goomba/Galoomba thing. There was also the time SML Piranha Plant was split from other Piranha Plant. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:16, March 5, 2020 (EST)

::may it be noted that i don't like when people talk about me behind my back, as it's quite clear that this was referring to me, trig, and waluigi time. it even quoted us. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 23:32, March 5, 2020 (EST)
:::"Behind your back?" This is public. Hence how you found it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]])
::::I'm still somewhat embarrassed that some of the Boss Bass / Bubba / Cheep Chomp debacle directly ended up in ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia''... Also, when one spends valuable time addressing a topic at an individual, case-by-case basis, only for it to be dismissed with more (paraphrased) generalizations, you can understand how it may be a little upsetting. Better to vent than to invoke [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Rules|#5]]. Besides, I'm not a fan of how such talks happen on Discord. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:22, March 6, 2020 (EST)
:::::OK, I seem to have hit a breakthrough on this. Some people seem to think that [[Mariowiki:Naming]]'s priority rules apply to splitting and merging when (as the maintenance article clearly states) it is only intended for finding the right article title. Not gonna say any names, but that's the gist. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:51, March 7, 2020 (EST)

==Re: London to Stonehenge==
It isn't just Sonic who was getting there though- Tails, Mario, Luigi, Toad and Omega were with him, and I doubt that they all would have been able to get there as fast too. It's just something in the mode that I thought was particularly weird, it's the only place outside of London that they visit but it's not very close to London. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 03:37, March 8, 2020 (EDT)

== Bubble Pop ==

Have you played ''Yoshi's Story''? The [[Bubble Pop]] page says the player can pop one if they touch it six times, but when I tried to pop a Bubble Pop without using any eggs, it took more than six touches to pop it. I'd like to correct that content, but I don't know exactly how many times a Bubble Pop needs to be touched to pop it. Can you please help me? [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 16:18, March 12, 2020 (EDT)
:OK, I just tried, and it's actually more like 25 times. It might vary, actually. I may have lost a count or too due to a Fuzzy Wiggler getting in the way. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:23, March 12, 2020 (EDT)
::OK, yeah, I think it varies, I've so far also gotten as low as seemingly 15 and as high as 30. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:29, March 12, 2020 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the info. I corrected the content. [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 16:58, March 12, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:About Pink Fuzzy...==
Fair question. We have no way of knowing what the developers of the original ''Paper Mario'' designated Pokey Mummy (or Jungle Fuzzy) without looking at source code, but I'll say that Poison Pokey is known as <tt>c_sanbo_m</tt> in ''The Thousand-Year Door'' and <tt>e_sanbo_m</tt> in ''Super Paper Mario''. While this '''could''' mean Pokey Mummy, <tt>m</tt> could '''also''' stand for ''midori'', the Japanese word for green. Green enemies/characters are inconsistently labeled <tt>m</tt> or <tt>g</tt>, and color shorthand is common throughout. I personally don't think it stands for Pokey Mummy since as I mentioned in the proposal, the developers seemed intent on possibly repurposing Gold Fuzzy as a "Yellow Fuzzy" since they renamed those files, and Poison Pokey's filenames were still kept as late as ''Super Paper Mario''. Poison Pokey also has a different shade, looking more greenish than the bluish Pokey Mummy. So similar entities, but different situation I'd say: Poison Pokey doesn't have the mummified gimmick, which isn't a decision based on any gameplay change or the enemy's interpretation overall (Pink Fuzzy, without FP or the Fuzzies' former absorption, can't be called "Flower" anymore). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:50, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
:Yep, in ''The Thousand-Year Door'', "Killer Packun" (the one with the game identifier) is <tt>c_pakflwr</tt> while Frost Piranha is <tt>c_pakflwr_a</tt>, Putrid Piranha is <tt>c_pakflwr_p</tt> and Pale Piranha is <tt>c_pakflwr_t</tt>; in ''Super Paper Mario'', regular Piranha Plant is <tt>e_pakflwr</tt>, Frost Piranha is <tt>e_pakflwr_i</tt>, and Poison Piranha is <tt>e_pakflwr_p</tt>. So it does seem like the English version is actually closer to the developers' designation (it may have been a relatively late decision to make the Boggly Woods enemies the monochrome versions, explaining why the stronger and weaker versions of Piranha Plant and [Moon] Cleft were named around), except the ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' guidance still mentions Killer Packun and not Pale Piranha (though that may have been a consequence of probable online borrowing). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:17, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
::Wizzerd is another case where the English localization got it mostly right: base Wizzerd is <tt>c_maho</tt>, Dark Wizzerd is <tt>c_maho_b</tt>, and Elite Wizzerd is <tt>c_maho_w</tt>. ''The Thousand-Year Door''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s boss and Bowser Bloopers seem to share some of the same resources, just rescaled in-game (it's <tt>c_geso_kn</tt> for the normal design, but <tt>c_gesso</tt>, <tt>c_gesso2</tt>, <tt>c_gesso3</tt>, <tt>c_gesso4</tt> for boss-specific assets). On that note, I notice that the Big Blooper from ''Super Paper Mario'' apparently reuses the same eye textures as the boss from the previous game, just upscaled. Bloopers in ''Super Paper Mario'' are also strange now that I take another look - <tt>e_big_gesso</tt> and <tt>e_geso</tt> refer to the boss and tentacles, but the enemy seems to be <tt>TEST_gesso-</tt> and - something else that doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere - there are graphics for a small/Baby Blooper under <tt>TEST_s_gesso-</tt> (looks based on the version from the original ''Paper Mario'' but different shading). Were there any Blooper Babies in ''Super Paper Mario''? If not, I'll upload it for the pre-release and unused content article since the texture is simple enough (a lot of the others I've found are in pieces and need to be assembled in-engine, and I'm not sure of a good way at the moment to represent that without kind of guessing how they're meant to fit together in-game). Judging from this, the Blooper enemy was probably used to debug the underwater sections, but the developers decided to keep it around. Anyway, in light of all this, I'm pondering if the white Cleft should be split from the main Cleft article, since it's likely in the same boat as the Piranha Plant. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:15, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::It would have been rather easy to leave things alone if the writer only replaced "Killer Packun" with "Pale Piranha", but now the current splits seem too selective. I do think that the developers swapped the colors around for aesthetic reasons, though I wonder why they didn't just consider the usual-colored versions of Piranha Plant and Cleft to be the "main" versions when the game also introduced Dull Bones (<tt>c_karon_g</tt>/<tt>e_karon_g</tt>), which are weaker than Dry Bones. It would probably be a good idea to have a Frost/Ice Piranha proposal while we're at it. By the way, do Bob-ombs and Bandits appear in any scenes in ''Super Paper Mario''? They have assets in it, and there's probably more. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:09, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
::::Yes, Ruff Puff is another example where the filenames line up with the final, though another thing that I noticed is that Ruff Puff variants have leftovers in ''Super Paper Mario'' as well. What's odd about this one is that it seems that the textures for Ice Puff (<tt>c_kmoon_b-</tt>), Poison Puff (<tt>c_kmoon_g-</tt>), and Dark Puff (<tt>c_kmoon_wb-</tt>) were all put in one place (<tt>e_kmoon_b-</tt>, Ice Puff?), while <tt>e_kmoon_g</tt> (Poison Puff?) and <tt>e_kmoon_w</tt> (Dark Puff?) have model data but no similarly-named textures (in both games, texture filenames are denoted by hyphens). Not sure what exactly was going on there. Side note, I'm amused that the developers used "<tt>c_kinopiko</tt>" and the like to refer to generic female Toad NPCs, though I can't seem to find Toadette at the moment because of it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:50, March 13, 2020 (EDT)
:::::I'll have to remember to check if the filename for Fresh Juice can be of any help later, I might not have copied it for myself. [[tcrf:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door/Early Graphics#Glitzville|TCRF]] has obscure Glitzville graphics where it's plainly written as "FRESH JUICE" though (but I don't recall it being sold in that location, so maybe it's a development remnant...or a joke about false advertising). If you were curious since the other monochrome enemies were brought up, Pider (<tt>c_paid</tt>) is the base of Arantula (<tt>c_paid_b</tt>). However, the Cleft situation is stranger than initially thought: as seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmnG1YznKq0&t=6m13s here], Moon Cleft is referred to as an ordinary Cleft in the Japanese version of ''Super Paper Mario''. What's more, according to Catch Card order, Bald Cleft is considered the basic version of [Moon] Cleft, which is also true in ''The Thousand-Year Door''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qven9xP_i_0&t=11m37s Tattle Log]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:48, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

I guess it wouldn't be too surprising to see something like this slip through the cracks since ''Super Paper Mario'' was the first game in the ''Paper Mario'' series to beat the Japanese version to release (the ''Mario & Luigi'' series did beforehand, but those games' North American releases are technically the earlier revisions and were likely localized from an early version of the Japanese text as well, whereas I think ''Super Paper Mario'' was the first text-heavy RPG to have extremely close initial builds across regions). Regarding proposal, I'd toss in another option as well: split both Moon Clefts, or (perhaps more applicable) split ''The Thousand-Year Door'' Cleft and Moon Cleft while merging original Cleft with ''Super Paper Mario'' Moon Cleft. This would basically be similar rationale to having both Pale Piranha and "Killer Packun" split and neither being merged to the main Piranha Plant article. Not my first choice, but it'd be better than inaction. <s>I'd also maybe consider limiting options that basically do the same thing but change which article title to go with (i.e. the first and second proposed options) - we've had times in the past where such proposal options prove to be a bit too overwhelming, so I'd just go with recent naming policy in all cases in the interest of keeping things more simple and straightforward, though that discussion can possibly follow afterwards if the ''Paper Mario'' / ''Super Paper Mario'' merge option is chosen.</s> [Addendum: Okay, there is a line in ''Super Paper Mario'' that refers to Flint Cragley having starred in "''Dark Screams! Into Maw of Howling Cleft Colony of Terror!''", and it must be referring to the Moon Clefts that appear in the same chapter so maybe it's not so simple to say that Clefts are called Moon Clefts now.] Anyway, Niiue mentioned looking into the Clefts in other languages, which may influence the proposal's result, so it may be best to have that information ready first; otherwise, we may have a repeat of Flower/Pink Fuzzy, where not all details were known before ending. On a semi-related note, do you have anything to add to [[Talk:List of species#Tattle Log / Catch Card order in the Paper Mario series|this discussion]] (which, in retrospect, I may be overthinking)? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:06, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
:That's also my impression. I was wondering why the final English version seemed confused, with it referring to them as the "famous Piranha Plants" one second and then a "colorless subspecies" the next (though in all fairness, "subspecies" might not have been intended as the same implementation formerly used by the wiki). The fact that ''every'' localization considers it a Piranha Plant that adapted to its environment, even the English version were it not for the name, reminds me a lot of the Para-Beetle/Parabuzzy situation. It aligns with Tattle Log order as well. I think that's enough information to rethink the [[Talk:Piranha Plant#Split Pale Piranha from Piranha Plant|split]] independent of the Moon Cleft situation. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:35, March 18, 2020 (EDT)

==Black Shell...?==
I guess I could agree with the ''Super Mario World'' Trivia, even though black colors are very inconsistent in the Mario games especially with the ''[[Black Coin]]s'' since they tend of to get different tints of shade and colors. But the ''Paper Mario'' Black Shell for the Koopa Bro, I have to disagree with, the Mario shells have never had a very consistent behavior. Gold Shells explode in ''Mario kart Arcade GP DX'' but none of the other games do that, Red Shells don't even on players in the main games other than ''Super Mario Galaxy'', Blue Shells either freeze you in the ''Mario Strikers'' series, give you the shell form in ''New Super Mario Bros'' and ''Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story'' and it's 3DS remake, etc. It's still a Black Shell it doesn't have the same exact item to be mentioned on the article, it's like making a Red Shell (Mario Kart series) have a separate article just because it only homes while the other games don't. --[[User:Gamermakerguy|Gamermakerguy]] ([[User talk:Gamermakerguy|talk]]) 22:53, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

:That's not comparable because it's not ''necessarily'' about what effect they have in the games - the thing with the black shell is that you're mistakenly conflating "black shells as an item" and "character that happens to wear a black-colored shell which isn't much different from your average shell otherwise". --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 23:54, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

== RE: Proposal-less PM splits ==

Yes it should, thanks. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 08:31, March 14, 2020 (EDT)

== Bristle ==

I dunno about the thing you removed, considering "Bristle" is [https://youtu.be/r7xtczwM4d8?t=343 actually capitalized ingame], which wouldn't make sense for the actual word. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:12, March 18, 2020 (EDT)
:Still seems incidental. After all, we removed "vim and vigor" being a vim reference, which would make more sense as an important plot element from the game's predecessor than a totally random reference to an exceedingly rare enemy from a single game of another subseries released ~5 years prior. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:22, March 18, 2020 (EDT)
::Imo, it's not too unlikely they'd do a somewhat obscure callback. Just look at some of the [[List of Sammer Guys|Sammer Guys' names]], for instance. Also, Partners in Time only came out a year after TTYD... {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:34, March 18, 2020 (EDT)
:::Yeah, but again, direct predecessor, and SPM was already referencing stuff all over the franchise. BiS mostly just referenced its predecessors, with almost all miscellaneous references as part of elaborate enemy attacks. Anyways, if you insist on adding it back, that's fine, I just think that ''at the very least'' it should be explicitly stated it's capitalized. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:47, March 18, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:Mushroom Houses==
It's probably not needed; I'm kind of amazed how consistent the terms "Toad House" and "White Mushroom House" are in regards to ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', so "[color] Mushroom House" should only refer to nonregular Toad Houses in it and ''Super Mario Advance 4''. Will look at the Cataquack thing later (it seems similar to the Bramble situation, which I think is enough to consider related). Also I'll be adding evidence from the Prima guide soon that may merge Advance Coin with Ace Coin. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:31, March 24, 2020 (EDT)
:The "Mushroom Coin" from ''Super Mario Advance 4'' can be seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bD6_tOZWbo&t=2m58s here]. Not sure if something similar appears in ''Super Mario Advance 2'' - if you mean the pink berry-induced coin object described [[Berry#Super Mario World|here]], I think it was given a name in one of the guides but I'll have to double-check. I thought I added it before somewhere. BradyGames indeed refers to red Cataquacks as Chuhanas on page 6, but as it turns out, it also refers to Plungelos as Chuhanas on page 64. I suppose that's not too surprising since both are also called Red Cataquacks, so there was some confusion between the authors' reference material. The same page, and the following, refers to the Wiggler as "Boss Hana", which also implies a connection. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:24, March 24, 2020 (EDT)

== Salutation and Question ==

Hi Mister, I'm happy to see I'm not the only one that know a lot of things about Birdo and recognize as a important character like Toad and Yoshi can be, as a character that was recognize 3 Times Captain, while no minion was a single time. I'm here to talk about what I should do to be got a official account. If I answer 8 times for the same edit is that count or I need to creates 8 edits like this one to be official or I need to wait some days to be confirmed? Also, in this debate with Mario Comix I saw we can erase message in the edit section, so just to be sure my message is not erase by Mario Comix, I want to give you my message here, so we can refer to it if we want whatever happen.

I got my Final Exam this month, so I won't have really more time to debate. So if somebody answer me, you can reply for me.

Thank you again, we will give to Birdo's File, what it should be.

Here my message :

« I understand BBQ Turtle, but Birdo is playable in 26 games, not 24. The Birdo (species)'s page doesn't take care to list her playable appearance in the "List of appearance by date"'s section cause there's not. So, there is a problem, in one page, we can't count the good numbers of appearance. We can't know she is playable in these 2 games, cause no information refer to her Birdo (species)'s page and even if we go on that page, the informations aren't even listed. On one page, we miss some informations about her to made a complete page and on the other, we don't even list things so we aren't able to list the number of her appearance without read all to be sure how many time she is playable in general and as a specie character. That was said, if the community can't cooperate and make a complete page about a character, because some people got a bad opinion of that character, that site is distorted. We are not supposed to put subjective opinion here. We can object, she is not relevant (1), she is just a minion (2), she is not like Toad and Yoshi (3), she make appearance in stage (4), but all of these reason doesn't work.

She is relevant since 1988 (1987 depending if we count YK:DDP), she is a character/minion like Yoshi can be, but more relevant than Toad. She is more relevant than Toad being playable in Mario Tennis 64 (2000) (which Toad isn't), having is own objet in Mario Kart : Double Dash!! (2003) (Toad object is not unique. Sharing it with Toadette), she is playable in Mario Golf : Toadstool Tour (2003) (which Toad isn't), named Team Captain in Mario Superstar Baseball (2005)(which not a minion is) like  Doc von Schmeltwick mention, she is playable in Mario Hoops 3-on-3 (2006) (which Toad isn't), she is named Team Captain again in Mario Super Sluggers (2008) (which not a minion is again), she is playable in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (2016) (which Toad isn't), she is a Captain again in Mario Sports Superstars (2017) (which not a minion is again), in Super Mario Party (2018) the principle of having 10 Good and 10 Bad Characters made usual character being cuted like Birdo (that's normal, they can't put all the characters), but she was previously full modeled at one point she could be playable too like her full design prove it. She's is more playable than Toad itself, she was named 3 Times Captain considering not a single minion is and actually in Dr. Mario World, she is not place at the assistant role like all these minion, making her a eventual Doctors (Captain) like the rest of the Koopalings are due to be too (we will know in the future, based on the 30 march 2020). She is not consider more as a specie in her early Mario Spin-Off at all, all her latest appearance : Mario Party 9 (2012), Mario Golf : World Tour (2014), Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (2016) in the 3DS Version, Mario Sports Superstars (2017), Mario Tennis Aces (2018) and Mario Kart Tour (2019). The only exception to that is in the Wii Version, back to 2016 in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games. To finish and answer to the fourth reason, Toad appear more in Stages than Birdos.

Like Daisy and Waluigi, Birdo became easily a Icon since Mario Tennis 64 (2000), but more importantly, LGBTQIA+ start identifying this character as the first Trans Character of the Video Games Industry Ever Made. I think we can play a important role by, at least recognize what she did to give her, the visibility the character should got, not more, but not less. People from minority want to identify theirselves to this character and sometimes take facts about that characters, it's not a problem. If she is playable in 26 games and not 24, we just should mention she did it in 26.

If you still got doubt about it BBQ Turttle, I got a solution, why not just add the appropriate facts about it on her page, cause actually, we don't even talk she is represent as a Birdo in Super Mario Strikers and Mario Strikers Charged and we don't even refer to her Birdo (specie)'s page and add these informations in "List of appeareance by date" ***BY MENTION THAN*** she is playable as a Birdos members, not as a singular one. That's it, so the list will be complete AND we will be able to see she doesn't have the same exact appearance than her other games. »
:I'm a transgirl and obsessor of weird cartoon reptiles myself, but...[https://youtu.be/vsYJLko-hjk?t=15 ummm....] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:38, March 31, 2020 (EDT)

What are you saying, Hahaha? Sorry, I'm new here, so I don't have any idea of what kind of jokes you people makes here. I would also like to talk to you about the Birdo's file section.
- Ouimet 06:33, March 31, 2020 (EDT)

:The joke is apparent if you click the link. Also you may have wanted to lead with that last sentence instead of that opening essay. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 07:37, March 31, 2020 (EDT)

Hey Doc, I saw your last conversation on Birdo (species) with Gamermakerguy, specially about the fact Pink Birdos into the Mario Strikers series should be transfert on the Birdo (the singular / general) page too. I already did that conversation with Alex95. You don't have to read all we write about the subject, but if you go at the end of the discussion page, you can start reading Alex95 at 1:02, 31 March, 2020 (EDT) until the end of the conversation. You will see, he recognize we are right to change the Birdo (the singular / general). So you don't have to debate anymore. You or me are authorized to change that details. I will correct it, before this summer, for sure. [[User:Ouimet|Ouimet]] ([[User talk:Ouimet|talk]]) 19:42, 18 April, 2020 (ET)

==Light notice about certain comments==
Certain users have expressed displeasure, and have been pushed back from the wiki, because of how you word your arguments. Not the actual arguments themselves (usually, but if people get annoyed at different opinions that's their fault, given that no one should be a bigot), but your excessive use of italics and bold and how certain (albeit rare) comments almost attack certain users with their wording, like with your comment towards Scrooge on the Super Soda talk page. While you should be allowed to express your opinions and explain them, you just need to calm down a bit when explaining these opinions, to make sure no one feels insulted. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 20:21, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
:I'm sorry, but when I've already explained a concept repeatedly and someone uses the things I literally just debunked as their argument, then I myself feel absolutely personally attacked, so apologies if I naturally respond in a similar (albeit indeed less insulting on a personal level) manner. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:27, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
::While feeling that's fine, you shouldn't return that feeling. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 20:30, April 5, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:Beetle Goom==
I forgot about that, so I'll rewrite accordingly. Punch pretty much has the same attack pattern as Pirate Goom if I recall correctly, so it can probably replace Togemaru in Pirate Goom's infobox. By the way, some sources seem to describe these enemies a little off. I can see why Albatross is called a "gull" and Flame is called a "dragon" (sprite was always too small for me to make out any strong details), but I always thought of Togemaru as some sort of sea creature given how they seemed to be more prevalent in chapters featuring water, though in lieu of anything else, I guess the Beetles category is better than nothing. For ''Wario Land 3'', the Muddee boss is called a "beaver" and the conjectural Tadpole enemy is called "fish". Should we recategorize these enemies? Flame and Muddee in particular are currently considered a fox and salamander, respectively, but the latter is unsourced and in a series where "''Kuribō''" are mushrooms instead of chestnuts, names alone might not always be a solid indication. <small><small>BTW: noos gnimoc ofni noitcelloC sseddoG esenapaJ.</small></small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:09, April 5, 2020 (EDT)
:I wish the scan we had for Togemen's name didn't cut off at the description, but I'll scale it back to be safe. Though I should clarify, it's not just the official website that calls the Tadpoles fish, but also Nintendo Power magazine and a Prima Game Boy guide (though in fairness, they both call Doll Boys hammers "hatchets" when they're clearly not, which is something only the website got right). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:48, April 5, 2020 (EDT)

== Underwhere ==

Given the order of progress, yeah, The Underwhere came first. But the naming scheme and theme of it and The Overthere implies to me the levels were made concurrently during development, even with the Japanese names (nothing to prove that, though). I really doubt the word "underwear" was on the localizers' minds. And what schoolground joke is "why are you under there?" 

<s>They are obviously ''Kid Icarus'' references.</s> {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:31, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
:I mean, I've certainly joked about the way the name sounds myself. I was in middle school when ''Super Paper Mario'' came out, and I don't really pay attention to playground jokes.
:But even so, that doesn't really relate to the trivia. Saying it's a play on "underwear" sounds too definitive and a joking statement at best. If it was actually intentional by the dev team, either the way the name sounds or it being a pun on the playground joke, that's something I'd like to see a source on. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:01, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
::Well, it's already obvious that the name sounds like "underwear", and the Underworld connection is already stated in the opening paragraph. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:27, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
:::Adding "may" would sound like speculation, it either is or it isn't. The localizers probably had a laugh when they came up with the name, but that doesn't mean the name is a pun on "underwear". In what way is it a pun when there's absolutely nothing about undergarments in the level? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:35, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:Brier and Marucchi==
To be fair, I think Urchin may have just been a placeholder graphic; Urchins are supposed to be in or near water, and like the Boo enemies, there doesn't seem to be a trace of them in the final filenames. That said, it would make sense to at least consider Brier "related" to its inspiration/predecessor. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:07, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

==Of Monkeys and Donkeys==
As you are aware, the monkey from ''Yoshi's Island'' has [[List of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island pre-release and unused content#Unused graphics|unused graphics]] for a larger, Donkey Kong-themed version (my personal speculation was that it was intended to be the World 3 fort boss before it was replaced with Prince Froggy). What you may not know is that a ''Super Mario 64'' [[tcrf:Super Mario 64 (Nintendo 64)/Debug Content#Level Select|debug menu]] refers to Tall Tall Mountain as <tt>DONKEY % SLID2</tt> (the stage with a "monkey" and a second in-course "slide"). Perhaps the Grinder/Ukiki connection stretches further back than initially thought, or was even present all along? They seem loosely based on Donkey Kong at least, long before Uckykong. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:36, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
:There is that [http://shmuplations.com/mario64/ interview] where Takashi Tezuka refers to "monkeys", so I am curious if the original text called them [[Ukiki#Names in other languages|''Osaru-san'']] or [http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gbc/a/gw3sec.htm ''Osaru''] instead of ''saru''. Maybe shmuplations can clarify. Also, if I'm correct that ''Super Mario 64 DS'' converted and heavily edited files directly from the original game (as what seems to be the case with ''[[tcrf:The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D#Remnants of Early Development|Ocarina of Time 3D]]'' years later, running off a modified game engine), then it ''might'' be notable that the two Ukikis are called <tt>MONKEY_THIEF</tt> and <tt>MONKEY_STAR</tt> - monkey being either just generic or ''potentially'' a simplified rendition of Grinder's Japanese name. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:21, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

== Super Mario RPG ==

Thanks for dealing with the gallery pages - those and other role-playing game pages have been needing improvement for a while, and that'll save me/anyone else editing quite a few steps when the time comes to rewrite those. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 17:37, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
:Yeah, the artwork in statboxes has always bothered me. Maybe this will also encourage people to upload more animated sprites for them like with the M&L enemies....anyways, if I saw any absolute garbage content while doing that, I removed it as well. Highlights include being incredibly insistent [[Remo Con]] was a puppet and giving [[Pinwheel (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)|Pinwheel]] a lot more credit than is due. I'd have rewrote a bunch more, but, homework and keyboard and all.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:40, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

I get the feeling the same could be done for a lot of pages related to Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, since I noticed some of the stat tables use official artwork as well, and even some of the boss articles like Grodus have their enemy stat table right up top in place of a character infobox. [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 18:39, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
:Yeah, but the problem with that is a lot of the sprites in those cases are layered in funky non-replicable ways in-game, like Smorg for example. And don't even get me started on Hooktail (though admittedly her siblings do fine with what they have...) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:46, April 16, 2020 (EDT)

== Monty Mole (green) ==

So, the page [[Monty Mole (green)]] is bothering me. I think a more proper name would be "Green Monty Mole" or "Monty Mole (Flower Fields)". I would try to start a discussion on the talk page but that never works on large, busy wikis like this one so I thought I'd ask you. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 21:37, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
:It's fine the way it is. The first one is an absolute no as that looks like attempting to pass that off as an official name, though the second could work. Seems pointless, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:09, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
::Well, now I have to ask how we prioritize descriptors when things have the same name. In my opinion, location is more important than physical characteristics because the latter is obvious upon seeing the image in the infobox, so I think it should be moved to "Monty Mole (Flower Fields)". Additionally, in the event that there are two creatures with the same name that are different in a way besides color, it's difficult for me to imagine a descriptor in parentheses that doesn't sound awkward. For example, if there were two Bob-omb enemies that were the same color, but the more powerful one had shades and was found in Madman Sewers instead of Koridai, would it be more proper to have the title as Bob-omb (shades) or Bob-omb (Madman Sewers)? [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 22:17, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
:::Probably the latter, but palette swap RPG recolors are still a different situation. And of course, if their origin-language names were the same, I'd move to merging outright. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:36, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
::::Cool. Now I ask what you mean about RPG recolors being a different situation? The only RPGs I've played besides Pokemon are the Paper Mario games, so I wouldn't know. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 23:26, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
:::::In RPG Mario games that aren't ''Color Splash'', generally differently colored versions of enemies are treated as a different but related thing. Take Goomba and Gloomba, for example. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:46, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Oh I see what you mean. Cool, well I'll go ahead and move the page. Anyway, how have you been holding up during this pandemic? Feels like Dr. Mario 64's plot came to real life, except we don't have megavitamins. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 23:54, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::You probably ought have made a talk page with more than just me....guess we'll see how it pans out. I'm a shut-in anyways, though it's really disrupted my schooling. I'm not seeing a lot in common there? I mean, I don't see a Mad Scienstein or a Rudy, or even a Hammer-Bot.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:19, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a chat that you're on I could go there. I've been trying to pick up new skills, unfortunately this virus struck when I was trying to acquire a teaching license. Aside from a virus spreading in Dr. Mario 64's story, perhaps there's not too much in common... yet. I'm pretty sure there's an angry robotics engineer out there who wants an easy way to punish <s>Florida spring breakers</s> people who try to spread the virus. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 01:04, April 20, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::Just the talk button over the respective page would do. Type what you want with a {{tem|talk}} and wait, I do it all the time. I've been developing two video games in Unity for two separate classes, and had never used said software or the C# language prior to this semester. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:52, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:SMRPG things==
Those are basically direct translations, though if you are at all familiar with the Japanese show ''{{wp|GameCenter CX}}'' [[Costume Mario|represented]] in ''Super Mario Maker'', you may recognize that ''Kachō'' can also translate as "Chief", but I've simplified it as "Manager" so as to not be confused with the actual Factory Chief. If you have difficulty looking up the katakana, try looking up their hiragana or kanji forms: <span class="explain" title="かかりちょう">係長</span>/<span class="explain" title="かかりちょう">掛長</span>  (''Kakarichō'', Clerk), <span class="explain" title="かちょう">課長</span> (''Kachō'', Manager), <span class="explain" title="ぶちょう">部長</span> (''Buchō'', Director), and <span class="explain" title="こうじょうちょう">工場長</span> (''Kōjōchō'', Factory Chief). The suffix <span class="explain" title="ちょう">長</span> (''chō'', leader) makes it a little more obvious that they are supposed to be ranked from lower to upper corporate management. There are probably others, but the only ''Super Mario RPG'' translation off the top of my head that I'm completely unsure about is [[A Plumber's Lament]], which might be a [https://legendsoflocalization.com/the-pop-culture-obsessed-monsters-in-japanese-super-mario-rpg/ cultural reference] I'm missing. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:45, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
:Your hunch is correct: as seen [http://www.lltvg.com/wiki/Super_Mario_RPG here], those references to Kinklink are ''Wanwan'' in the Japanese version. My guess is that Woolsey auto-replaced some instances of ''Wanwan'' with "Kinklink" when changing Bowser's dialog to specify Kinklink instead of Chomp and there wasn't time to proofread. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:04, April 26, 2020 (EDT)

== RE: Salutation and Question ==

Hey Doc, I saw your last conversation on Birdo (species) with Gamermakerguy, specially about the fact Pink Birdos into the Mario Strikers series should be transfert on the Birdo (the singular / general) page too. I already did that conversation with Alex95. You don't have to read all we write about the subject, but if you go at the end of the discussion page, you can start reading Alex95 at 1:02, 31 March, 2020 (EDT) until the end of the conversation. You will see, he recognize we are right to change the Birdo (the singular / general). So you don't have to debate anymore. You or me are authorized to change that details. I will correct it, before this summer, for sure. [[User:Ouimet|Ouimet]] ([[User talk:Ouimet|talk]]) 19:42, 18 April, 2020 (ET)
:Where is said conversation? Either way, should almost definitely have a proposal first. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:50, April 22, 2020 (EDT)

== RE: Ivysaur ==

I'll admit that the resemblance is definitely there at least for Bulbasaur, I don't really see it as much in Ivysaur and definitely not in Venusaur. Honestly though, Gen 1 had some pretty lousy sprite work across the board so I think it's better to work off of Sugimori's art, which shows that they've changed little since then, with Venusaur not changing at all. Ivysaur is essentially the same, just a bit lower to the ground. Particularly Bulbasaur has a [https://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:001Bulbasaur_RG.png "squashed" design] making it look more froglike, but for what it's worth, the evolutionary tree was designed backwards so Bulbasaur was last. I'm hesitant to consider them frogs because while they're froglike to some degree and that influence was definitely there in development, that doesn't really make them frogs any more than it makes Mr. Mime straight up human. Not to mention that as far as design goes, the whole family is also influenced by cats and reptiles in general. They don't exhibit any characteristics of frogs and no sort of resemblance is ever mentioned officially that I know of, not even in their Japanese name, which instead seems to outright call it some sort of mysterious strange thing, unlike Charmander and Squirtle which do have a reference to being lizard and turtle, respectively. As for being amphibious, nothing (aside from being partially based on frogs obviously) actually suggests that they are.

Apologies for the rant, I just wanted to explain my reasoning and it went a lot longer than I expected. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 17:04, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:''Yoshi's Story'' stuff==
It reads 「4連プロペラヘイホー」 (''4-ren Puropera Heihō''), where the kanji is letting you know that it's a group or set of four (basically "4-in-a-row Propeller Shy Guy"). The term 「4<span class="explain" title="れん">連</span>プロペラヘイホー」 only shows up once more in the guide on page 98 regarding 5-3; it's more generic elsewhere in the guide, namely 「4<span class="explain" title="れん">連</span>ヘイホー」 on page 66 regarding 3-4 and 「4<span class="explain" title="ひき">匹</span>のヘイホー」 on page 62 regarding 3-3 (where ''hiki'' is a simple counter for small animals). In contrast, 「プロペラヘイホー」 is fairly consistent throughout the guide. The impression I get is that Shogakukan added descriptors to differentiate it and then sort of lost track along the way, which I can back up. I mentioned a while back that I have another Japanese guide for ''Yoshi's Story'' - the TAKARAJIMASHA book under the "TJ MOOK" brand, called 「ヨッシーストーリー <span class="explain" title="こうりゃくのていおう">攻略の帝王</span>」 (''Yoshi's Story Kōryaku no Teiō''). Sure enough, both Shy Guys are called 「プロペラヘイホー」 in it, including two identically-named headers on page 10 (and, as an aside, lists 「ゆきだまヘイホー」 for Snow Guy, which is the name later given to it for ''Yoshi's Island DS'' and is just basically called ''Heihō'' in the Shogakukan guide). Thing is, there's a reason I haven't added anything from this guide to the mainspace - I'm not really sure if the book is official. The book credits lists "©1997 Nintendo" and "©1998 TAKARAJIMASHA" in it (it also claims a release date of February 28, 1998), but the back cover has "©1997 N<b>l</b>intendo" on it. In contrast, however, Shueisha's V Jump guide for ''Super Mario RPG'' makes no Nintendo copyright claim, but I'm told that some unlicensed guides apparently got away with giving a simple copyright despite the original company having no involvement with the product, which I assume is a quirk of Japanese law. [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%94%BB%E7%95%A5%E6%9C%AC#%E3%80%8C%E5%85%AC%E5%BC%8F%E3%80%8D%E3%81%A8%E3%80%8C%E9%9D%9E%E5%85%AC%E5%BC%8F%E3%80%8D Japanese Wikipedia] states that authorized guides generally call themselves ''Kōshiki'', which is another mark against this guide. If it is official, it may interest you to know that the phrase 「おおきなプクプク」 shows up on page 86 (though it's 「プクプク」 on page 79), but for now, I'm leaning towards it being unofficial. Side note: while Shogakukan doesn't call attention to Chomp's size (and it's not even mentioned by name in the TJ guide), Nintendo Power guide does, which might be worth noting in the Chomp Shark trivia. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:28, April 30, 2020 (EDT)

== SMM2 Koopaling sprite palettes ==

Do you have some good way to check the Koopalings', specifically Larry and Lemmy's SMB and SMB3 style sprites from SMM2 and maybe Iggy and Ludwig's SMB style sprites? It's just seems to me ever since I saw the original SMB3 sprite sheets and some SMB3 videos that Larry seems to use an unique but '''''very''''' difficult-to-notice green from Lemmy and Bowser. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 14:50, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
:[https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_switch/supermariomaker2/sheet/119096/ Check for yourself?] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:06, May 6, 2020 (EDT)
::Well that sure helped dick and all because I already knew of those sprite sheets. Still, I found out how to check the RGB values from the spots I wanted and got my answers. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 12:02, May 7, 2020 (EDT)
:::? You could easily have opened one in any drawing tool and used the dropper tool to make one the transparency color it, then moved the other to see if the other sprite became transparent or not? Or in more advanced ones, the magic wand tool with a tolerance of 0? I guess as a spriter, I sometimes forget this doesn't go without saying for everyone else. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:40, May 7, 2020 (EDT)
::::That's no excuse when you're often asking for Japanese info from LinkTheLefty who's pretty much the local Japanese (guide) expert. Just seems rather unfair that for all the help you get here, yours for me was basically, "It's this obvious(?)" and expected me to expect that too. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 10:46, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
:::::You only acknowledged videos and the SMB3 sprite sheets in your initial comment. Since a surprising amount of commenters on TSR are having trouble finding them on there, I didn't realize you knew of their presence there already. Either way, that was in the middle of my Final Exams/Projects week, so I was ultra-busy and didn't want to take time I didn't really have to check. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:53, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Well you could have clarified on that as I could have clarified on the sprite sheets. "Check for yourself" isn't exactly the most clear way to communicate either. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 16:47, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Valid. Anyways, what were your findings? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:49, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::Well as I suspected, Larry's sprite in SMB3 indeed uses different green from Lemmy and Bowser. But this isn't faithfully recreated in  SMM2 where his SMB3 style sprite does use the same green as Bowser, Bowser Jr. and Lemmy. As for the SMB style sprites, I mainly needed some kind of technical way to confirm that specific Koopalings like Iggy and Ludwig use the same colors between themselves (which they do) because Larry's SMB3 sprite made me paranoid about there being super subtle differences in color. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 13:16, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

== Okay, hear me out again... ==

So, I was thinking about Flower Fields and Chapter 6, right? ...and I noticed that the theme seems to draw heavy inspiration from 60's counterculture. The colors of the flowers in tandem with the fact that the level is in another dimension seem to reference psychedelic drugs, Lakilester is a very typical 60's high school "bad boy" (think of a greaser from "The Outsiders", a story that also takes place in the 60's), the music (specifically Lakilester's and Huff N. Puff's themes) has a strong 60's vibe, and we all know what the [[Stinky Herb]] is referencing. I should also mention that air pollution (specifically from fossil fuels; the puff-puff machine seems to be burning gas) is a big point of concern in the chapter, and in the 60's was when environmentalism really started to kick off (as a result of counterculture). What do you think? [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 01:15, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
:I can see that, but it's more likely a coincidence than the Floro Sapiens having the vocal mannerisms of flower children. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:59, May 8, 2020 (EDT)

== A Stroll Down Rolling Lane ==

I can totally see where you are coming from when you made [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=A_Stroll_Down_Rolling_Lane&curid=102283&diff=2941188&oldid=2941184 this edit] (and it is something I thought about before I made mine). However, other level articles only tend to list the enemies that are directly involved in the mission. For example, [[Bowser on Ice]], [[Sorbetti's Chilly Reception]], [[Prince Pikante's Peppery Mood]], and [[Octo-Army Icy Rainbow Romp]] do not list [[Gummit]]s or any of their varieties, which I recall being a very similar case. While I personally feel that is the best way to go about it, I am not saying it is wrong to list them, since they can technically be encountered, and I mainly just wanted to explain my reasoning. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 14:59, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
:Thought about that too (though they aren't in the Octo-Army one). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:03, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
::My bad, I forgot that Octo-Army was a Prankster Comet, though the other ones are similar. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 15:16, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:"Never float in midair"==
Yeah, but meaning it's not a natural element of the world, whereas you have to trigger them to appear via switch. And once again, exactly the same as the original SM64 block. But I should've typed "hardly" instead of "never". [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:45, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
:Let's look at it another angle - can they be destroyed by hitting from below like Brick Blocks? I don't recall many opportunities to do so, but I remember punches and ground pounds do the trick. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:06, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
:I also want to add that I'm open to other suggestions on how to reorganize it, but when a replacement object has the same exact properties as it did in a previous version of the game, it doesn't really warrant basically spreading the same information across multiple articles in my opinion. You're familiar with the revised Snufit and Keronpa Ball, but in addition, the game's Crates are called 「小さなブロック」 (''Chiisana Burokku'', Small Block) in ''Super Mario 64'', whereas they are 「木</span><span class="explain" title="はこ">箱</span>」 (''Kibako'', Wooden Box) in ''Super Mario 64 DS''. I don't think they're worth splitting between ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario 64 DS'' because they serve the exact same purpose. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:44, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
::Whomp Block was a naming error, however, due to misreading ''Batta'' as ''Battan''. It's got absolutely nothing to do with Whomps. I could have sworn there was a discussion about it but I can't seem to find it at the moment (it might've been on a user talk page somewhere). Anyway, we certainly could move the ''Super Mario 64'' "Crate" away from the main Crate article, but if we do that, I'd prefer if it were still together with the ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Crate (I'm actually not sure if the N64 object was ever directly called a crate, but it's implied by the name of Crazed Crate). Whether it means merging all the SM64/DS blocks into one article or creating a separate "Crate (''Super Mario 64'')" article, I don't know, but splitting what's essentially the same object between N64 and DS appearances is a little silly since the renames are just due to a combination of redone textures and gameplay changes. Something else to consider: unlike <tt>YUREI_MUCHO</tt> and <tt>KERONPA</tt> using their newer names, the names of Brick and Crate are still <tt>BLOCK_L</tt> and <tt>BLOCK_S</tt> internally (also the Purple Switch-activated Brick is a separate object, <tt>SW_BLOCK_L</tt>, and there's a Black Brick-sized orange Brick, <tt>DP_BLOCK_L</tt>, though I don't remember where it's used - for context, Black Brick is <tt>BLOCK_LL</tt> and Ice is <tt>ICE_BLOCK_LL</tt>). So the game's crate is still ultimately considered a small block. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:52, May 22, 2020 (EDT)
:::Naming errors [[MarioWiki:Naming#Name changes|are]] a part of policy, just because the error is in-game doesn't mean we have to be blind to it. Something else about the manual is that it's not just "Brick" you should be looking at - all the blocks are named generically if you take them at face value. As such, maybe they're not supposed to be read as Crate, Brick, Black Brick, and Ice - but rather, Crate <i>Block</i>, Brick <i>Block</i>, Black Brick <i>Block</i>, and Ice <i>Block</i>. That'd make sense with the internal names still referring to them as blocks but primarily distinguishing them by size. But I guess I'll take this discussion to the block talk page - hopefully by then I can answer my question as to whether they can be hit from below. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:11, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
::::...And ''we'' were in the middle of an active discussion where we didn't have all the facts ready yet to present a bigger talk page discussion, but I digress. I just hacked to test out my question since I felt like it's ''that'' important before determining for sure that they should move into Brick Block. The result: no, hitting from below does not break the Brick, which is something that is true of every standard Brick Block <s>since the dawn of time</s> in all appearances. I'm not sure why the translation is anything like ''Super Mario Land'' - that [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf Japanese manual] you linked to earlier matches the English version. As for Wet Bones, I've explained before that I don't believe it is a naming error - Fish Bone has behavior new to ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' that can even be considered derivative in most normal circumstances, but later games stuck with this behavior for so the name was dropped and reverted to Fish Bone. Though if you still feel that strongly about it then you can go ahead and make a proposal out of it - [[Special:Diff/2920701|just know that I'm not the only one who supports leaving game-specific names as-is]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:33, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
:::::I mean, I don't really buy that they simply forgot to program it since breaking Brick Blocks from below such an iconic element of the series. It's practically the reason for the classic jump pose. Anyway, there are other blocks that aren't mentioned in the manual, like those giant Bricks (unless they're unused?), pushable blocks, and the two other types of Ice Block. I'll collect my bearings and post my thoughts and observations on the talk page later. By the way, if you want (since I know you had a grievance with this too), I'll compromise on ''Super Mario World''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Mini-Ninja since the ''Super Mario Advance 2'' guide refers to them as Ninji (albeit Prima). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:20, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

== RE:This ==

Okay, I was thinking of an older revision of the page. My bad. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:11, June 13, 2020 (EDT)

==re:Miyamoto and DKC myth==

Uhhhhh what is said in that manual lol --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 08:17, June 16, 2020 (EDT)
:I don't think it's worth noting. Stephen Kent specifically alluded to that quote being said during that Electronic Games itnerview on an episode of G4 Icons so I doubt he somehow conflated it with snarky flavour text from a Game Boy instruction manual. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 15:43, June 16, 2020 (EDT)

==RE:idk change it==
Hey dude. I jsut wanted to say that the Skull Switch should be capitalized as all of the switches and things do. P Switches aren't name P switches, smae for the ? Switch, and even for the Warp '''C'''annon. Anyway, bye, it's 0:30 in France so...
:This isn't a "Re:" by the way. The difference here is whether the source capitalizes it. If they don't (as is the case with skull switch), neither should we. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:31, June 18, 2020 (EDT)
Ok. In fact, I don't have the guide so I can't tell as it's in this paid guide that you have the answer. But, I know that :
- MarioWiki capitalized it
- Why does it will not be capitalized as basically everything else does. Oh, and btw, thanks for answering, and thanks for the file deletion...

== RE: Obnoxious IP ==

Porple just added something that should put a stop to it. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:56, July 21, 2020 (EDT)

== [[MarioWiki:Proposals#definitions of undead and deceased]] ==

It would be nice if you took part in it [[User:Pokemon|Pokemon]] ([[User talk:Pokemon|talk]]) 02:32, July 30, 2020 (EDT)

== A question... ==

...did you ever watch ''The X-Files''? I ask because I noticed that an episode, called "Irresistible," contains eerie music which seems to have been sampled in the Creepy Steeple song in ''TTYD.'' The music I'm talking about appears to be the theme of Donnie Pfaster, the episode's villain. I don't know if it's a generic sample or not, as music isn't studied as much as other content in most games. But I had a hunch you'd know something. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 20:29, August 8, 2020 (EDT)
:Not since early childhood, unfortunately. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:44, August 8, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:Wild Sting==
Yes, but the same [https://archive.org/details/nintendo-magazine-system-donkey-kong-land-booklet/mode/2up booklet] also refers to the Giant Clam as "Clambo", which is the Japanese name of that boss. Also, something interesting: it refers to Nemo as "Nautilus" and Flapper as "Nemo", and labels Ram Bunkshus as "Ram Head" and claims that it appears somewhere in the game as an enemy harder than Klump or Krusha (almost like Mr. X). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:15, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
:Not in a dedicated enemy profile section if that's what you mean, but the other names mentioned are mostly right with the exception of "Bratty Rats" that appear to refer to Gnawties. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:22, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
::Yep, most of the enemies seem to be accounted for, except Gloop. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:26, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
:::In addition to Gloops, enemy Clambos, regular Neckies (although pictured), and the basket of snakes aren't mentioned. "Poisonous snakes from Donkey Kong Island" are mentioned to have infested the rigging under a header called "SEA-FARING SLIPPAS!" on page 10, so I guess they're just Slippas with different behavior. Mincers (if you count them) are called "spiked wheels of doom" on page 14. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 04:04, August 9, 2020 (EDT)

== RE:Flip Panel ==

Forgot about those. Thanks! I'll add the information at my earliest convenience. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:37, August 10, 2020 (EDT)

== RE:Nail ==

They're covered at [[Stump]], and I already have an about template explaining that. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 21:33, August 20, 2020 (EDT)

== Archiving Proposals ==

I'm pretty sure that [https://www.mariowiki.com/Special:Diff/3010469 what you did] was only for proposals that happend directly on the page itself. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 23:01, August 25, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:gards to Cheep Chomp==
Interesting. It can go either way - in the source code, <tt>buku_texture</tt> contains a reference to <tt>puku_eye_txt</tt>, but that may be because Bubba borrows Bub's textures since it seems only the <tt>puku</tt> model uses it; however, enemy folders tend to be grouped by course, and <tt>buku</tt> is with the Tiny-Huge Island enemies in <tt>enemy1_k</tt> while <tt>puku</tt> seems to be with some water-based enemies and objects in <tt>enemy2_d</tt> (this oddly includes <tt>amembow</tt>, which was added to Dire, Dire Docks in the DS version, although <tt>enemy1_d</tt> contains the rest of the enemies from the course). The folders could have been organized closer to finalization, but then there's the fact that there is enough pre-release assets found in the source code that people have been able to accurately recreate the graphics and sounds of the Shoshinkai 1995 build, and as far as I know, there's no sign of a Bubba without sunglasses. So I personally think that it's probably a regular Bub set at a different scale, but I'm not too sure about it. Side note, I prefer Cheep Chomp being considered derivative of Blurp and Big Cheep Cheep, considering the direct similarities and that ''[[Special:Diff/2768088|Super Mario Pia]]'' statement. Also regarding Cheep Chomp, congrats on a proposal I once thought would be impossible, but don't celebrate too soon - [[Special:Diff/3011105|SmokedChili]] initiated a follow-up discussion since he just ''happened'' to miss the deadline (even though [[Special:Diff/3002371|I told him]] to reply in it to clarify why he voted against the Blurps, and he certainly had time to respond to me about other fish, but whatever). I honestly think he just really wanted Boss Bass to be Cheep Chomp, which, to be fair, a lot of us did in previous proposals and discussions, but we've also allowed new information and observations to change our points of view over time. Please see what you can do about it. EDIT: Also, given ''Super Paper Mario'' came out after ''Yoshi's Island DS'' and only mentions Boss Bass by name, shouldn't ''Super Paper Mario'' information be on both Big Cheep Cheep and Cheep Chomp pages to be safe? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:42, August 26, 2020 (EDT)

== Oops ==

Forgot to ask you, but I created the infobox thing you proposed.  {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 12:47, August 29, 2020 (EDT)
:I'm going to split [[Jaxi]]. Is that okay? {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 16:35, August 30, 2020 (EDT)
::I'll do it, just not right now. I'm busy. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:11, August 30, 2020 (EDT)

== Backgrounds in PC version of Mario is Missing ==

Recently, I have played though the PC/DOS version of Mario is Missing, and it was not anywhere near as bad as I was told it was going to be, thought I can see why people might not like it due to how different it is from the typical Mario game. Because of this, I have decided that I will make a sprite comic based off of the game, but in order to make that sprite comic, I need backgrounds, manly the backgrounds of the areas with the Koopalings, and the background for the area where Bowser is deshelled by Luigi. However, to my knowledge, none of the backgrounds from the MS-DOS/PC version of Mario is Missing have ever been ripped, as I have checked Mario Fan Games Galaxy/MFGG, The Spriters Resource/TSR, and various other websites that have sprites since the beginning of the year, and no MS-DOS Mario is Missing backgrounds were found. While the backgrounds from the SNES version have been ripped, the castle/ending backgrounds from the SNES version are vastly different from the castle backgrounds from the MS-DOS version. Because of this, could you please rip the ending cutscene backgrounds from the game files and upload it to the wiki. If you can't do that, rip the ending cutscene backgrounds and upload them to The Spriters Resource/TSR. If you don't know how to rip the backgrounds, could you tell me the Mario Wiki username of someone who could rip the ending cutscene background from the files of the MS-DOS version of Mario is Missing. Here is an image with the background I would like ripped [[File:BeachKoopa-Bowser.png|thumb]]
{{User|MarioIsMissingDos}} 4:18, 19 September 2020 (EST)
:Did you mean to speak to me or was that an accident? I'm dreadfully sorry, but the only iteration of that game I have any direct experience at all with is the NES version. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:55, September 19, 2020 (EDT)
Oh, I mistook your username for someone else. Sorry, but you do get to see one of my favorite images on the entire wiki, if only Nintendo would have Luigi or Mario pull Bowser's shell off in a future game as a reference to Mario is Missing. 
{{User|MarioIsMissingDos}} 6:55, 20 September 2020 (EST)

== Can I Get A... ==

<s>What what to these chickens from all of my thugs</s> ...source for that NSMB press release stuff? That shell is really suspicious and nobody linked anything in the upload or on the article. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 13:09, September 20, 2020 (EDT)
:Whenever RMV says "Nintendo of Europe," it means he got it from the official "Nintendo Asset Library" site. Trust me on this, I know what he does. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:22, September 20, 2020 (EDT)

==Re:falling rocks==
So what happened here is a simple mistake - there's one character difference in the course descriptions, namely 「<span class="explain" title="らくせきちゅうい">落石注意</span>！」 for Choco Mountain becoming 「<span class="explain" title="らっかちゅうい">落下注意</span>！」 for Bowser's Castle. The former is accurate, but the latter is marked for spaces where you can fall down. There might have been some context error in localization or miscommunication between a translator and editor, or something along those lines. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:35, September 23, 2020 (EDT)

==Prince Froggy's Shy Guys==
I'll double-check how they are described in my guides (which I should be able to do this weekend), but in keeping track of other instances of big versions of Shy Guys, I remembered there is a fairly obvious example - the Shy Guys that Prince Froggy eats in ''Yoshi's Island''. Now, I know that technically, Yoshi was shrunk and these Shy Guys are supposed to be normal size - but on the flip side, Shrinker Pipes in ''Super Mario 64'' are supposed to be changing Mario's size (despite some minor inconsistencies between the Tiny and Huge Islands), yet the differently-sized enemies are considered big and small versions (albeit Small Piranha does appear elsewhere in the game). Since these enemies are big or small ''in relation to Mario'', shouldn't the Shy Guys that Prince Froggy eats be considered big ''in relation to Yoshi and Baby Mario''? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:35, September 23, 2020 (EDT)
:So the SNES Player's Guide doesn't mention the Shy Guys' size, but the GBA one does: "''Slurp up the big Shy Guys to make extra-large Eggs, then shoot Prince Froggy’s uvula (the thing dangling from the top of the screen). Don’t worry too much about aiming.''" (page 60, under '''Food Fight'''). The thing about the Shrinker Pipes changing Mario's size comes from the Nintendo Power's Player's Guide and the official UK Nintendo Magazine's "The Essential Player's Guide", and the [https://web.archive.org/web/19980610065144/http://www.nintendo.com/n64/super_mario64/basic13.html website], but I don't know how Japanese material handles it. The game is decidedly vaguer with its "The Tip Top of the Huge Island" mission and ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' refers to でか島 (Huge Island) and ちび島 (Tiny Island), unless that's just stating the island's size in relation to Mario, though Shrinker Pipes are treated as regular pipes. Someone with the Shogakukan guide might know. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:33, September 27, 2020 (EDT)
::If I'm not mistaken, big versions of Shy Guys have also appeared in the following: ''Yoshi's Story'' pre-release, at least one game* of the ''Mario Party'' series, ''Mario Tennis Aces'', and ''Mario Kart Tour'' (as Mega form). The ''Mario Party'' series appearance is debatable since apparently the premise of ''Mario Party DS'' is that the playable characters have all been shrunken down, but it seems like the enemy characters have inconsistent sizes that don't always align with that idea. Do you know of other possible appearances? Also, regarding the ''Super Mario 64'' Shogakukan guide - sorry, but I'm only privy to the interview portion, which I presume was scanned to be translated at a later time. That said, I may get my own copy of the guide at some point if no one else here has it, but probably not now. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:03, October 16, 2020 (EDT)
:::On whether Keronpa Ball should be merged? Right now, I'm leaning towards it having similar treatment as Snufit - which is to say, a separate article from their "parent" - but that can easily change, depending on how reconfirmation goes. Maybe ask Mister Wu if he happens to have the guide(s) in question? About Viridi, remember that she also mentioned several other species out of order of appearance, which resemble Japanese Wikipedia order no less. I would be cautious about taking the order she mentions them too literally. The Lava Piranha (and Petit Piranhas?) probably need a proposal since it seems more like a fire version of the Naval Piranha boss more than a standard Fire Piranha. The parent species might be enough to say what they are. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:49, October 16, 2020 (EDT)
:::Something interesting regarding the Tiny-Huge Island enemies: in the ''Super Mario 64'' assets, there's a file called <tt>tagdecode.h</tt> within the <tt>include</tt> folder, and in it, the different-sized Goombas and Piranha Plants are labelled as follows: <tt>TAGCODE_e_b_kuribo</tt> (Big Goomba), <tt>TAGCODE_e_s_kuribo</tt> (Small Goomba), <tt>TAGCODE_e_kuribo</tt> (Goomba), <tt>TAGCODE_e_pakun</tt> (Piranha Plant), <tt>TAGCODE_e_minipakun</tt> (Small [Fire] Piranha), <tt>TAGCODE_e_firepakun</tt> (Fire Piranha Plant), and <tt>TAGCODE_e_bigpakun</tt> (Big [Fire] Piranha). This could just be abbreviated since the different-sized Piranha Plants are obviously Fire Piranha Plant instead of the basic sleeping type, but it could explain why the name of the small version of Fire Piranha includes "Fire" in one source but leaves it out in another. Now, this file includes some things that were cut; for example, it mentions <tt>TAGCODE_e_jumpblock</tt> (Note Block?) <tt>TAGCODE_e_gesso</tt> (Blooper!), <tt>TAGCODE_e_icemotos</tt> (Ice Motos!), and <tt>TAGCODE_e_namazu</tt> (Lunge Fish?), and doesn't mention "puku" or "buku" but rather <tt>TAGCODE_e_pukumother</tt> (Big Bertha[[tcrf:File:Beta_Cheep_Chomp.jpg|?]]). But I think it's the only mention I've noticed of the enemies set at a different scale (also noting it just has <tt>TAGCODE_e_indy</tt> but no other size planned). Also, something interesting about Snufit: in the assets, the flying Shy Guy and Snifit-derived enemies are labelled as <tt>heyho</tt> and <tt>mucho</tt>, respectively, though the former also has a few references as <tt>heyho_fly</tt>. My theory: they considered the Shy Guy to be the established Fly Guy late in development, but overlooked Snifit (in Japan), which was renamed to be closer to the established Boo Guy in ''Super Mario 64 DS''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:48, October 25, 2020 (EDT)

==Character Suggestions==
Hello - You've seen I've been making some character articles. I just wanted to double check if there are any that need to be made for ''[[Super Mario Sunshine]]'' you would recommend, or if there are perhaps any pre-existing articles I could add to. I asked [[User:TheDarkStar|TheDarkStar]] about this, but he hasn't been as active lately, so this is just for now. Thank you, and, if you have any questions, please let me know. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 17:30, October 18, 2020 (EDT)

==''Super Mario Bros.'' infobox image question==
Seeing as [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 56#Upload images from the base game along with remakes|this proposal]] stemmed from [[Talk:Super Mario 3D All-Stars#Screenshots|your thoughts]], I figured I'd ask either you or DarkNight. After the proposal was finished, [[Super Mario Bros. 35#Courses|official course icons from ''Super Mario Bros. 35'' were uploaded]]. Now, I generally agree with the proposal, but seeing as how these are official in-game screenshots that seem even more color-accurate than some of our own screenshots (albeit zoomed in to hide the HUD), do you think these should be the infobox images for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' courses instead? If you agree or are unsure, maybe we can get more consensus [[Template talk:SMB Levels|here]], but if you disagree, I'll drop it. (Also, I know I'm overdue for some proposals and changes, but I haven't had the time yet.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:00, October 20, 2020 (EDT)

==Paper Bloop==
So...given your thoughts on the ''TTYD'' Blooper boss on the Lava Piranha talk page, would you have an issue with what I proposed doing at the end of the Big Blooper talk page? I was going to go ahead with it before making that proposal and so far there haven't been objections, but if you disagree please let me know. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:24, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
:The way I see it, however, it's not really a "retcon" (poor word choice on my part) so much as the confirmation of a phenomenon within the original game, as it being the only type of Blooper fought directly by the party likely meant that the battle programmers simply didn't feel the need to specify that it was a "big" one at the time. But I can just make it another option when I make the proposal if there's contention. I get where you're coming from and I'd be agreeing if it was the only Blooper size in the game, but I think that's the key here. That aside, you think the ''Super Smash Bros.'' appearance is clear-cut enough to go ahead? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:40, October 26, 2020 (EDT)
::All right, will note accordingly, no prob. <small>I'd be shocked if ''Super Smash Bros.'' didn't at least influence the ReDeads in ''Tri Force Heroes'', but that's neither here nor there.</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:03, October 26, 2020 (EDT)

== RE: Teeth Polease ==

That makes more sense, thanks. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:14, November 2, 2020 (EST)

== Why Paper Jam is not a Paper Mario game ==

I would have thought this would be obvious enough already, but the main reason we don't consider Paper Jam a Paper Mario game is because it is a Mario & Luigi game, developed by Alphadream and is considered part of that series, and there is no way a game could possibly be part of two series. I'm pretty sure even Nintendo wouldn't consider it a Paper Mario game. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
:But that's exactly what a crossover is. Anyways, I've had a discussion elsewhere, and I suppose the fact it plays more like a typical M&L game is enough for it to have some slight level of priority, and even then it wasn't given a reference in TOK's series-wide continuity nods. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:48, November 2, 2020 (EST)

== According to his debut, Poochy ain't stupid ==

Why did you have to put on my talk page "According to his debut, [[Poochy Ain't Stupid]]? It is very unnecessary and all you are stating is [[Poochy]] knows more than a 3 Year old. Also the category you put it in makes it make no sense at all. You put it in the category "Although he isn't very smart." You are not proving anything because you can just write it as [[Poochy Ain't Stupid]] but he isn't smart either. {{unsigned|Kaden Pervaiz}}
:[[Poochy Ain't Stupid]] is the name of a level in [[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]], the game Poochy first appeared in. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
:...I think you're taking this ''way'' too personally. Where are ''you'' getting that he isn't a smart dog? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:12, November 29, 2020 (EST)

== RE:Pokey ==

A debut game identifier definitely ''sounds'' like a viable option, though I'm not 100% certain that it'll work out. We'll see, I guess. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 13:19, December 7, 2020 (EST)

== Why I only undid the last edit ==

I didn't realise there were lots of other edits on that page which weren't reverted. Besides, those were from a couple of weeks ago and the latest one was last night. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
:Huh, I'd thought I'd seen more on the recent changes. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:05, December 9, 2020 (EST)
::Yeah, that user did hit quite a lot of Luigi's Mansion-related pages. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}

== Re:Roulette Block ==

I guess so. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:48, January 9, 2021 (EST)

== RE: Unbaba meaning ==

It does now that you point it out... {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 06:31, March 29, 2021 (EDT)

== Anti Guy proposal ==

I also don't appreciate your remark in your recent comment. What I was actually saying is I don't want to argue about it anymore because it's just going to get nowhere and I don't want to waste my mental health trying. I have read your "so you've gotten into a debate with me" section of your userpage, and I do see where you're coming from with it. Please just accept that I'm backing down from the discussion now. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 16:42, April 21, 2021 (EDT)
:If you're ''that'' worried for your state of mind, you should probably withdraw from it completely rather than leave unaddressed loose ends to continue gnawing. I think you're a good user, but this really isn't the way to go. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:58, April 21, 2021 (EDT)
::I decided to change my vote because I realised my reasoning wasn't well thought out, and the amount of other articles across the wiki that are laid out as such. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 17:40, April 21, 2021 (EDT)

== NiOL anon ==

If you see any anons adding Japanese translations but forgetting spaces between punctuation, just report them. They're the same person evading bans and ignoring talk page advice. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:39, April 24, 2021 (EDT)
:I was suspicious of such, thanks. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:53, April 24, 2021 (EDT)

==Paper Unbaba and Yoob Egg==
So, mulling it over, I wouldn't really say the Hooktail family has a "direct" relation to Blargg, not enough for them to be considered notable members in the species infobox. ''Super Mario World'' cartoon notwithstanding, Blarggs are typically found submerged instead of aboveground, and the Hooktail family are consistently called "dragons" in the game script. That said, I noticed that at least one article, Mecha Cheep, uses a parameter called species_origin (subject origin). I'm not really sure what use this was supposed to have over species, and it's probably used incorrectly in that case, but maybe Blargg would work for Hooktail if the character infobox phrased something like a subject origin. Anyway, about the egg, I was also thinking "Egg (Yoob)" or "Egg (Sunnycide)" would be better, but if I'm understanding [[MarioWiki:Naming#Determining the identifier|determining the identifier]] correctly, it and the ''Wario Land 4'' egg enemy have to both use game titles. Correct me if I'm wrong. <small>Noos taht no kcab teg emmel tub dda ot ffuts ediug evah osla I!</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:51, May 9, 2021 (EDT)

== Dino Piranha spacing ==

My main intent was to further seperate the infoboxes from each other, I thought it looked worse before. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 20:04, May 11, 2021 (EDT)

== Rope (redux) ==

Since it's now been over a year since your [[Talk:Rope#Merge the "tightrope" portion and other similar horizontal ropes to Wire, rename that to "Rope (Horizontal)," and rename this to "Rope (Vertical)"|proposal on the Rope talk page]], I've been thinking of making a follow-up proposal to better categorize the different types of ropes. That said, though, the way I want to go about it may be a bit too complicated for a proposal at the moment, so I want to hear your suggestions on how to go about this:
*The first article I would create as a result would be {{fake link|Rope (swinging)}}, to cover any and all dangling ropes that the player uses to swing on and thus build momentum for a jump. The only problem I could see happening is the overlap with "swinging vine", which may cause a naming disagreement to be had. And swinging vines aren't any different either; I've played all of the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' games 100%, ''Luigi U'' included, and I can guarantee that swinging ropes and swinging vines are exactly the same despite all versions of the ''[[Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia|Encyclopedia]]'' treating them differently.
*The second article would be {{fake link|Rope (hand-over-hand)}}, to cover any and all ropes that the player simply grabs onto from below, moving along them by continuously putting one hand in front of the other. Since these particular ropes only appear in the first three ''New Super Mario Bros.'' games ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESCrfG7t-5I&t=109s and the graphic for moving around on them even goes unused in ''New Super Mario Bros. U'']), I see no potential problems with this.
*The third article would be {{fake link|Tightrope}}, to cover any and all ropes that the player actually walks on and has the potential to lose their balance and fall. More on the potential problems below.
*The fourth article would be {{fake link|Wire}}, to cover any and all ropes that Mario moves on sideways from below, and can [[Wire Spin|be spun on]] to [[Super Whirl Jump|jump off of]]. Though one major problem that you pointed out yourself is that wires and tightropes are technically merged into one object in ''Super Mario Sunshine'' despite having very little in common in every other game. My one solution for this would be to relegate the ''Mario Sunshine'' info to [[Wire Rope]] and give mention to this in both the tightrope and wire articles, though that might not be the most practical solution. There's also the bars from ''Wario Land: Shake It!'' that also behave exactly like wires.
*The fifth article would be {{fake link|Elevator rope}}, to cover any and all dangling ropes that can only be climbed and not swung off of. These types of ropes ''do'' appear in a handful of games, such as ''Donkey Kong Jr.'', ''Donkey Kong Country 2'', and ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'', though like the "swinging rope" issue I mentioned, some of these objects are actually vines, such as in ''Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze''.
I just want to make sure I have a multi-option proposal that narrows down the options enough so that there are at least a few that any reasonable person could agree to. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 16:57, May 16, 2021 (EDT)
:Main problem I see (as you pointed out) is that 2, 3, and 4 have so much mingling that "splitting" them definitively doesn't really work. I really see them as effectively the same thing adapted to differing gameplay styles (much like [[Chain-Link#Super Mario 64|wire netting]]). 1 and 5 I give a "maybe," do both include respective vines? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:04, May 16, 2021 (EDT)
::To answer your question, yes. Though in regards to 2, 3, and 4, the ''Encyclopedia'' considers all three different regardless of language. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 17:09, May 16, 2021 (EDT)
:::Can you elaborate on that? What's the origin language call them? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:12, May 16, 2021 (EDT)
::::Awaiting a response from LinkTheLefty. On that note, though, 2 and 3 appear in completely different columns in the ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'' section. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 17:23, May 16, 2021 (EDT)

==Of Silver Dinos and other things==
On Silver Chomp, I guess we went with using both names in the article, but now that I think about it, this creates an inconsistency with Gold Chomp. Either Gold Chomp should be moved back to Golden Chomp or the name from the Japanese mission title should be removed from the Silver Chomp article (probably sourcing the English name for Silver Chomp to the Prima guide, which I think would look awkward). The same user also pointed out an unrelated file with internal names that I was overlooking, and it confirms that "sambo_m" for the Poison Pokey from ''The Thousand-Year Door'' and ''Super Paper Mario'' stands for "sambo_mummy", not sambo_midori like I thought (stuff like the Fuzzy colors aren't carried over from the first ''Paper Mario''), so I plan to add that merge to my list of overdue proposals sometime soon. On topic of proposals, I was afraid that the Anti Guy merge wouldn't reach consensus after the ''Yoshi's Story'' one split. In the meantime, how to go about fixing the awkward "parent species debuted after derivative" relationship between the Black Shy Guy and Anti Guy articles? For the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' boss, the only difference is that page 289 of the first game's Prima guide calls it "the" Fiery Dino Piranha and page 262 of the second game's Prima guide just calls it Fiery Dino Piranha. And for the Ghost Stream, I believe you're thinking of the right thing, though the Player's Guide puts it in the Enemy Index. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:38, May 25, 2021 (EDT)
:Well, I do want to at least give Poison Pokey and Pink Fuzzy a shot eventually (possibly considering them respective variants of Pokey Mummy and Flower Fuzzy in lieu of merging), but one thing at a time I guess. Pale Piranha and Moon Cleft seem to be in a similar enough situation as I recall that I think they can be handled simultaneously, but...it's been a little while so I wouldn't mind a refresher on it, I know I weighed in somewhere but I don't recall all the nuance on the top of my head. If you want dibs, you can have it. What's on my mind are [[Talk:Big Blooper (Super Paper Mario)#Reorganizing Big Bloopers|reorganizing Big Bloopers]] (which will be a multiple choice proposal) and [[Talk:Mario Kart Tour#On the naming conventions of new variants and power-up forms|remerging Metal Mario redux]], and perhaps something else. I'm looking at doing them sometime within the next month. Dark Craw was something I wanted to address at one point (along with "Spiky Gloomba" which always bugged me a bit seeing next to "Spiked Goomba" despite technically being policy-correct), but I don't remember Gus being implied to be the species name. The user who claimed that for the Italian name is fairly active so I'd try asking for clarification. Ghost Stream is probably worth a bit more discussion, but all I know is that it needs coverage, so maybe it can be added to same article and decided later if it should stay. Reformatting Naval Piranha is something I wouldn't mind. Smilax bud is a good question, but I don't see the word for it (or Lava Bud for that matter) reused in the guides I have. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:36, May 25, 2021 (EDT)
::I mean, I should hope so about Metal Mario. What Mister Wu had to say there regarding Mario challenges sounds like it ought to be very persuasive to me, and the previous proposal was fairly close and had at least one confused vote. With Black Shy Guy, that's up to you. Is phase 3 what you plan to do regardless? If so, do you think phase 2 would have an easier time passing if phase 3 passed before it, or vice versa? I'd reflect on that before drafting the proposal. (An IP deserves credit for bringing up Merlar and Merlumina [[Talk:Madam Merlar|here]].) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:40, May 25, 2021 (EDT)

== Megasmilax=Naval Piranha ==

I don't quite understand this, their JP names don't imply this and Megasmilax doesn't appear in water. Where exactly are you coming from with this? {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 19:29, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:Naval Piranha often appears outside of water too (heck it's only really "in" water in its debut, with the name being an artifact). Note Naval's JP name is just "Big Pakkun," so any later-introduced enlarged Piranha Plant following the design pattern would be derivative. It even has its own Piranha Buds with the smilaxes, which are even generically identified as buds as their Japanese name. Lava Piranha is only an outlier for not being enlarged and being based on (and outright considered as such in the language of origin) Fire Piranha Plant. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:33, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::Sorry but that doesn't make sense to me, and even seems a bit speculative. If that Piranha Plant was never related to Naval Piranha in the first place, I doubt it could suddenly become related from getting bigger. This probably could have used some discussion first before outright saying that they're all Naval Piranhas. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 19:45, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::Same could be said about the original growing from a normal Piranha Plant's bud and Spike the Piranha (who is blatantly derived) being created from inanimate arts & crafts implements. Also, how about [[Fake Bowser]] being derived from Bowser's species despite being enchanted versions of random enemies? Besides, when it was a character page before I edited it, the species was listed as "Piranha Plant (before)<nowiki><br></nowiki>Big Piranha Plant (after)," which is basically the same issue. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:48, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::The Fake Bowsers are enemies turned into identical clones of Bowser, so that's probably a different matter. I wouldn't mind saying that each one resembles or is based on Naval Piranha, which as of now I just think is as far as we should go. I would like to get a general consensus on the matter. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 16:33, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:::::I agree we should get community consensus on this, yes. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:11, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
Unrelated note, hope you don't mind me hiding your recent revisions on the Paragoomba page since there was a vandal's spam link in them. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} 16:53, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:Unfortunate; as long as the summary stays, it's fine. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:54, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

==SML==
I suggest viewing the quality of ''[[Super Mario Land]]'''s page as it currently stands. A sprites section has been added to the sample gallery, and all of the manga images have been replaced with actual sprites or screenshots, including the enemy and level sections. I recommend revising your opposing vote to address any other concerns you have, or adding comments as needed, thanks. {{User:The Mansion/sig}} 11:11, June 5, 2021 (EDT)
:I got a family reunion today, so I'll check on it once I get back. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:13, June 5, 2021 (EDT)

== BradyGames' Yoshi's Island Guide ==

If this [https://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Nintendo-SNES-Yoshis-Island-Pocket-Strategy-Guide-FREE-SHIPPING-Brady-/293975447830 Ebay listing] that shows the front cover of the guide is anything to go by, it's very much unofficial :p - [[User:RHG1951|RHG1951]] ([[User talk:RHG1951|talk]]) 22:39, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

== SMB NES Files ==

What do you talking about NES files? :/ I have just uploaded some Bill Blasters sprites from different games recently. [[User:TheRaoul1992]] ([[User talk:TheRaoul1992|talk]]) 15:53, June 9, 2021 (EDT)

== All Night Nippon ==

Exactly, I had uploading this sprites, I checked the history, and nothing has changed, except the enemies and the star was renamed. [[User:TheRaoul1992]] ([[User talk:TheRaoul1992|talk]]) 16:07, June 9, 2021 (EDT)

== SMRPG sprites ==

I looked at Recent Changes and saw that you've been adding sprites from ''Super Mario RPG''. Do you mind if I ask where you're getting information about the frame delay and frame order for each enemy?

I've animated a very small amount of Dream Team sprites before, but those sheets were laid out with the sprite order already. I'd like to know if there's any sort of method or resource for if I want to animate more RPG sprites in the future. [[File:SMS Strollin Stu Artwork.png|x35px]] [[User:0blivion|0blivion]] 16:08, June 9, 2021 (EDT)
:I'm just comparing to YouTube and repeatedly adjusting until it matches precisely. It can be a lengthy process. Using the < and > keys while paused helps, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:31, June 9, 2021 (EDT)
::I see, thanks. They do look accurate, so I think you're doing well. [[File:SMS Strollin Stu Artwork.png|x35px]] [[User:0blivion|0blivion]] 16:58, June 9, 2021 (EDT)

==Re: Deep Cheep==
I don't know man, but they look like Deep Cheeps and they share the same filename as Deep Cheeps. I think we can make a redirect for the Deep Cheep article instead. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 01:14, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
:This has been discussed elsewhere. Since they don't have the "mad" eyes like other NSMBW-onward appearances and don't ''actually'' chase, the file name thing seems to be a leftover from porting the files over for editing than an actual indication as to what they're supposed to be in the finished product. Like Magmaargh in SMG2. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:17, June 30, 2021 (EDT)

== Fish ==

If we are to merge the weird ones with the Cheep Cheep per the [[Talk:Piscatory Pete|talk page]], does that mean we are gonna revisit the bubble Crayzee Dayzee? Idk, just asking. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 16:27, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
:I'd let that sit until at least an amount of time after Pisc has actively been merged. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:40, July 27, 2021 (EDT)
::I guess that seems fair. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 16:41, July 27, 2021 (EDT)

==Re:Fire Bubble==
You're probably right, although I do find it a little interesting that they used <tt>FireBubble</tt> for the blue ones and then <tt>LavaBubble</tt> for the red ones; you'd think they'd go with Lava Bubble the first time, especially since it's closer to ''Yōgan Bubble''. They also didn't really have a reason to name Fire Bubble like they did since the soap bubble object has a different name (there is no plain "Bubble"), but I don't feel as strongly about it as I did before. I'll leave it up to your discretion if you feel it should be considered a color variant. <small>Sorry for taking so long, I'm in the middle of a major move among other things.</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:59, August 24, 2021 (EDT)

== RE: Mantarou ==

I'd chalk the file name up to possibly not being able to use macrons or just a shorthand way of writing out the elongation. Regardless, it's written in the same style as a hiragana word - just in katakana - due to its origin, which we [[MarioWiki:Japanese|usually romanise with macrons if it's an elongated vowel]]. It's not two separate morphemes. The original names じろう (Jirō) and たろう (Tarō) even have katakana equivalents ジロウ and タロウ and are romanised the same regardless. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:29, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

== More ''Paper Mario'' Bob-omb sprites ==

Hi. Would it be possible for you to upload the missing images in [[Koopa Bros. Fortress#Characters found]]? For reference, [[:File:Paper Mario Imprisoned Bombette.png|here is a screenshot]] of the missing characters. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 03:31, September 2, 2021 (EDT)
:I may. I just get them off TSR. Here's the sheets for [https://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheet_icons/7/7688.png red], [https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_64/pm/sheet/7682/ green], and [https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_64/pm/sheet/7681/ blue]. Red's among the enemy sheets, probably because it's used in normal Bob-omb's angry flashing. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:59, September 2, 2021 (EDT)
:: It turns out that we have [[:File:Bruce.png]], which shares the same sprite as ordinary blue Bob-ombs. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 05:02, September 6, 2021 (EDT)

==Ceiling Buzzy Beetles in Super Paper Mario==
Hey. So, I was playing through the game dillydallying around with the enemies when I came into something strange. As I got into 5-4, I stomped on one of the ceiling Spike Tops when it got to the edge of one of the Hard Blocks using Dottie numerous times and after awhile, they were instantly defeated. I began to guess that the same thing works on regular Buzzy Beetles too, so I went to 1-4 to stomp on the one at the beginning of the second room and saw the same exact thing happen. So, yeah. I saw this happen in-game and was shocked to see that I was running into some developer oversight. Using TextEdit, it takes about ten hits for this to happen. Is there any way you could revisit these two areas, along with 5-3, so you could find this maneuver for proof that this is true?

{{User:ThatOneUniqueToad/sig}} 22:28, September 10, 2021 (EDT)
	
:Not anytime immediate, unfortunately. I'm in the midst of a PM64 playthrough, and want to get through TTYD again before moving onto SPM. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:30, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

I can understand that. Maybe next time, perhaps...

{{User:ThatOneUniqueToad/sig}} 23:45, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

==Re: Yoshi the Koopa==
That's fine then, I just didn't know. I was in the process of cleaning up a lot of vandalism at the time and it did just seem like more of it. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 15:58, September 19, 2021 (EDT)

== "Lolcow-lizers" ==

Was it really necessary to use that term? Localizations that don't 100% match the original language isn't exactly idiotic, and that's the impression I'm getting from that. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:29, September 22, 2021 (EDT)
:Is it really necessary to get upset over a pun? I'm not in a good mood right now, sorry, my dog passed away. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:36, September 22, 2021 (EDT)
::I must admit that I'm also feeling a bit drained since I just got home from a holiday, so sorry about that. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:52, September 22, 2021 (EDT)

==Re:Tweest==
Personally, I took the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Tweester as a derivative of some kind - in fact, I originally marked them as such after the clean-up proposal (this was before "relatives" was added to the infobox, which I would've put as an alternative). An Urchin-style revamp is possible, but I'm unsure of that since they were discontinued right afterwards. I'm pretty sure that the ''Mario Story'' name matches the ''Mario Party'' orb, but it didn't occur to me that it shared its Japanese name with Gusty. This might be a stretch, but could this be related to Gusty having a different English name that one time? <small>Also, you're kicking butt with your recent proposals!</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:16, September 27, 2021 (EDT)
==Spriters Resource==
I see which you is member of [https://www.spriters-resource.com/ The Spriters Resource]. I need a big help, you could send my material, please? I tried to do this, but still this warning says ''You cannot submit to the site''.

===Donkey Kong Trilogy===
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/9ap3ay6qkk1a5ir/Kremlings_%2528SNES%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR39Fd0L9NIUp9vUAmfZrSQeJdFL82wNAjiPV2FeF_4-GfZ0_9I2W0LPXlE Kremlings]
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/o7k3awcqyewkp7d/DKC3_%2528sceneries%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR2ByaqIsygvBmkHY2EF077vDiKNxAkVPCfN6OSrkhoejZ7SVAgVYrh4sWE DKC3 Tilesets]
===[https://www.spriters-resource.com/custom_edited/donkeykongcustoms/ Donkey Kong Custons]===
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/7z1mg3pdlc1tofl/Kongs_%2528fan_sprites%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR3XWzLf1fLfGiHgMNrHjF3qdB0RLNMlmdAOQjmKl2VXLDiYKtXpjKJmpj4 Kongs]
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/2jlp3mmbsyvrbt5/Enemies_%2528fan_sprites%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR0v4heeox7xZA1EfRvbIWR4dAiIqpLB1bqLNRP5LUZc9M1IjIwg5THPve4 Enemies]
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/fwh7rbc6zghtkoi/Animal_Friends_%2528fan_sprites%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR3FIGpqSdpWBPgSc20DpwQJxvCUtdmp6e38yxp1JYhpnBNP44XtI6BZmGM Animal Friends]
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/n0l4vcwotzobh41/Bosses_%2528fan_sprites%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR3qOZ59z_bdwanAg1k88CFKbowSR_z_iruUcBh6GU43G1kXEeGkFNYkr0o Bosses]
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/tsfkopqcfs5ahfz/K._Rool%2527s_Mobile_Island_Fortress_%2528DKC%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR2HRoSuzMdFdVLczt3gKIEm9Ar0b-P-mRwX1UCY8eQmIk7iyaducYgHgmI K. Rool's Mobile Island Fortress]
*[https://www.mediafire.com/file/q6o08gbem6qfo6e/Tiki.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR1ou4HrFWChFfI0Kuj26bcFmmcVyWTDZTxf8iXi_t4eQ33jHcImlP7-Vfw Tikis]

[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 13:50, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
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:Oh, about the message there, you have to wait a couple days after getting an account, then you can. They do that to avoid spam. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:04, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
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I waited a couple or 3 years. Some from my material to custons, I ripped in Nintendo 64 and Wii emulator. No everyone can own a Wii emulator and pick up a moving model to become sprites. The Tiki Tong and his tower for example was complicated for me.
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 16:50, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
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:You should probably ask an admin on there about why you can't submit. What's your username on there? I can contact Ton about it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:46, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
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[https://www.vg-resource.com/user-57848.html Here].
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 17:48, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
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:OK, I've sent the message. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:08, October 22, 2021 (EDT)
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I have the [http://www.mediafire.com/file/l9f4mqwgwt37scb/Racers_%25282003%2529.zip/file?fbclid=IwAR2E7mcdPFkSaV6SGvjtmDzzvq4Dp9OAt3NNbpdo8tFBzpUPr6Kw4Fac39U Racer's weapons] to the [https://www.spriters-resource.com/game_boy_advance/diddykongpilotprototype/ Diddy Kong Pilot].
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 20:20, October 26, 2021 (EDT)
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I created 2 sprites to the [https://www.spriters-resource.com/custom_edited/donkeykongcustoms/ Donkey Kong Customs].
*[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pictures/images/c/c0/Rockkroc_%28KoS%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20211102172242&format=original Rockkroc]
*[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pictures/images/d/dc/Millstone.png/revision/latest?cb=20211102175432&format=original Millstone] (this sprites I will give the credit)
**[https://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/joenmac/sheet/26486/ Vaati]
**[https://www.spriters-resource.com/custom_edited/donkeykongcustoms/sheet/17110/ Michael Peterson]

'''PS:''' If the image does not appear, press again.
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 14:59, November 02, 2021 (EDT)
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:I've spoken with the admins about activating your account on there. You should be able to PM them too even when the account is inactive, but I could be wrong. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:15, November 2, 2021 (EDT)
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Show me the instructions how to do this? 
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 19:25, November 02, 2021 (EDT)
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:You'd go to the page of a user and hit the "send a private message" text. I sent a notice to [https://www.vg-resource.com/user-3146.html Ton], and he said he'd speak about it with Petie, who I think is the domain owner. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:16, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
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I have the [https://www.mediafire.com/file/4gytn1817ngetzl/Yoshi%2527s_Island_%2528sceneries%2529.zip/file Castle outside] to [https://www.spriters-resource.com/snes/yoshiisland/ Yoshi's Island]. So far I have not received anything different on my user, it remains the same. 
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 21:48, November 25, 2021 (EDT)

==Friend request==
This is probably a bit too sudden, but do you wanna be friends? I saw you're queer, seems like we have something in common :) <br> If you want, you can use my userbox. {{User:Scarlet Pairo/sig}} 11:19, October 27, 2021 (EDT)

== Hisstocrat ==

Given that a proposal is currently on going, do you think the female Hisstocrat, should be considered as basically how the [[Motley Bossblob|clown jester Koopaling thing]] was green and purple, and the bully as blue instead of red? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:20, November 1, 2021 (EDT)
:Pretty much, though these are at least made clear to be separate individuals. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:46, November 1, 2021 (EDT)

== Toady ==

So, should Kamek's Toadies should be split while Solo Toady and Green Toady (merged together rather than split for some reason) are being merged, or this should be a story for another day? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:42, November 2, 2021 (EDT)

==Biting Bullet + Pipe Lakitu==
I thought I saw it somewhere, but I wasn't sure so I figured it'd be safe to go with what TCRF's development article said (though it weirdly enough uses the old "Biting Bullet Bill" name). Good to see my instincts were right. I also have a pet theory that the color palettes were decided later after it was decided to turn them into their own subtypes, but I don't have much to go on other than a hunch. On the topic of ''Yoshi's Island'' stuff, something else occurred to me recently. As you'll recall, there was a suggestion on the Lakitu in a Pipe (which I'm pretty sure were only named once) talk page to merge it with the regular Lakitu article, but it stalled. Maybe it's being looked at incorrectly. In ''Yoshi's Island'', there's a similar variant of Lakitu called Aqua Lakitu, and while they don't appear in Warp Pipes per se, their Japanese name literally translates to "''Pipe Jugem''" and the English ''Super Mario World 2'' and Japanese ''Super Mario Advance 3'' guide references refer to them dwelling in sewers or pipes. That sounds a lot like Lakitu in a Pipe. The attack pattern differences can be mostly attributed to Lakitu's own behavior differences between games, with it having a different aiming mechanic and popping Spiny Eggs. The rationale would be not unlike the evolution of some enemies like Bouncing Bullet Bill or Circling/Boo Buddy/Block, which started off being considered minor unnamed variants and became its own derivatives later on. What do you think about that? Potentially shifting pipe variant discussion from a Lakitu merge into an Aqua Lakitu merge? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:52, November 13, 2021 (EST)
:I'll probably try to look more into ''Super Mario World'''s pipe variant when I get a chance then. So about Volcano Lotus: Ponkey's ([[tcrf:Development:Super Mario World (SNES)/Background Graphics and Tilemaps#Japanese Version 2|final?]]) name is probably an intentional throwback, but there's not much that can be done in terms of a parent/variant relationship now that we know [https://imgur.com/a/UvABP#104 of] [https://archive.org/details/smw-nintendo-official-guide-book/SMWAPEvol1/page/25/mode/2up sources] stating it's derivative of Lava Lotus. To be honest, from a design/mechanic perspective alone, that seems more like it, so this might even be a sort-of reverse-Bob-omb situation if you will. Just the same, I thought keeping the "comparable" things in the infobox to the most relevant subjects in terms of more precise attack behavior nuances helped more in navigation, though I did forget about Lava Lotus's original sprite - maybe, in a roundabout way, the Ponkey name was ultimately shared with Volcano Lotus as an allusion to Panser actually being the inspiration for Lava Lotus? Feel free to put that back in. There's also the matter of Wild Ptooie Piranha, which looks like it borrows both Panser's firing arc and Volcano Lotus's recharge time, and I feel it should need a talk page discussion before going beyond that. On the topic of fiery enemies, I noticed that the [http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/ai/scans/guide.html#smcape ''Super Mario Collection'' Shogakukan guide] refers to the longer type of Fire Bar variously as 「大ファイアバー」 (32), 「ビッグファイアバー」 (63), and 「[[Huge Fire Bar#Names in other languages|大きなファイアバー]]」 (86), probably among others. Now, I'm aware this could just be a guide writer making up general adjectives on the spot, but it may be worth cross-checking these with other sources at some point. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:01, November 14, 2021 (EST)
::I'd give the ''Super Mario World'' Shogakukan authors a little more credit: they remember to mention some callbacks to previous games, including a reference to Mario 3's Kyodai Pukupuku as being roughly the same size as the slower Fugumannen in its description, and they seem relatively privvy to late-ish development materials given "[https://archive.org/details/smw-nintendo-official-guide-book/SMWAPEvol1/page/25/mode/2up Magnam-Killer]" is the early render of [[tcrf:Development:Super Mario World (SNES)/Background Graphics and Tilemaps#Japanese Version 2|Magnum Killer]]. Also, remember that Fishin' Boo ended up actually based on Spook's early name, Fishing Telesa, which is much more specific to a Boo (Ponkey's possible early name unfortunately happens to be among those in the -only- missing cast slide, which is too bad since it could've helped clear up a few other minor doubts). Sure, I don't see any overt mentions of ''Doki Doki Panic'', but couple the fact that ''Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten'' (which even uses the original spelling of Suichūka) also only retains the Lava/Volcano Lotus connection while keeping Panser separate and, well, I'm sorry to say that I really think our hands are tied unless it ever turns out that another source out there says otherwise. My suggestion would be to, at best, consider the Lotuses as special relatives of Panser, at least for the time being. Mister Wu might have a book that sheds more light. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:25, November 14, 2021 (EST)
==Piranha Plants==
So, in regards to the Frost Piranha/Ice Piranha Plant proposal, if it does pass, are you gonna do the same thing for Putrid Piranha/Poison Piranha Plant? 'Cause their names both translate to Poison Piranha despite the fact they have different Japanese names and different attacks. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]])
:No. Same translation =/= same name and also both are listed separately by ''Ultimate''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:42, November 19, 2021 (EST)

== RE: Debates and Proposals ==

If you saw a specific comment on that proposal, it already happened once that someone made a proposal and disagreed with it. I could have just reversed the order so it looks like I am supporting, but I also made another proposal to settle something and I agreed with it. I’m still learning things. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}

== Is it okay? ==

I made an article for the [[Bowser Memory Koopa Troopa]] just because [[Bowser Memory Boo]] had it’s own article. I put all that I know about it so if you can please check it and see if it is good, I would appreciate it. Just please don’t delete it. {{User:OhoJeeOnFire/sig}}
:Looks good. I fixed some links 'n' such. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:59, November 19, 2021 (EST)

== Moving Pages==
How exactly do you move a page to a new title? I'm trying to move Mario Golf Steve's page to just Steve. Thanks in advance ([[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk))
:You have to be autoconfirmed first, and to do that you need to make five edits and wait a few days. Either way, since "Steve" is currently a disambig page including a prominent developer, it should probably be discussed first. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:28, November 21, 2021 (EST)

==Re:Stu and Kug==
Well, [[tcrf:Super Mario Sunshine/Unused Objects#Kug|TCRF]] says that "kug" is also referred to as "goomba" (kuribo?) in the game's actor list entries, as well as "typical enemy" and "test enemy" supposedly, but the generator drawing is almost certainly related to it in some way. Said "actor list entries" they referenced would be useful for further analysis. Which trailer are you looking at, though? The versions I find are too blurry to make heads or tails of it. On Goomba-related side note, Beanie. I notice that there's a Minion Quest medal when you "Recruit all types of Goomba Minions" - does that count the Beanies and Pestnuts, too? I think that would answer pretty definitively how to classify them. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:56, November 28, 2021 (EST)
:Oh, I see. I didn't actually play the remakes myself, so I wasn't sure. Bandit's connection to Shy Guy is also interesting since there was actually [[Talk:Bandit|confusion]] a while back, so I'd add a mention of that one too for the record. It may be worth checking to see sometime if ''Bowser Jr.'s Journey'' mixes things up. Anyway, Strollin' Stu: I can't discern the facial features, but it looks like it -might- at least be colored closer to the "kug" drawing. What do you suggest? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:18, November 29, 2021 (EST)
::On the other hand, Galoombas are considered relatives instead of variants, and they seem somewhat more derivative of Goomba than Strollin' Stu to me. I'd leave things as is until something comes up that proves a deeper connection beyond a shadow of a doubt. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:09, November 30, 2021 (EST)

== Poison water in Super Paper Mario ==

I remember a while ago [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Poison_(obstacle)&diff=prev&oldid=3177759 you added information about poison water in Super Paper Mario], which I understand is referring to the water in Downtown of Crag in its contaminated state. However, during a recent playthrough of the game I tried this out and did not take damage when falling in the water; the only time I did take damage is from sinking too far, which also happens when the water is no longer contaminated. I must admit that I didn't go to the area accessible only via Dottie before completing the chapter, but I don't see how the poison water would block access to Whacka since there is a warp pipe on the surface which leads there. I'm also not sure if it's just regional differences, but I'd like to know how you got all this. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:04, December 5, 2021 (EST)
:Memory, TBH. I'll try again my next playthrough. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:49, December 5, 2021 (EST)

== Big Monty Mole discussion==

The proposal on the Big Monty Mole talk page looks like it's been resolved, but it still has the unresolved propsal on top. Is there any way to remove it? Because it's been there for a few months. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:18, December 19, 2021 (EST)
:Just remove the {{tem|talk}}. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:54, December 19, 2021 (EST)
::Actually, it was a talk page proposal, so the SettledTPP and ProposalOutcome templates should've been added. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:28, December 19, 2021 (EST)

== Warning ==

{{warning||being a little sh!t}}