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==Powers and Abilities section question==
==Powers and Abilities section question==
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The current order of the biography sections is:
The current order of the biography sections is:


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*Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
*Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
*Yoshi's Island DS
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*New Super Mario Bros.
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*Super Paper Mario
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According to [[MarioWiki: Chronology]], ''SML2'' has been set right after ''SML'', because it is the direct sequel. Also, ''M&L: PiT'' has been set after ''M&L: SS''. '''However''', I don't think Partners in Time counts as a sequel, afaik it is a completely unrelated story with merely the same control system. Fawful doesn't change it. If it would, then PM:TTYD would be the direct sequel to PM (because of Bow). Also, I'm spektical about Mario vs DK 2 and Wrecking Crew '98. Do they belong where they are? Lastly, I think Mario Pinball Land and DDR: Mario Mix should be moved to the Spinoff section. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:35, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
According to [[MarioWiki: Chronology]], ''SML2'' has been set right after ''SML'', because it is the direct sequel. Also, ''M&L: PiT'' has been set after ''M&L: SS''. '''However''', I don't think Partners in Time counts as a sequel, afaik it is a completely unrelated story with merely the same control system. Fawful doesn't change it. If it would, then PM:TTYD would be the direct sequel to PM (because of Bow). Also, I'm spektical about Mario vs DK 2 and Wrecking Crew '98. Do they belong where they are? Lastly, I think Mario Pinball Land and DDR: Mario Mix should be moved to the Spinoff section. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:35, 7 October 2007 (EDT)


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Since Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom wouldn't that make him part toad? (This is all confusing I blame the Nintendo works who mess up his LIFE! His culture!)[[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 19:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)
Since Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom wouldn't that make him part toad? (This is all confusing I blame the Nintendo works who mess up his LIFE! His culture!)[[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 19:07, 19 February 2008 (EST)


:Nope. Just because someone was born somewhere doesn't necessary mean they are something. Err, what I mean is that if a Koopa was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, would that make him part Toad? Or how about Monty Mole? ...I really don't think so. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:Nope. Just because someone was born somewhere doesn't necessary mean they are something. Err, what I mean is that if a Koopa was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, would that make him part Toad? Or how about Monty Mole? ...I really don't think so. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>


::Princess: the deal with Peach is that one of her relatives was a Toad, so she is part Toad.  However, we know [[Mario and Luigi's Parents]] are both human.  This doesn't rule out the possibility that Mario is part Toad, but we have no indication that he is not 100% human. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:22, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::Princess: the deal with Peach is that one of her relatives was a Toad, so she is part Toad.  However, we know [[Mario and Luigi's Parents]] are both human.  This doesn't rule out the possibility that Mario is part Toad, but we have no indication that he is not 100% human. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:22, 19 February 2008 (EST)
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:You forgot to close the <tt><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></tt> tags, so the software considered the bottom half of the page to be part of your reference. Nothing serious, just a <tt><nowiki></ref></nowiki></tt> missing. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 19:45, 22 February 2008 (EST)
:You forgot to close the <tt><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></tt> tags, so the software considered the bottom half of the page to be part of your reference. Nothing serious, just a <tt><nowiki></ref></nowiki></tt> missing. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 19:45, 22 February 2008 (EST)


::Also the refernece thing is real... http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
::Also the refernece thing is real... <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:Sounds like a misunderstanding. Instead of saying "Baby Mario and Baby Peach", you can say "Bab<u>ies</u> Mario and Peach", which means that they are both babies. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 19:48, 22 February 2008 (EST)
:Sounds like a misunderstanding. Instead of saying "Baby Mario and Baby Peach", you can say "Bab<u>ies</u> Mario and Peach", which means that they are both babies. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 19:48, 22 February 2008 (EST)


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So your saying that smash world is different from the mushroom kingdom? And so the people from smash world aren't real deal so there like counterparts? (Confusing!) [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 21:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT)
So your saying that smash world is different from the mushroom kingdom? And so the people from smash world aren't real deal so there like counterparts? (Confusing!) [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 21:37, 24 March 2008 (EDT)


[[Super Smash Bros. World|This article offers more information]]. Technically, the events of Brawl are cannon yet they're in a seperate world. So [[Mario|the real Mario]] has never met [[Solid Snake]] or [[Captain Olimar]] or fought [[Yoshi]] and stuff but the [[trophy|trophy version of Mario]] has. Confusing as it is, Brawl is a different world and universe. A whole different timeline. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
[[Super Smash Bros. World|This article offers more information]]. Technically, the events of Brawl are cannon yet they're in a seperate world. So [[Mario|the real Mario]] has never met [[Solid Snake]] or [[Captain Olimar]] or fought [[Yoshi]] and stuff but the [[trophy|trophy version of Mario]] has. Confusing as it is, Brawl is a different world and universe. A whole different timeline. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>


Princess Grapes: You have it exactly right.  There is as much relation between the "real Mario" (as we're calling him :D) and the "Smash Bros. Mario" as there is between "real Mario" and "[[Super Mario Bros. (film)|movie Mario]]".  The thing is, unlike the movie Mario, Smash Mario is a counterpart (I like how you put that) rather than a completely different character. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 02:05, 25 March 2008 (EDT) I think I made that more confusing.
Princess Grapes: You have it exactly right.  There is as much relation between the "real Mario" (as we're calling him :D) and the "Smash Bros. Mario" as there is between "real Mario" and "[[Super Mario Bros. (film)|movie Mario]]".  The thing is, unlike the movie Mario, Smash Mario is a counterpart (I like how you put that) rather than a completely different character. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 02:05, 25 March 2008 (EDT) I think I made that more confusing.
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Stumps you didn't make it more confusing it make scense! So Mario has 3 counterparts. Melee/brawl Mario Movies Mario SMBSS/SM3S Mario. But they are all fake only the video game Mario is real so that means we finshin the case. (I hope I didn't make I more confusing. Sorry)  [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 17:43, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
Stumps you didn't make it more confusing it make scense! So Mario has 3 counterparts. Melee/brawl Mario Movies Mario SMBSS/SM3S Mario. But they are all fake only the video game Mario is real so that means we finshin the case. (I hope I didn't make I more confusing. Sorry)  [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 17:43, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
:Just an update on this topic.  There are several "incarnations" (if you will) of Mario.  I've made a list of all the officially separated incarnations.  Depending on how all of the sources are connected we may have more, but the following are officially separate.
:Just an update on this topic.  There are several "incarnations" (if you will) of Mario.  I've made a list of all the officially separated incarnations.  Depending on how all of the sources are connected we may have more, but the following are officially separate.
*Mario of Super Mario Bros. - Often referred to as the "canon" or "real" Mario.  Has never been officially separated from ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'', ''[[Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]]'', ''[[Super Mario World (TV series)]]'', ''[[Saturday Supercade]]'', ''[[Nintendo Comics System]]'', etc. In other words, anything else I don't mention on this list.  There are many occurrences, such as remakes, that decentralize this incarnation of Mario, making his history very sketchy and impossible to determine exactly.  For example, is ''[[Super Mario Amada]]'' related at all?  How?
*Mario of Super Mario Bros. - Often referred to as the "canon" or "real" Mario.  Has never been officially separated from ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'', ''[[The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3|Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3]]'', ''[[Super Mario World (TV series)]]'', ''[[Saturday Supercade]]'', ''[[Nintendo Comics System]]'', etc. In other words, anything else I don't mention on this list.  There are many occurrences, such as remakes, that decentralize this incarnation of Mario, making his history very sketchy and impossible to determine exactly.  For example, is ''[[Super Mario Amada]]'' related at all?  How?
*Mario of Super Smash Bros. 1 - The stuffed toy brought to life by Master Hand during the events of the first title.
*Mario of Super Smash Bros. 1 - The stuffed toy brought to life by Master Hand during the events of the first title.
*Mario of Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl - Not officially connected nor disconnected from one another, this incarnation is however officially disconnected from SMB Mario.  Connection from Melee and Brawl is assumed because of the Subspace Emissary's prelude that the trophies were veteran fighters.
*Mario of Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl - Not officially connected nor disconnected from one another, this incarnation is however officially disconnected from SMB Mario.  Connection from Melee and Brawl is assumed because of the Subspace Emissary's prelude that the trophies were veteran fighters.
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When you edit something out, it's not exactly ''oficcial'' artwork anymore. I think the NSMB one is the best, but I'll wait for someone else to confirm that it would be good. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 19:26, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
When you edit something out, it's not exactly ''oficcial'' artwork anymore. I think the NSMB one is the best, but I'll wait for someone else to confirm that it would be good. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 19:26, 4 April 2008 (EDT)


I've found a better one: [[:Image:MP5Mario2.PNG]]. The only thing is that some people might say it's too old to be used as a main picture. But it used to be Wikipedia's, so I think it's good. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 11:25, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
I've found a better one: [[:Image:MP5Mario2.png]]. The only thing is that some people might say it's too old to be used as a main picture. But it used to be Wikipedia's, so I think it's good. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 11:25, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
:I hope you don't mind, I corrected some links and format in your message.  In regards to your concern about the Galaxy image, the image in question was actually two individual artworks merged into one.  You'll notice Tyke's pose is also seen in his artwork (Tyke=Luma if you've played the English version), so I'd still say even with Tyke edited out it would be official.  Anyway... Your MP5 example is fine... go ahead if you want. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:42, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
:I hope you don't mind, I corrected some links and format in your message.  In regards to your concern about the Galaxy image, the image in question was actually two individual artworks merged into one.  You'll notice Tyke's pose is also seen in his artwork (Tyke=Luma if you've played the English version), so I'd still say even with Tyke edited out it would be official.  Anyway... Your MP5 example is fine... go ahead if you want. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:42, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
::I just want someone else's opinion before I change stuff. Come on users, is [[:Image:MP5Mario2.PNG]] good for a main picture? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 10:08, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
::I just want someone else's opinion before I change stuff. Come on users, is [[:Image:MP5Mario2.png]] good for a main picture? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 10:08, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
::Actually, a better quality version of the MPDS Mario picture was uploaded, so now I want to upload that one. Anyone agree? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
::Actually, a better quality version of the MPDS Mario picture was uploaded, so now I want to upload that one. Anyone agree? {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}
ANYONE? Come on, people! 09:27, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
ANYONE? Come on, people! 09:27, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
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::Yeah, we shouldn't do that until someone can find a source that offically says Mario got his PhD or Mushroom Kingdom equivilent. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:31, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
::Yeah, we shouldn't do that until someone can find a source that offically says Mario got his PhD or Mushroom Kingdom equivilent. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:31, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
:::Well, that's not really the point. The point is that Dr. Mario is discussed in a separate article. This article is just about Mario in general. I'm gonna go ahead and remove it, and if someone has an objection they should tell me before slapping the Dr. back on. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 11:20, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
:::Well, that's not really the point. The point is that Dr. Mario is discussed in a separate article. This article is just about Mario in general. I'm gonna go ahead and remove it, and if someone has an objection they should tell me before slapping the Dr. back on. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}} 11:20, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
His surname IS Mario as it refers to the "Mario Bros.". {{unsigned|Miss Koopette}}


== Childhood with Peach and Mario? ==
== Childhood with Peach and Mario? ==
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I noticed the section discussing his appearance  in Super Mario RPG refers to the game appearance being Mario's first time in 3-D. Did you mean, more than just a flat side-scroller, or are you referring to the graphics themselves? If the ladder, that's wrong, if the former, you're right. [[User:Leirin|Leirin]] 17:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)
I noticed the section discussing his appearance  in Super Mario RPG refers to the game appearance being Mario's first time in 3-D. Did you mean, more than just a flat side-scroller, or are you referring to the graphics themselves? If the ladder, that's wrong, if the former, you're right. [[User:Leirin|Leirin]] 17:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:Either way, I'm sure the passing reader is going to think 3D graphics rather than "not a side-scroller." {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:Either way, I'm sure the passing reader is going to think 3D graphics rather than "not a side-scroller." {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)
== Wario in Super Mario 64 DS? ==
I know that it already happened but, why was Wario in Super Mario 64 DS? I mean why would Princess Peach invite him!? {{User|Danielnator1}}
Maybe she didn't want Wario to get angry at her for not inviting, having another foe and kidnaping her. She's been kidnapped heaps of times.
14:19, 22 January 2009 (EST)
:For future reference, a question about a game's plot should be placed on the game's talk page, in this case [[Talk:Super Mario 64 DS]].  You can also chat about games on our forum (on the left hand navigation bar).  But, onto you question: As of ''[[Mario Party]]'', we know Wario was one of Mario's close friends due to the game's narration, and they have remained so from that point on.  Peach invited Wario to her castle in ''[[Mario Party 3]]''.  However, their friendship goes way back: according to the first ''[[Mario vs. Wario]]'' comic, the two were playmates as children.  Though Wario remembers these incidents with anger, Mario remembers them with fondness.  In the second comic, Peach invites Wario to her birthday party.  If one assumes that earlier published events happened earlier (except where noted), that would mean that at some point after ''[[Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins]]'', where Wario stole Mario's castle, the two must have become friends once again.  However, there is still some antagonism between Mario and Wario, as seen in ''[[Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix]]''.  Now, for the out-of-universe answer: Wario became one of the most popular Mario characters following ''Super Mario Land 2'', and got his first starring role just a few short years later in ''[[Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3]]''.  Compare that to [[Donkey Kong]], who finally got his own series many many years after his original appearance.  In fact, Wario's popularity is comparable to [[Yoshi|Yoshi's]], who also got his first staring role very shortly after his first appearance.  Since then, the ''[[Wario (series)|Wario]]'' spin-off series has developed around him, proving his popularity.  As you know, the three characters I mentioned above all headline a spin-off series (the ''Wario, [[Yoshi (series)|Yoshi]], and [[Donkey Kong (series)|Donkey Kong]]'' series respectively, and as such [[Nintendo]] considers them popular enough to be characters in the various ''Mario'' spin-offs and to be referenced in some of [[Mario]]'s main adventures.  {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:31, 22 January 2009 (EST)
== The Star Gate Quote ==
I don't have the one with Luigi but here it is what it said about Mario:
"''You are true and courageous. Your heart is filled with virtue and concern for your brother. I do recomend you watch your diet, however it is also filled with much Alfreado sauce. You should especially cut down on carbora, though it will be hard, for that is very tasty. If you curb your appetite, do some light cardio work and continue to ward your brother. You will no doubt grow to be a figure of immense popularity, yet not grow an immense belly. You may pass and I do recomend puttanesca; that stuff is great.''"
It makes some points and we should mention them if they are not mentioned already:
* Mario likes eating alfreado sauce and carbora so that's why he needs to be on a diet
* Mario really trusts Luigi (my bro is just so annoying)
* Puttanesca ISN'T great. I've tried it and I don't like it
[[User:Miss Koopette|Queen of Koopas]] 14:19, 22 January 2009 (EST)
:Thanks for posting that quote!  We need to create a list of implied foods throughout the series, which includes the Alfredo sauce, carbora, and puttanesca.  This also confirms that Mario enjoys Italian food, something that was previously stated repeatedly in the ''Super Show'' and then seemingly dropped from the rest of the series. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)
You're welcome. I will try to complete the game again. if I can and I hope I'll get the quote for Luigi. {{unsigned|Miss Koopette}}
== Non-cannonical content ==
Why is there non-cannonical content on the biography ? Educative games don't count, nor other medias that video games.
[[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 14:27, 22 January 2009 (EST)
:Please see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] and refrain from removing the content.  Also know that this article is severely out of date in terms of Wiki article organization policy.  Please see [[Mama Mario]] for an example of how articles ''should'' be organized, particularly in terms of video games versus other sources.  So, don't remove the content, simply reformat the article per policy (you can find the whole policy on our FAQ pages, etc.) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:34, 22 January 2009 (EST)
::See [[MarioWiki: Manual of Style]] for more details. Also I believe [[Bowser]] follows the policy pretty well. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:::Thank you, that was the page I was looking for.  Koopalmier, feel free to discuss the page with me on my [[User talk:Stumpers|talk page]] = I'm looking to get a group of interested people working on the article. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:49, 22 January 2009 (EST)
::::Well, the whole page is non-"cannon"ical. I don't see any Bullet Bill Blaster on it... --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:02, 22 January 2009 (EST)
:::::"Leapin' lasagna, Luigi!  Blitzwing made a better joke than we ever did!" {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 17:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)
== He's Italian ==
Mario is italian, unfortunetly, I can't edit due to a protection. Please unprotect, I was chosen to edit. Mario is italian. Who denies, hates him.[[User:FoodGourmet55|FoodGourmet55]] 13:00, 23 January 2009 (EST)
:In time, you will be allowed to edit protected articles.  In the meantime, please be aware that this article needs more work than perhaps any other article on the Wiki, and so many things, such as Mario's race as established by [[Charles Martinet]]'s comments, may or may not be included.  Also, please refrain from making assertions that anyone who does not agree with you hates Mario.  Such assertions go against our policies, in which one is to assume good faith in other users' edits unless said edits are obviously vandalism, etc. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:56, 23 January 2009 (EST)
::Mario isn't Italian. He born and lived in the Mushroom Kingdom. Charles Martinet gave him an Italian accent for fun. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 18:13, 23 January 2009 (EST)
:::Actually, Martinet was explicitly asked to provide the voice of an Italian plumber from Brooklyn.  Ergo... {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 03:47, 24 January 2009 (EST)
I agree with with all of you. Mario is Italian and the aritcle is the most important in the whole wiki. Nintendo Staff said that most of the Mario fans can make up things about Mario so I will ask them if '''Rossi''' is a suitable surname for him. It's Italian (like his first name), it's similar to the word "Rosso" (which means red) and I read somewhere that it's the most popular surname in Italy. If Nintendo comfirms it, can we show the changes?
[[User:Miss Koopette|Queen of Koopas]] 09:32, 1 February 2009 (EST)
:Provided you have adequate documentation, we would have to mention it, yes, but I'm not sure how one would adequately document an e-mail... :P His surname of Mario has been confirmed here and there, as well, although originally Nintendo said they didn't have last names. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:00, 1 February 2009 (EST)~
== Non-Canon Appearances ==
Are we aloud to put non-canon appearances here, such as a Mario appearance on The Simpsons, pop-culture, etc? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[File:Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png|30px]]
:If notable enough, those appearances can go in the Trivia section.  Otherwise, they should be placed in the [[references]] pages. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}