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:I've seen te various sentences in both ''Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam'' and ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' and I don't know how much of the character they present, I mean I tend to see them as being as informative as "Right behind you, Brother!", in that this simple sentence tells us that he wants to follow his brother Ludwig's moves, summarizing what he does in both M&LPJ and in the victory animations of the 3DS version of ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games'' (and in both games you can indeed see that he also gets dizzy after spinning like his brother, reinforcing the connection)... speaking of the latter, if we go with the Wii U version we actually also have this sentence: "Heya! I'm Larry, and I'm here to root for King Bowser. I actually wanted to just hang with friends, but he's the king, ya know? What's a Koopaling gonna do? Still, I can't complain - I've been having a blast here in Rio. Wish I'd had a chance to fix this crazy hair of mine before going out though...". It tells us a bit about him (what he wants to do, his current relationship with Bowser and his care for his hair that he considers crazy), but since it mentions Rio, I don't know if it would fit well.<br /> | :I've seen te various sentences in both ''Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam'' and ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' and I don't know how much of the character they present, I mean I tend to see them as being as informative as "Right behind you, Brother!", in that this simple sentence tells us that he wants to follow his brother Ludwig's moves, summarizing what he does in both M&LPJ and in the victory animations of the 3DS version of ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games'' (and in both games you can indeed see that he also gets dizzy after spinning like his brother, reinforcing the connection)... speaking of the latter, if we go with the Wii U version we actually also have this sentence: "Heya! I'm Larry, and I'm here to root for King Bowser. I actually wanted to just hang with friends, but he's the king, ya know? What's a Koopaling gonna do? Still, I can't complain - I've been having a blast here in Rio. Wish I'd had a chance to fix this crazy hair of mine before going out though...". It tells us a bit about him (what he wants to do, his current relationship with Bowser and his care for his hair that he considers crazy), but since it mentions Rio, I don't know if it would fit well.<br /> | ||
:Anyway, the sentences from PMCS out of context aren't much more understandable, in that the reader who enters the page probably does not know the story of the Sunset Express and what happened before these sentences, so in my opinion this is not an appropriate criterion. I think we should instead try to understand how much of Larry's personality we can deduce from the quotes (as an example, Iggy's current quote is “Lemmy! That was…CRAZY! Bahaha!”; you cannot really understand the context, but you can see Iggy's craziness and special brotherly relationship with Lemmy).--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:01, 26 November 2016 (EST) | :Anyway, the sentences from PMCS out of context aren't much more understandable, in that the reader who enters the page probably does not know the story of the Sunset Express and what happened before these sentences, so in my opinion this is not an appropriate criterion. I think we should instead try to understand how much of Larry's personality we can deduce from the quotes (as an example, Iggy's current quote is “Lemmy! That was…CRAZY! Bahaha!”; you cannot really understand the context, but you can see Iggy's craziness and special brotherly relationship with Lemmy).--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:01, 26 November 2016 (EST) | ||
== Probably Switched Quotes == | |||
I dont think that Larry said that Ludwig was his backup, I think it was Ludwig that said that. [[User:Killer|Killer]] ([[User talk:Killer|talk]]) 16:43, October 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
I think Ludwig said that Larry was his backup. [[User:Killer|Killer]] ([[User talk:Killer|talk]]) 16:44, October 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:[https://youtu.be/0UdSYJQKHGI?list=PL7RjQqHgsQeSO7oCcR8AQ2P3bIis0vOyn&t=2192 It's actually a correct transcription of the dialogue]. As in the other quote, "Fine! But I’m doing it of my own free will, not because you’re some kind of leader...", the dialogue portrays Larry as someone who doesn't always consider Ludwig to be his leader, when the battles begin though he ends up calling him boss and following him.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:54, October 19, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Larry Koopa's age == | |||
So, not sure how good of a source you all would consider this. But I was talking to Michelle Hippe in DMs and she told me she when she was auditioning for doing Larry Koopa's voice, she was asked to make gibberish talk like a [https://twitter.com/LarryKoopaBest/status/1325323565533683712/photo/1 13-year-old boy.] However, if this isn't a very valid source, then I understand, considering it isn't Nintendo flat out saying Larry is 13, heheh, I'm sorry for starting this, I'm just really excited and happy about this! I'm also pretty happy I accurately guessed that (specifically I guessed "somewhere between 11 and 14 years old" which was my range she was talking about) based entirely on the way Larry is written in the RPGs (Color Splash, Minion Quest and Bowser Junior's Journey) and Mario and Sonic. --[[User:GoldyFish110|GoldyFish110]] ([[User talk:GoldyFish110|talk]]) 02:02, November 8, 2020 (EST) | |||
:Sorry but we don't use that sort of thing as a valid source. It has to come from official Nintendo material for it to be accepted here. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} | |||
::[[Wario#Nationality|Information from the voice actors is definitely accepted here]]. Plus, ''Mario Kart Tour'' confirmed that the Koopalings are older than Bowser Jr.. My only question is if Michelle Hippe confirms the information and is fine with the DM being published - a source that is then quickly redacted ot outright removed might be problematic.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 08:44, November 8, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::Ah heck, I didn't think about that I just got really excited and acted without thinking, should I ask her if she's okay with that? (If not, I remove the DM screenshot from Twitter, but I did ask her that so that I can use the information in LarryDS, which I made clear when asking her about it) Also, Bowser Junior's Journey also confirmed the Koopalings are older than Bowser Junior. (Or more like heavily implied it) Actually, I'll probably go ahead and ask her if she's okay with the DM being used as a source on the Mario wiki as well (I'll say I got excited and told the Mario wiki about the DM, I know she's okay with it being used for source in LarryDS because that was the original question because I wanted to put a number on his age in LarryDS, just like I am doing for his height, making his height 78.7cm which is based on calcs with Mario and Sonic because I gave up trying to get the answer from Super Mario Odyssey and Origami King's Monster Fish seems to make Paper Mario to scale with Paper Jam Mario where Paper Jam Mario was basically the size of Mario and Sonic Mario, but that's besides anything, heheh... I don't want to use sources I'm unsure of, so that's one of the reasons I'm so obsessed with getting all this correct, lol) Also "Sorry, but we don't use that sort of thing as a valid source. It has to come from official Nintendo material for it to be accepted here." Says a person on the wiki that lists Mario's height as 150cm based on a large figure, lol... (Literally all I need left is to be able to do this kind of thing in relation to Mario's height, lol) --[[User:GoldyFish110|GoldyFish110]] ([[User talk:GoldyFish110|talk]]) 12:10, November 8, 2020 (EST) | |||
::::Never be rude toward people, plus I already addressed the point that was made. I definitely think that asking Michelle Hippe is appropriate before posting and citing a DM, she's talking about her professional life.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:46, November 8, 2020 (EST) | |||
:::::The "says you" thing was a joke, lol, sorry if that came off as rude. And yeah, I think it'd be appropriate to ask her as well. I jokingly said that but I can see how you saw it as rude. --[[User:GoldyFish110|GoldyFish110]] ([[User talk:GoldyFish110|talk]]) 15:57, November 8, 2020 (EST) | |||
== (RE) Larry Koopa's age == | |||
Michelle Hippe told me [https://ibb.co/PT0m5XF she is okay with the DM being used] on here, so that's awesome! And when it does get documented, should "Larry Koopa's age" have a similar section of it's own like "Wario's Nationality" talking about the DM conversation and how Michelle Hippe said that she was specifically asked to talk gibberish like a 13 year old boy, or would "Larry Koopa is 13 years old[citation]" just be added somewhere into one of the already existing sections of Larry's wiki page? --[[User:GoldyFish110|GoldyFish110]] ([[User talk:GoldyFish110|talk]]) 11:39, November 9, 2020 (EST) | |||
:Considering that it would only be a few sentences at best, I don't think an entire section is necessary. However, I would suggest against specifically saying Larry is 13. It's never said in the DMs that Larry ''is'' actually 13, only that his actress was told to voice him ''like'' he was 13, and it should be worded very carefully to reflect that. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:10, November 9, 2020 (EST) | |||
::Ah yes, of course, that only makes sense, heheh. I would say if she was asked to talk gibberish like a 13 year old boy, then that is likely their vision for his age, however, it is important to reflect the way the actual source is written as opposed to going off the rails of trustworthy (kinda like the Mario statue goes off the rails of trustworthy- okay I'll stop with that) as this is just they asked her to voice him like a 13 year old rather than him being outright stated as 13. --[[User:GoldyFish110|GoldyFish110]] ([[User talk:GoldyFish110|talk]]) 12:13, November 9, 2020 (EST) | |||
== Cheatsy Koopa == | |||
Hello… why does my edit was detel ? Larry is the second oldest in cartoon but the youngest in games [[Special:Contributions/90.3.147.74|90.3.147.74]] 10:50, March 19, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Do you have proof for this? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:12, March 19, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Well… that the actual canon, Larry is the youngest in video games and the second oldest in cartoons [[Special:Contributions/90.22.240.13|90.22.240.13]] 09:19, March 30, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== That Super Mario World German Guide == | |||
Heya, so I added to the fourth point in Trivia how the source isn't a good source because the same source claims Lemmy Koopa to be the youngest even though Larry canonically is, and my edit got reverted for being an "informal unnecessary comment" but I disagree. I feel like this is worth noting. Is there a more formal way of letting people know that the German Guidebook isn't a canon-accurate source? Because obviously I can't really type "formal" or "professional" at all, and I personally don't want users to come to this wiki, look at the fourth trivial bullet point, look at the source, find the part claiming Lemmy to be the youngest, and then say Lemmy is the youngest because it was in a source referenced by the Mario wiki, even though he factually is not, because Larry is the youngest. | |||
--[[User:GoldyFish110|GoldyFish110]] ([[User talk:GoldyFish110|talk]]) 02:40, October 9, 2022 (EDT)GoldyFish110 | |||
:It's not our job to tell people which sources are "accurate", since that's subjective anyway (see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]], Nintendo hasn't established a clear canon so all licensed material is on the same tier). All we can do is provide the information and note discrepancies where they appear. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:27, October 19, 2022 (EDT) | |||