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::I am willing to work with you to modify the sentence. If you want to change the wording to something along the lines of ''"The story takes place at some point in time following the events of Mario Bros. after he arrived in the Mushroom Kingdom through a clay pipe...''" or something else, but it needs to stay in the story section of the article as its part of the story. You can't just removed sourced material from its sections. [[User:SuperMarioSuperShow|SuperMarioSuperShow]] ([[User talk:SuperMarioSuperShow|talk]]) 15:09, May 5, 2023 (EDT) | ::I am willing to work with you to modify the sentence. If you want to change the wording to something along the lines of ''"The story takes place at some point in time following the events of Mario Bros. after he arrived in the Mushroom Kingdom through a clay pipe...''" or something else, but it needs to stay in the story section of the article as its part of the story. You can't just removed sourced material from its sections. [[User:SuperMarioSuperShow|SuperMarioSuperShow]] ([[User talk:SuperMarioSuperShow|talk]]) 15:09, May 5, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:::I don't see why it needs to stay in the plot section when it's pretty much not part of the actual plot of the game. Miyamoto calls it a "shadow setting" (meaning a backstory that isn't implemented or established in official material), and Mario and Luigi going down a pipe is not mentioned as part of the "Bowser kidnapping Peach" plot which the game centers around. It's not specified when or how Mario got there, just that that's how Miyamoto originally envisioned how Mario went from being a plumber in New York to being in the Muhsroom Kingdom. I'd be happy to open this to discussion to other users since we clearly disagree on the matter, but listing it in the plot section when it's not specified HOW exactly this fits into the story feels more like theorycrafting about the series' nebulous canon than actually keeping things encyclopedic. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 15:20, May 5, 2023 (EDT) | :::I don't see why it needs to stay in the plot section when it's pretty much not part of the actual plot of the game. Miyamoto calls it a "shadow setting" (meaning a backstory that isn't implemented or established in official material), and Mario and Luigi going down a pipe is not mentioned as part of the "Bowser kidnapping Peach" plot which the game centers around. It's not specified when or how Mario got there, just that that's how Miyamoto originally envisioned how Mario went from being a plumber in New York to being in the Muhsroom Kingdom. I'd be happy to open this to discussion to other users since we clearly disagree on the matter, but listing it in the plot section when it's not specified HOW exactly this fits into the story feels more like theorycrafting about the series' nebulous canon than actually keeping things encyclopedic. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 15:20, May 5, 2023 (EDT) | ||
::::Not only is there no agreed upon definition of "shadow setting" or dictionary term, but he also uses a clearer term in the first article 裏設定 ''"background setting"'' which does have an agreed upon definition: a backstory. Again, the sentence already addresses the "when" as some point afterwards, but we can change the sentence to better reflect that if you wish. It needs to stay in the story section because Miyamoto explicitly stated its part of ''Super Mario Bros.'' story ''"Super Mario Bros. is the result of that clay pipe leading to the mysterious forest (Mushroom Kingdom)"''. The same way his statement ''"Donkey Kong is set in New York"'' is part of [[Donkey Kong (game)#Story|''Donkey Kong''’s story]]. Removing either of those sourced statements from their section is disruptive. [[User:SuperMarioSuperShow|SuperMarioSuperShow]] ([[User talk:SuperMarioSuperShow|talk]]) 16:39, May 5, 2023 (EDT) | |||