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:Yes, we better look out for fake pictures. Also, I support the full protection. It's just going to get spammy and fake-y. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:Yes, we better look out for fake pictures. Also, I support the full protection. It's just going to get spammy and fake-y. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>


Maybe full protection could be a good idea, but we should definitely unprotect one day before JPN release. About the fake image and rising speculation, it would be best to describe it here. On a side note, when removing [[Template:Newsubject]], please update the article as well, removing terms like "will be" and "upcoming" in the articles with the template.{{User:Knife/sig}} 15:46, 27 January 2008 (EST)
Maybe full protection could be a good idea, but we should definitely unprotect one day before JPN release. About the fake image and rising speculation, it would be best to describe it here. On a side note, when removing [[Template:new subject]], please update the article as well, removing terms like "will be" and "upcoming" in the articles with the template.{{User:Knife/sig}} 15:46, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:Template:Newsubject has a note attached to it which is underlined and says that the template ''<u>stays</u>'' until the article has been updated. So within the first days, we shouldn't remove anything.
:Template:new subject has a note attached to it which is underlined and says that the template ''<u>stays</u>'' until the article has been updated. So within the first days, we shouldn't remove anything.
:Also, I said it should be protected at exactly the time of the release, where they will be the most spam and unconfirmed info. Before or after the protection wouldn't make much sense. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:49, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:Also, I said it should be protected at exactly the time of the release, where they will be the most spam and unconfirmed info. Before or after the protection wouldn't make much sense. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:49, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::I believe, ET USA, from noon on 1/30 to noon 1/31 is good for a full protection time. In Japan that's like at 5-6am 1/31 to 2/1. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 16:28, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::I believe, ET USA, from noon on 1/30 to noon 1/31 is good for a full protection time. In Japan that's like at 5-6am 1/31 to 2/1. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 16:28, 27 January 2008 (EST)
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:::On second thought, it doesn't seem like a good idea. We've never had to take these many precautions for any pre-game releases and I think we are overestimating the potential vandalism for this page. Semi-protection is enough to keep those new spammers out, at least for a while. But it is definitely not worth removing other regular users right to expand this page in fear of vandals. And if it does get heavily vandalized, we can always sort things out later. I know there will be vandalism that day, but not as much vandalism as you guys are thinking about.{{User:Knife/sig}} 19:45, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:::On second thought, it doesn't seem like a good idea. We've never had to take these many precautions for any pre-game releases and I think we are overestimating the potential vandalism for this page. Semi-protection is enough to keep those new spammers out, at least for a while. But it is definitely not worth removing other regular users right to expand this page in fear of vandals. And if it does get heavily vandalized, we can always sort things out later. I know there will be vandalism that day, but not as much vandalism as you guys are thinking about.{{User:Knife/sig}} 19:45, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::That's possibly true. I wouldn't be able to do it after Wayoshi's plan anyway, it would be around midnight for me. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:50, 28 January 2008 (EST)
::That's possibly true. I wouldn't be able to do it after Wayoshi's plan anyway, it would be around midnight for me. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:50, 28 January 2008 (EST)
There seem to be more items pictured in that picture than we have listed.  Does anyone know what they are?


== Wind Waker character design ==
== Wind Waker character design ==


{{LLquote|Right. The development for Smash Bros. Melee began soon after the GameCube was released and we had to design each character from scratch. This time, however, we were able to borrow characters from various development teams, which was a big help. Take The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess from the Zelda series for example. We were able to design the Smash Bros. characters by adapting them just as they were modeled for the original titles.|[[Masahiro Sakurai]]|[http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol5_page3.jsp Wii.com - Iwata Asks: Super Smash Bros. Brawl, vol. 5, page 3]}}
{{quote|Right. The development for Smash Bros. Melee began soon after the GameCube was released and we had to design each character from scratch. This time, however, we were able to borrow characters from various development teams, which was a big help. Take The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess from the Zelda series for example. We were able to design the Smash Bros. characters by adapting them just as they were modeled for the original titles.|[[Masahiro Sakurai]]|[http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol5_page3.jsp Wii.com - Iwata Asks: Super Smash Bros. Brawl, vol. 5, page 3]}}


It's pretty obvious in here that they have designed a Wind Waker character - just leaves the question whether playable or assist trophy, unlikely cut-out when he mentions it now. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:57, 28 January 2008 (EST)
It's pretty obvious in here that they have designed a Wind Waker character - just leaves the question whether playable or assist trophy, unlikely cut-out when he mentions it now. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:57, 28 January 2008 (EST)
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:::We could move it to a separate article which is in [[:Category:Music]], it's generally done with soundtracks. The list of componists could stay in this article or be moved, I'm not sure. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:22, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:::We could move it to a separate article which is in [[:Category:Music]], it's generally done with soundtracks. The list of componists could stay in this article or be moved, I'm not sure. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:22, 8 February 2008 (EST)
::::Now that I think of it, the staff section usually also gets split into an article. But currently we don't have Brawl's full credits, so I'm unsure where to put the composers' section. It can stay in the article until we find a solution. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:31, 8 February 2008 (EST)
::::Now that I think of it, the staff section usually also gets split into an article. But currently we don't have Brawl's full credits, so I'm unsure where to put the composers' section. It can stay in the article until we find a solution. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:31, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:::Hold up here, what's all this about "noteworthy" information?  That's really vague.  But, seeing as the music is something that Sakurai has always stressed on his site and in his interview with Iwata (and others, too, I remember), it's definately important info.  Not that it has to be in this article, of course. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:21, 10 February 2008 (EST)


== Split up Pokémon Trainer? ==
== Split up Pokémon Trainer? ==
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ZSS and Sheik have their own profiles on the OFFICAL SITE, the PT's pokemon do not. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
ZSS and Sheik have their own profiles on the OFFICAL SITE, the PT's pokemon do not. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:The official site isn't the only possible way of organizing Brawl content. We don't want to have a copy of it on this page. This is the '''Mario Wiki''' article on Brawl, not the Dojo. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:40, 8 February 2008 (EST)
::Are you inmplying we know better then the people who made the game? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:::No. We don't "know better" when splitting the Pokémon Trainer up into three entries on our list. We just take a different approach on ordering. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:44, 8 February 2008 (EST)
::::I'm just saying if the site identifies them as one character, then that's clearly the way it's supposed to work. How about we spli up the Ice Climbers while we're at it? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:::::>.> Splitting up Pokémon Trainer is mainly done for practical reasons. Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard have a moveset on their own. Zelda and Sheik have, too, as do Samus and Zero Suit Samus. Ice Climbers do not, the second Ice Climber isn't even playable. This is the way the characters fit best in to the table, that's all. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:52, 8 February 2008 (EST)
::::::Eehheheheheh, actually, the second Ice Climber is playable (Costume Change), but I agree with you, the Pokemons are distinct enough to have their own articles. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 11:56, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:::::We're currently not talking about articles, but about spaces in the Characters table. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:02, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:::::: D'oh, I am such a doofus. Well, if they have different statistics and moveset, I say they are atleast deserving of their own places on the table. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:06, 8 February 2008 (EST)


== More ways to unlock the hidden characters? ==
== More ways to unlock the hidden characters? ==
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Are this ways true? [[Luigi-Tron 3000]]
Are this ways true? [[Luigi-Tron 3000]]
:Ness's and Marth's alternate ways of unlocking have already stated like that on the Dojo. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:39, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:Ness's and Marth's alternate ways of unlocking have already stated like that on the Dojo. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:39, 8 February 2008 (EST)
== New boss again ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCKZnVy8AMw
Game and Watch Robot guy boss!
[[Luigi-Tron 3000]]
== All Star boss mode ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_s5fwuH-Ik
Like all star mode,but with bosses.And also,Crazy Hand is in!
[[Luigi-Tron 3000]]
== location from the Melee in the Brawl!!!! ==
watch this [http://youtube.com/watch?v=G1Me_o1Fq_0 video].0_o {{user:Gissy/sig}}
:Yes, that's [[Yoshi's Island (location)|Yoshi's Island]] from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'', which was confirmed on the [http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage21.html Melee Stages: Part 2] update. In other words, we already know that stage is returning, but, thanks anyway. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
Oh. {{user:Gissy/sig}}
:lol, I love the ending, Gissy.  I guess those blocks will defy all logic in this title, too. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:25, 10 February 2008 (EST)
== European Release date confirmed ==
It will be released in Europe on June 6, 2008.
Links (both dutch sites):
http://www.nonly.nl/nieuws/4655/Releasedatum_Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_bekend/
http://www.gamersnet.nl/nieuws/200802/super_smash_bros_brawl_verschijnt_6_juni_in_europa/
Now all we need is the Australian release date. {{User: King Boo/sig}}
:Also confirmed by [http://www.wiiz.fr/article.php?a=16500 this French site]. News didn't seem to reach the English-speaking world yet. - [[User:Cobold|Cobold, <small>Oh my, that's gonna be another four months waiting</small>]] 12:32, 19 February 2008 (EST)
== '''More Items?''' ==
It seems that there are more items than we have explained.  Does anyone know anything about these articles? {{unsigned|Clover456}}
== Incomplete? ==
Why is the plot incomplete?{{User:Mariofanical/sig}} 21:53, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:I'm guessing the writer of the plot never bothered finishing it-and none of us have the game 'cuss its not released in America yet so we don't know the plot. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:Well that was a waste of reading{{User:Mariofanical/sig}} 17:10, 20 February 2008 (EST)
== Storyline ==
As I've actually SEEN the videos (I don't remember Toon Link being with Kirby at the start), I'd like to request that I be in charge of telling the story. [[User:PaperBowser|PaperBowser]] 15:19, 22 February 2008 (EST)
:Or for that matter, make a new article on the summary of the story? [[User:PaperBowser|PaperBowser]] 15:23, 22 February 2008 (EST)
::I think we should merge the Storyline section into the Subspace Emissary section, they're literally the same. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 07:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:::So PaperBowser is in charge now{{User:Mariofanical/sig}} 13:32, 24 February 2008 (EST)
::Actually, no one can be "in charge" of editing anything if I understand it right. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:06, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:::Stumpers is right. Anyone can edit. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
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