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Hey, how do you think we should handle the renaming of [[Venus Flower Trap]]? I'm not sure of the book lists it as one or two words, and that will make all the difference. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:53, 18 February 2019 (EST) | Hey, how do you think we should handle the renaming of [[Venus Flower Trap]]? I'm not sure of the book lists it as one or two words, and that will make all the difference. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:53, 18 February 2019 (EST) | ||
:No idea. By the way, do you know what the true origin of {{ | :No idea. By the way, do you know what the true origin of {{file link|SMB2Ninji.png|this}} artwork is? It's been alternatively labeled as Nintendo Power artwork and ''Super Mario Advance'' artwork. For all I know, it's SMUSA artwork, since I can't find a .pdf of that manual. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:11, 18 February 2019 (EST) | ||
::The proto-SMA Ninji art seems to be considered its SMW art, being in various JP guides and the pinball table. Regarding the Goomba thing, probably, but I don't feel as strongly about it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:31, 20 February 2019 (EST) | ::The proto-SMA Ninji art seems to be considered its SMW art, being in various JP guides and the pinball table. Regarding the Goomba thing, probably, but I don't feel as strongly about it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:31, 20 February 2019 (EST) | ||
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They probably weren't ''just'' going off the names, they probably searched for said names to see context of what each entity is, and if it had a viable English name. The fact that "Hootie the Blue Fish" was discarded leads me to believe they were showing at least some discretion regarding how good a prior official name was). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:09, March 25, 2019 (EDT) | They probably weren't ''just'' going off the names, they probably searched for said names to see context of what each entity is, and if it had a viable English name. The fact that "Hootie the Blue Fish" was discarded leads me to believe they were showing at least some discretion regarding how good a prior official name was). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:09, March 25, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:In which case they may have looked through the history and decided "Well, we don't have any official English name for this dandelion thing, and translating it straight wouldn't make sense, but this name is concise, makes sense, and aligns with what we would have come up with anyway, we might as well adopt it." Exiling a name permanently because it had been a conjectural name before and was potentially used by game sources seems a tad silly when it's not in active defiance of logic and common sense (like Davisson's veered into often) or defiance of previous literature (which "Ghost" is, but they probably saw the little blue "1" and thought that meant it was totally legit, not finding it in the NP guide). SMBE and "Rudy the Clown" are additionally in defiance of prior English names, with the latter admittedly having already gone through a name change ''and'' being a mention created for the English version. Watage Pakkun on the other hand was in the original JP script for its appearance, so appropriating a concise name for they otherwise didn't have an English name for was arguably the most reasonable thing they could have done. It's not like they should be prohibited from using the same name as one used by fans in sparing instances, if the only other choice is "make a less-concise name." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:25, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::That seems extraneous. It's their first English name from an official source, saying they were "originally" known that in the same manner that Galoomba was "originally" known as Goomba is horribly misleading. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:42, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::Dr. Scienstein has different names across those appearances in Japanese, though, too. Anyways, if something is in a game, we don't ''need'' to cite it, meaning we can't really cite ourselves anyway, not even figuratively for that matter. It's out there, it's official, and it wasn't something created specifically for the translated version of the game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:39, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::We wouldn't cite it. We'd leave the name citationless. Because it's an in-game name. Again, I cannot stress this enough, saying that a formerly-conjectural name for an entity without a prior English name is ''prohibited'' for Nintendo to use is petty at best and pretentious and self-destructive at worst. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:50, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
Sorry to butt in on this discussion, but what's usually done when a subject is unnamed in its debut appearance and receives a name in a later game? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 21:56, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Re: Triforce Wiki == | == Re: Triforce Wiki == | ||
i mean i did start it, but i want it to be for everyone. I'm currently trying to get it independently hosted--putting it on ShoutWiki was just a temporary solution/fix for preserving the content written on Zelda Archive, which Hylian pi decided is best as his own personal project (seeing as he doesnt like collaboration, which i disagree with but anyway). Triforce Wiki is just a base for getting a new Zelda wiki off the ground, and I dont plan to be like the admin/crat of the wiki since i dont know absolutely everything. I'd rather someone better experienced have the role (and there's already interest for a new zelda wiki). [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 18:52, March 25, 2019 (EDT) | i mean i did start it, but i want it to be for everyone. I'm currently trying to get it independently hosted--putting it on ShoutWiki was just a temporary solution/fix for preserving the content written on Zelda Archive, which Hylian pi decided is best as his own personal project (seeing as he doesnt like collaboration, which i disagree with but anyway). Triforce Wiki is just a base for getting a new Zelda wiki off the ground, and I dont plan to be like the admin/crat of the wiki since i dont know absolutely everything. I'd rather someone better experienced have the role (and there's already interest for a new zelda wiki). [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 18:52, March 25, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:And i moved it to http://zeldawiki.info/ [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 10:51, April 30, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Yoshi Colors == | |||
I somehow completely missed that proposal, otherwise I would've said something then. I would've opposed for two reasons: | |||
# As is pointed out, the different colors have different abilities. This is most noticeable in ''Super Mario World'', ''Yoshi's Story'', ''Super Mario Sunshine'', ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' (kinda), and ''Mario Tennis Open''. Yes, most of the time, the colors are simple palette swaps, but the separate abilities should still be noted. | |||
# Not every color Yoshi appears in the same games as the others. It would be easier to have a list of what games they appear in on their separate pages. | |||
Since the proposal only mentioned ''Super Mario World'' and ''Yoshi's Story'', how do you plan to incorporate this information into [[Yoshi (species)]]? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:04, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Alright then. Article's asking for a rewrite anyway, so looking forward to seeing how this all comes together. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:49, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==Nipper Dandelion== | |||
I do plan on making a proposal but it would be preferable if a change was made by discussion instead to not have to wait two weeks for a TPP that seemingly has a large support for it to finish. Anyways, why would referring to Nipper Dandelions to their JPN name for the ''YIDS'' section nessecary, as it is not like they had an English name and were renamed, and I fail to see how that would affect anything regarding potential plagiarism. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 19:26, March 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||