MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/51: Difference between revisions

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===Create a template for FA archives===

[[User:Baby Luigi|Baby Luigi]]'s proposed system has been a success so far. However, since we use a template for most archives, why not this one? The table columns are long and repetitive enough to get cumbersome to archive, anyways, so I propose we use a template for archiving featuring (as well as unfeaturing) nominations. '''I have two drafts, which you can view [[User:Toadette the Achiever/FAArchive|here]] and [[User:Toadette the Achiever/FAArchive/Header|here]].'''

===Add a small link to [[MarioWiki:Appeals]] in the reminder/warning/last warning templates===

We have an appeal system that is not used a whole lot, and one of the reasons it's not used is simply because it's not that visible; it requires digging around our maintenance and policy pages to find it, so many users may not even know that such a system exists. Some of us do manually link to there when we occasionally hand out the templates, but why not make the process automatic? After all, this system is directly linked to those templates, and I don't see any reason to segregate the two processes entirely.

Here's an example of what I want these to look like

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===Delete the articles for ''Galaxy'' and ''Galaxy 2'''s conjecturally-named "minigames"===

We currently have articles on four "minigames" from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'', namely [[ray surfing]], [[Bob-omb Blasting]], [[Bubble Blowing]], and [[Star Ball Rolling]], as well as two more from ''Galaxy 2'', [[Crate Burning]] and [[Fluzzard Gliding]]. However, out of all of these, only ray surfing is officially called that in-game. I slapped {{tem|ref needed}} templates on the other ''Galaxy'' "minigames'" articles, but I'm pretty sure they're outright conjecture. The ones from ''SMG2'', [[Crate Burning]] and [[Fluzzard Gliding]], actually have {{tem|conjecture}} templates. Even worse, "Star Ball Rolling" and "Bubble Blowing" aren't even minigames. The [[Star Ball]] and [[Bubble#Super Mario Galaxy|Bubble]] are just game mechanics that change how Mario or Luigi move through a level, and these "minigames" only exist in this wiki's imagination. The Star Ball Rolling article is completely redundant with the Star Ball article. ''Galaxy'''s bubbles don't have their own article, but even if they ''do'' deserve a separate article, the correct answer would be to simply split them off, not create an article for a nonexistent minigame. Which is why when I brought this up on [[Talk:Super_Mario_Galaxy#The_so-called_.22minigames.22|''Galaxy'''s talk page]] a couple months ago, my thoughts were that these two specifically were the ones that needed to be put down. After all, Bob-omb Blasting, Crate Burning, and Fluzzard Gliding are conjecturally-named too, but at least they're actual minigames, right?

===Change the link in the Category bar===

In the category bar at the bottom of most pages whenever a category is included on the page is a link that leads to [[Special:Categories]]. This helps absolutely no one. Special:Categories is simply an alphabetical list of every category used on the wiki, but gives no information on how editors, both present and future, should set them up. [[MarioWiki:Categories]] on the other hand gives a comprehensive explanation on how categories should be used, from category trees to the order and specifics of the categories. This proposal is simply meant to see who agrees with changing the link in [[MediaWiki:Pagecategorieslink]] from Special:Categories to MarioWiki:Categories.

:::Ah. I like trying to put a humorous spin on things, but I see what you mean. Corrected. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:22, 25 February 2018 (EST)

:Would it be beneficial to add a quick explanation of categories at the top of [[MarioWiki:Categories]]? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 15:11, 25 February 2018 (EST)

::A link to an overall comprehensive list both does and doesn't seem all that useful to me. It really depends on the situation. Is it a reader looking through the categories, or is it an editor trying to figure out how the categories should be placed? If anything, they should lead to each other.  

===Move "proposals" from "community" to "navigation" on the sidebar===

I  was browsing the wiki for the first time for a while and I sawdust  Proposals is currently llisted under community alongside the 'Shroom, the chat and Mario Boards. The thing is though those other three things all fall under the social part of this site and less so the wiki part of the site  Whilst proposals is less so part of the social aspect and more related into improving the wiki. The Navigation area  the other hand has links that is all related to the wiki it's self and many of the links inside it are related to helping improve the wiki. I just think it would make far more sense Proposals was under navigation rather than community.

===Make an exception for the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series in our coverage policy===

This proposal stems largely from [https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39608.0 a discussion thread] started by Blocky, and it's recommended to read that first.

===Pie for Everyone. Pie for EVERYONE. Pie. For. ALL.===

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===Do not create ''Super Mario Odyssey'' sublocation pages===

While some of these locations are pretty big and unique, like the Deep Woods and Snowline Circuit, most of them are simply extentions of the main world or too small and not so relevant by themselves, and presenting them disconnected from each other would make these pages feel short on content. Island in the Sky (Bowser's Castle), Rocky Mountain Summit (Forgotten Isle), Heliport (New Donk City), Glass Palace (Bubblaine) and Salt-Pile Isle (Mount Volbono) are some examples of locations which are, at most, glorified platforms with a Checkpoint Flag on/near them. There are also three Tostarena Ruins locations, three Water Plaza locations, two Iron Path locations; having an article for each one is unnecessary as they are part of a whole rather than defined places (which is also the case of things like the Waterfall Basin and Stone Bridge in Fossil Falls and the Tostarena Northwest Reaches).

===Add a section to [[MarioWiki:Naming]] regarding technical restrictions===

I'm surprised no one has talked in depth about this yet. Sure, we don't have '''''that''''' many technically restricted names, but we still have some, so I think we should set in stone a policy for these titles. Take the castle levels from ''Super Mario World'' as an example. "#1 Iggy's Castle" is located at "Iggy's Castle" rather than "1 Iggy's Castle"; while the former title is fine, it might still cause some initial confusion for the newer readers. Basically, what I'm proposing is that we start officially use closely-matched titles for subjects if the correct title is technically restricted.

#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per all, this just seems like the sensible thing to do anyway.

#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per all.

====Oppose====

===Give the seven boss Tikis from DKCR their own articles===

Because the rest of their official names have just been discovered in a datamine of the original game.

===Smash Bros. Articles: What Stays and What Goes?===

*Fighters: No changes are planned.

===Replace all related species/etc lines in infoboxes with a single "See also" line===

As {{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} has been so energetically pointing out recently, the way we handle "species" bears little-to-no resemblance to reality - an octopus is not a species related to a mushroom, even if an [[Octoomba]] is obviously derived from a [[Goomba]], and trying to justify it is waaay beyond the bounds of a simple infobox list. And the likes of [[Fish Bone|fish]] [[Honebōn|skeletons]] [[Jean de Fillet|for]] [[Honen|one]] [[Sharkbone|example]] aren't even breedable! And, generally, obsessing over taxonomy seems rather misplaced for a Mario fansite.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Reboot}}<br>

===Replace enemy sections with an infobox entry===

While it's true that having some level articles with enemies sections and some with enemies in the levelbox would be inconsistent, I think this has to be considered with the usefulness of having sections with small lists of enemies.

<br><s>#{{User|Supermariofan67}} Per Alex95</s>

#{{User|Reboot}} Per

====Add enemies to the levelbox, but keep the enemy sections====

::::::But the exceptions wouldn't really be arbitrary, since they could be based off the statistics above. You're welcome to vote how you please, but I think lists under a certain amount of enemies shouldn't be kept in the article body just for the sake of consistency. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 23:35, 29 April 2018 (EDT)

:I was not aware of that option. I think that option would be the optimal outcome, solving the space issue completely. I'll add that to the list of options and add my vote to that. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 00:36, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

::The collapsability changes nothing for me, as I still find it looks bad, and is a detrimental change in general. Enemy lists are too ''important'' to be relegated to the small text, particularly that is hidden. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:17, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

===Part 2: What should be included in enemies lists?===

I think enemy lists should include counts, because that helps define the level: a level with one throwaway enemy is quite different from a level heavily populated by a certain enemy. As a corollary to this point, I have removed my vote from my original main option of the other proposal, since enemy counts as a defining factor in the level means they probably deserve their own section. Obviously, implementing this would be a long-term process, but I think if we're already listing the enemies, it's not too hard to gradually add the counts (and situational specifications, like counts in different versions) as well.

===Create a template for reception tables===

According to the [[MarioWiki:Reception and sales|reception and sales policy]]:

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One big change that supersedes the original is listing the reviews and aggregators in respective alphabetical order. I think that's a good way to go since none of the other possible methods seem doable.

===Move [[:Category:Outer Space Locations]] to [[:Category:Cosmic Locations]], restrict the term "outer space" and other related terms, and add "outer space" to the list of frequently misused terms===

Not too long ago, [[Category talk:Cosmic Locations#Change name to "Cosmic Locations"|a proposal]] was implemented to change the name of [[:Category:Outer Space Locations]] to [[:Category:Cosmic Locations]]. Such proposal was opposed to on the grounds that the term "is synonymous" and "it's a nice umbrella term".

===Change the way that recurring events in the Mario & Sonic series are handled===

So, now that I've finished with the sponsors I've decided to move onto the Mario & Sonic series, starting with filling in some of the missing events. However, at the moment there isn't really much coverage of the series, and there's a bit of an issue with the way that some of the events are handled. Currently, events which have the same or very similar names are all listed on the same page, despite the fact that they differ significantly between games, and not only between the Wii/Wii U and DS/3DS versions. For example, the Trampoline event in the first DS game required certain patterns to be drawn with the stylus to perform various moves, whereas in the 2012 3DS game moves are performed automatically and the player must use the circle pad to keep their character within a certain area. This means that the infoboxes are overloaded with information and that the articles are just full of lots and lots of headers ([[Archery (event)]] is an example of this, and it still has a considerable amount of information missing). Therefore, I'm proposing that we split each game's version of the event into its own unique article, which only covers the event's appearance in the one game. Only the controls, missions, playable characters, etc. for one version of the event would be included on the page, with the identifier specifying the game if it only appears in one of the instalments for a specific year (Such as "Rings (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic games)", which appears in the 3DS version but not the Wii one), or both the game and console if it appears in both (Such as "BMX (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Nintendo 3DS))" and "BMX (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Wii U))"). The shared name would be turned into a disambiguation page, listing all of the separate articles and any with similar names, such as 100m and 100m Dash, which would be separated as they have different names (This would also apply to any similarly named events, if the names are different they'll use the unique names instead of one with an identifier). An About template would be added to the top of name-sharing articles with a link to the disambiguation page for the other events or the events with a similar name. Events such as Balance Beam that only appear in one game will not be affected by this and will remain at the one name.

===Merge golf terms to {{fake link|List of golf terms}}===

We have a lot of articles from ''Mario Golf'' series that basically amount to [[MarioWiki:Generic subjects|generic subjects]]{{footnote|note|*}}. {{wp|Par (score)|Even Wikipedia doesn't have individual articles for every golf score}}, but we do! They play parts in the games, but pretty much in exactly the same ways as they do IRL. So round them up and stick them all on one page.

===Real World Subjects vs. Real World Terms===

The following are examples of real-world terms that would be '''allowed''':

*[[Easter egg]] – Same as cheat code.

*[[Fourth wall]] – Fourth wall breaks occur very often in the ''Mario'' universe, such as how in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'', [[Starlow]] references the [[Year of Luigi]] when [[Luigi]] is otherwise alone in west [[Gloomy Woods]] thanks to [[King Boo]] (''"You had, like, a whole YEAR named after you!"''), or how in ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]'', [[Huey]] makes a remark when he sees the final memory revealing that [[Bowser]] had accidentally created his [[black paint]] [[Black Bowser|alter-ego]], ''""You're telling me we could have avoided this entire game if we just installed a "Don't Mix the Paint" sign?!"''.

The following are examples of real-world terms that would be '''forbidden''':

===Add a sentence to {{tem|aboutfile-reminder}} and {{tem|imagecategory-reminder}} stating that if the user ingores them, a warning will be issued===

Well, i saw a user who got warned because he/she ingored these templates. However, the templates don't say that a user can get a warning for ingoring them; and {{tem|reminder}} has a setence: "If the action continues, than a warning will be issued", so i believe it's acceptable to put this in these two templates as well.

*[[:Category:Images by merchandise|Images by merchandise]]

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