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==Invincible Enemies Category== | ==Invincible Enemies Category== | ||
{{ | {{Settled TPP}} | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|failed|2-6|don't create}} | ||
Hello, I'm suggesting to add this category to the wiki, because people who wants to know which are the enemies that are invincible, right now needs to search manually, and not all people knows the name of said enemies. So, this category would improve the navigation of the wiki. Thank you. | Hello, I'm suggesting to add this category to the wiki, because people who wants to know which are the enemies that are invincible, right now needs to search manually, and not all people knows the name of said enemies. So, this category would improve the navigation of the wiki. Thank you. | ||
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== Non-game enemies == | == Non-game enemies == | ||
Lately I've been looking at this page and wondering if non-game enemies really need to be here. For reference, the non-game "enemies" I could find are: [[Abominable Snowkoopa]], [[Alien (Club Nintendo)|Alien]], [[Beetle (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Beetle]], [[Big Bad Wolf]], [[Birdoroo]], [[Blanka]], [[Bomb Net]], [[Brutius Maximus Grouchimus]], [[Buro-kun]], [[Buzz-Bomb]], [[Chomp-Muncher]], [[Chuckie]], [[Chun-Li]], [[Clog Monster]], [[Crimewave Clyde]], [[Dhalsim]], [[Dr. Sporis von Fungenstein]], [[Flaky]], [[Fluffy]], [[GLOM]], [[Goomba Mummy]], [[Goomerang Brother]], [[HAL 9001]], [[Herman (The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3)|Herman]], [[Herman Smirch]], [[Iggy (film character)|Iggy]], [[Killer Kitty of the Caskervilles]], [[KKDU]], [[Lena]], [[Madzilla]], [[Mousersaurus Rex]], [[Nicole, Pia, and Balu]], [[Pietro]], [[Piranha Sue]], [[Plant Monster]], [[Queen Rotunda]], [[Robo Shyguy]], [[Robo Troopa]], [[Robot Princess]], [[Sergeant Kooperman]], [[Shisai]], [[Shyguy Lion]], [[Sickobratz]], [[Space Troopa]], [[Spider (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Spider]], [[Spike (film character)|Spike]], [[Stanley the Talking Fish]], [[State Troopa]], [[Stormtroopa]], [[Sultan Pasbah]], [[Super Troopa]], [[T-Rex (character)|T-Rex]], [[Tweeter Bat]], [[Tyrannosaurus Twins]], [[Vampa White]], [[Wereturtle]], [[Zangief]], and [[Zombie Goomba]]. While some of these do function as typical enemies in their appearances, others are much less clear cut - apparently all you have to do to make it onto this list is be a mildly antagonistic character. Some characters, like the Big Bad Wolf and Crimewave Clyde, never even come into direct conflict with Mario and co. and actually help them later. What makes the Street Fighter characters enemies rather than bosses? Why is Stanley the Talking Fish an enemy when the worst thing he does is unintentionally annoy people? | Lately I've been looking at this page and wondering if non-game enemies really need to be here. For reference, the non-game "enemies" I could find are: [[Abominable Snowkoopa]], [[Alien (Club Nintendo)|Alien]], [[Beetle (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Beetle]], [[Big Bad Wolf]], [[Birdoroo]], [[Blanka]], [[Bomb Net]], [[Brutius Maximus Grouchimus]], [[Buro-kun]], [[Buzz-Bomb]], [[Chomp-Muncher]], [[Chuckie]], [[Chun-Li]], [[Clog Monster]], [[Crimewave Clyde]], [[Dhalsim]], [[Dr. Sporis von Fungenstein]], [[Flaky]], [[Fluffy]], [[GLOM]], [[Goomba Mummy]], [[Goomerang Brother]], [[HAL 9001]], [[Herman (The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3)|Herman]], [[Herman Smirch]], [[Iggy (film character)|Iggy]], [[Killer Kitty of the Caskervilles]], [[KKDU]], [[Lena]], [[Madzilla]], [[Mousersaurus Rex]], [[Nicole, Pia, and Balu]], [[Pietro]], [[Piranha Sue]], [[Plant Monster]], [[Queen Rotunda]], [[Robo Shyguy]], [[Robo Troopa]], [[Robot Princess]], [[Sergeant Kooperman]], [[Shisai]], [[Shyguy Lion]], [[Sickobratz]], [[Space Troopa]], [[Spider (The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!)|Spider]], [[Spike (film character)|Spike]], [[Stanley the Talking Fish]], [[State Troopa]], [[Stormtroopa]], [[Sultan Pasbah]], [[Super Troopa]], [[T-Rex (character)|T-Rex]], [[Tweeter Bat]], [[Tyrannosaurus Twins]], [[Vampa White]], [[Wereturtle]], [[Zangief]], and [[Zombie Goomba]]. While some of these do function as typical enemies in their appearances, others are much less clear cut - apparently all you have to do to make it onto this list is be a mildly antagonistic character. Some characters, like the Big Bad Wolf and Crimewave Clyde, never even come into direct conflict with Mario and co. and actually help them later. What makes the Street Fighter characters enemies rather than bosses? Why is Stanley the Talking Fish an enemy when the worst thing he does is unintentionally annoy people? | ||
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== Are these enemies? == | == Are these enemies? == | ||
Related to the above, [[Spinner]] and [[Fire Bar]] seem inappropriate to put on this list because they’re more obstacles than enemies. —[[Special:Contributions/111.239.157.234|111.239.157.234]] 02:07, May 3, 2020 (EDT) | Related to the above, [[Spinner]] and [[Fire Bar]] seem inappropriate to put on this list because they’re more obstacles than enemies. —[[Special:Contributions/111.239.157.234|111.239.157.234]] 02:07, May 3, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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== Trim this list to only include enemies in games == | == Trim this list to only include enemies in games == | ||
{{ | {{Settled TPP}} | ||
{{ | {{Proposal outcome|passed|7-8-0|remove non-game enemies but keep first appearances in non-game media if applicable}} | ||
I first brought this up almost a year ago, but didn't get any replies so here we go, time for a proposal. Having enemies on this list that don't appear at all in games makes their inclusion somewhat confusing, and I propose removing them. While some of the articles that would be removed under this act more like traditional enemies, others are simply antagonistic characters that made their way onto this list for some reason. For example, according to this list [[Pietro|some guy]] who tries to trick Mario and Luigi into thinking he's their long-lost brother is apparently an enemy. Other characters currently on this list don't actually come into conflict with Mario and co. at all, and some of them even end up helping them. The reason I'm suggesting an all-or-nothing approach is that, without the mechanics of the games to help us determine who actually qualifies as an enemy, trying to include only some of them would be a more subjective process. | I first brought this up almost a year ago, but didn't get any replies so here we go, time for a proposal. Having enemies on this list that don't appear at all in games makes their inclusion somewhat confusing, and I propose removing them. While some of the articles that would be removed under this act more like traditional enemies, others are simply antagonistic characters that made their way onto this list for some reason. For example, according to this list [[Pietro|some guy]] who tries to trick Mario and Luigi into thinking he's their long-lost brother is apparently an enemy. Other characters currently on this list don't actually come into conflict with Mario and co. at all, and some of them even end up helping them. The reason I'm suggesting an all-or-nothing approach is that, without the mechanics of the games to help us determine who actually qualifies as an enemy, trying to include only some of them would be a more subjective process. | ||
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And the Grumblump from Super Mario 3D World. I will keep adding to this if I find any more missing [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 22:27, October 4, 2021 (EDT) | And the Grumblump from Super Mario 3D World. I will keep adding to this if I find any more missing [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 22:27, October 4, 2021 (EDT) | ||
:Go ahead and add them yourself. No one's stopping you. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:10, October 5, 2021 (EDT) | :Go ahead and add them yourself. No one's stopping you. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 00:10, October 5, 2021 (EDT) | ||
== Inconsistent enemies == | |||
I've noticed that many games' pages are inconsistent with what are considered "enemies". Like for example, things like Fire Bars are listed with "enemies" on some pages, "objects" on others, and sometimes not even listed at all. We should really decide whether things like this are "enemies" or not. [[User:TurkeyCookTime|TurkeyCookTime]] ([[User talk:TurkeyCookTime|talk]]) 10:24, September 18, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== The ultimate proposal for division of variants == | |||
{{Settled TPP}} | |||
{{Proposal outcome|cancelled}} | |||
Well, this is probably my most important proposal so far. I designed this proposal to address a problem that has existed for a long time on the wiki: the separation of enemies that are variants of different colors or different appearances. This has been a huge problem for the wiki, causing very questionable mergers and splits, causing arguments between users. For my part, I find it unfair that, for example, enemy variants with different names and different functions are merged because they are the same individuals, while other enemies, such as Sub-Goomba and Itsunomanika Heihō, are split, having minimal changes compared to their original variants. | |||
The proposal is simple: for an enemy to have its own page, it must meet at least two of the following rules: | |||
1. It must have different mechanics than the original variant | |||
2. It must have a different appearance than the original variant | |||
3. It must have been recognized by Nintendo as a separate enemy on official pages or guides | |||
4. It must have a different name in Japanese and other languages | |||
5. If it appears in more than one game, it must be considered a separate enemy in at least 50% or more of its appearances to get its own page. Ex: Biddybud Red/Blue/Yellow no | |||
but Green Koopa/Red Koopa yes. | |||
Above the comments section there will be a list of enemies that will be divided that will be updated over time, if you want to add one, add it, it would help me as long as you take into account the rules above. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Sorbetti}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': March 30, 2025, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Support the proposal and start splitting=== | |||
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per proposal. | |||
===Oppose and leave the wiki as it is=== | |||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} To be honest, this proposal feels hastily written, especially considering someone else is working on a more detailed version of this, so I have to oppose. | |||
===List of enemies that will be divided=== | |||
1.Koopa Troopa= Green Koopa, Red Koopa, Yellow Koopa, Blue Koopa, Mask Koopa | |||
===Comments, suggestions and questions=== | |||
I had already shared this with Sorbetti on their talk page, but I have been working with another user on a very similar policy proposal for multiple months. The (mostly complete, but still <u>unfinished</u>) draft can be viewed [[User:Nintendo101/flowerpot|here]]. It is aimed at clarifying our enemy coverage on the site, and would create the breathing room for colored variants to receive their own articles. The draft I have been working on has been a very big time commitment and incorporates some nuances not reflected in Sorbetti's proposal, and I asked them if they would be willing to withdraw there's. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:40, March 16, 2025 (EDT) | |||
:I understand, in that case I will cancel this proposal and wait for a more detailed one from you.[[User:Sorbetti|Sorbetti]] ([[User talk:Sorbetti|talk]]) 15:44, March 16, 2025 (EDT) | |||