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 <s>#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal.</s>
+#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} ヽ(ー_ー )ノ I agree with [[#Retitle|Koopa con Carne]]. Plus, [[#Change Japanese language code to "Jpn"?|with parameters renamed]], this template is already partially unviewable in older page revisions normally, so that part is not much of a concern (you can hit edit to look at source text).
+#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} A) PorpleBot has been used many times before to rewrite a piece of syntax across thousands of pages in a matter of moments. B) The proposed renaming may break the template in an article's previous versions, but the changes that were logged to the contents of the NIOL charts would still be easily viewable. Every article revision has a log showing precisely what changes occurred in syntax. Also refer to what LTL says in their vote: the template is already broken in history revisions to begin with. C) A word can't be "foreign" to a ''language''. Languages are a tool, not a person or some other living entity. If this reading of the opposition's rationale comes across as semantic, then my only interpretation of it is that "the site caters specifically to those who speak English natively, or that those speakers constitute the majority of the site's readerbase and userbase, so the template's name must be relative to that", which, ''nah''. [[:Category:User languages|There's plenty of ESL's using the site]], myself included, for whom certain subject names are not foreign, making the current title of the template subjective and inaccurate. On the other hand, "NIOL" is unequivocally objective. D) "NIOL" aligns with the "Names in other languages" heading this template is always preceded by. This is more of a bonus than a sound argument for the change, though. E) It is easier to type out than "Foreign names", which for a template that sees so much repeated use can be a boon.<br>A succinct and objective term, I struggle to see shortcomings of "NIOL" opposite of "foreign names". Indeed, don't fix what ain't broke, but in this case, this label is undeniably flawed and needs fixin'!
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 #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per Waluigi Time. Even though, yes, we ''can'' bulk rename templates on pages (see: PorpleBot), this feels a lot like a case of "change for change's sake". Maybe as time goes on and the concept of a "Foreign names" section fades away into obscurity in lieu of the newer "Naming" section, it would make sense? But at least for right now, though, the template's current name is clear enough.
 #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all, especially TC and WT.
+#{{User|LadySophie17}} As someone whose first language isn't English. I don't mind this. It's inconvenient to change, doesnt affect the actual look of the pages for the average reader and would break more things than it would "fix".
+#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
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 {{@|Technetium}} "Foreign names" can be a redirect. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:58, March 24, 2025 (EDT)
 :We want to avoid using redirects when possible. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 13:59, March 24, 2025 (EDT)
+something i forgot to add in my vote, but renaming a template makes it so older page versions using the previous template name don't function properly. that's also something to consider {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 17:36, March 24, 2025 (EDT)
+I will defer to users whose first language is not English, but I think the current name is fine. I would be interested to hear from those users though if find the use of the word "foreign" to be exclusionary to them. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 19:26, March 24, 2025 (EDT)