Editing MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65

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===Rewrite cited quotes into a new style===

It's been two years since the <code><nowiki>{{ref quote}}</nowiki></code> was deleted. This time, I was wondering if there's a possibility to rewrite the cited quotes into a new style to match the Wikipedia citation templates <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>{{wp|Template:Cite video game|Cite video game}}<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>{{wp|Template:Cite episode|Cite episode}}<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>, and <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>{{wp|Template:AV media|AV media}}<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>. Here are some examples:

===Create two specific citation templates===

This proposal similarly deals with citation templates, but proposes the creation of a few not covered within the scope of a different currently active proposal.

===Add minecraft.wiki as an interwiki link===

This isn't so much a "feature" rather than a simple quality-of-life addition to the wiki. This proposal proposes to add an interwiki link to minecraft.wiki (i.e. <code><nowiki>[[minecraftwiki:]]</nowiki></code>), especially considering the multitude of subjects in ''[[Minecraft]]''{{'}}s Super Mario Mash-up pack with ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]''-themed reskins. At the moment, when linking to articles on a Minecraft wiki, it is the most convenient to do so by means of using the {{tem|Fandom}} template to link to the Fandom wiki when there's a higher quality independent alternative available that a majority of the community has left to. I try to avoid adding direct urls into wiki articles in general. If there was an instance where someone added urls to minecraft.wiki throughout every article where it could apply, this would be a multitude of urls that one would have to manually fix, due to the Super Mario Mash-up pack existing.

===Allow staff warnings to be appealed===

See [[MarioWiki:Appeals]]

*[[:Template:Reminder]]: "''If this reminder was not issued by an administrator or patroller and you feel it was undeserved, you may appeal it.''"<br>⬇️changed to⬇️ <br> "''If you feel this reminder was undeserved, you may appeal it.''"  

*[[:Template:Warning]]: "''If this warning was not issued by an administrator or patroller and you feel it was undeserved, you may appeal it.''"<br>⬇️changed to⬇️ <br> "''If you feel this warning was undeserved, you may appeal it.''"  

*[[MarioWiki:Warning policy]]: "''If you were given a warning/reminder for discourteous behavior that you feel should have only merited an unofficial notice as outlined above, you can appeal to have the template removed. However, keep in mind that excessive impolite or disruptive behavior may earn you a warning right off the bat; if the administrators feel that you should have known better than to act the way you did even without an unofficial request to stop, your warning will not be removed. <s>You cannot appeal a warning given by an administrator or patroller; if one is deemed inappropriately given, it will be handled within the staff team accordingly.</s>''"

**Q. I don't think I deserve my warning. What should I do?<br>A. If you feel you don't deserve the warning, you have the option to appeal it <s>as long as the warning in question was not given by an administrator</s>. When appealing warnings, it is best to do so as soon as possible.

===Create interwiki link for RayWiki===

This is similar to, and inspired by the Minecraft.wiki interwiki link proposal above, but with the [https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/ RayWiki] instead. The ''Rayman'' series has gotten relevance in the ''Super Mario'' franchise thanks to the [[Rayman in the Phantom Show]] DLC campaign for ''[[Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope]]''. The DLC campaign harbors a multitude of ''Rayman'' cameos and references, and currently, we can only link to articles of the most relevant wiki for ''Rayman'' using external weblinks, which... doesn't look all too great on an article, IMO.

===Make a YouTube Disambiguation(!!!) page===

[[File:Luigi Runs the Nintendo 2DS Factory for a Day.jpg|thumb|200px|Pictured: How we feel after trying to make a half-comprehensive list of YouTube videos by Nintendo.]]

Before you hit "Oppose (edit)" and scream "NOT AGAIN", hear us out here.

===Broaden the scope of the <nowiki>{{promo-photo}}</nowiki> template===

Currently, the licensing template used for photographs uploaded to the wiki is [[:Template:Promo-photo]], henceforth referred to as <nowiki>{{promo-photo}}</nowiki>. All photographs uploaded to the wiki are listed under the template's corresponding category, [[:Category:Promotional photos]]. This template is supposedly only meant to be used for publicity photos "known to have come from a press kit"; however, a ''lot'' of the photos in this category, most commonly images of [[List of merchandise|merchandise]], were taken by ordinary people who have no relation to a formal organization for news or media distribution; to put it simply, many images with this template don't come from a press kit.

===Decide how to format the <nowiki>{{cite}}</nowiki> template and update citation guidelines accordingly===

Now that [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Create two specific citation templates|this proposal]] has instated the creation of a single <nowiki>{{cite}}</nowiki> template for citations, it's time to decide how this template should be formatted.

===Consistent formatting for the Other Languages section===

Alright, so since this is starting to get really annoying, I'm going to put this proposal here. Here are two inconsistent ways that the meaning of names in the "Names In Other Languages" section are listed on the wiki:

===Provide more context as to ''Mario'' entities' roles in ''Minecraft''===

In ''[[Minecraft]]''{{'}}s ''Super Mario Mashup'', which gets (relatively) full coverage here, many familiar ''Mario'' entities get appearances replacing traditional ''Minecraft'' mobs and items, and their respective pages reflect that. The problem is, they are relegated to what amounts to a footnote of a section and do not provide any further context as to what they replace, which is unhelpful if you do not know what the original thing does in vanilla ''Minecraft''. For example,

Tells us nothing about how they actually act. What this proposal aims to do is, for example, make this one say

This should clear up any confusion readers may have on the subject.

===Rename [[:Category:Twitter images]] and [[:Category:Twitter media files]] to {{fake link|Category:X images}} and {{fake link|Category:X media files}} respectively===

This proposal is simple. Twitter has been renamed to "X" several months back, and people have become increasingly adjusted to the change over time. On Wikipedia, it even says that "{{wp|Twitter}}" is both the former and the colloquial name.

===Rename <nowiki>{{promo-photo}}</nowiki> and [[:Category:Promotional photos]] to <nowiki>{{photo}}</nowiki> and {{fake link|Category:Photos}} respectively===

Now that [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Broaden_the_scope_of_the_.7B.7Bpromo-photo.7D.7D_template|this proposal]] has passed, which broadens the scope of [[:Template:Promo-photo]] to cover more than just promotional photographs, the name of the template and its corresponding category should be updated accordingly.

===Standardize a "Cameo appearances" section===

Following in the footsteps of [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57#Define_the_scope_of_.22Other_appearances.22_sections|this proposal]], I'm creating another to standardize a "Cameo appearances" subsection of a History section of instances when something ONLY cameos or is referenced within ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' media. If there's an existing "Other appearances" subsection, the "Cameo appearances" one would precede it, as this is a ''Super Mario'' wiki.

===Standardize the "Other appearances" scope to include anything that's not a ''Super Mario'' game===

This proposal adds on to my "Cameo appearances" proposal. This proposal aims to standardize an increased scope of the "Other appearances" subsection to include anything that isn't a ''Super Mario'' game. It helps affirm the idea that this is a ''Super Mario'' wiki and helps the non-''Super Mario'' appearances stand out to readers more easily.

===Decide how to incorporate Wonder Effects in ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' course articles===

With more and more course articles being created for ''[[Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'' (hooray!), there’s a consistency issue going on - how the [[Wonder Effect]]s are incorporated into the articles. Some articles have them in the "layout" section of the article, while others have their own section dedicated to the Wonder Effect of the course.

===Decide how to handle the toy enemies from across the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series===

The remake of ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' redesigned a number of enemies from the original release, namely Thwomps, Thwimps, and Boos, to have a toy-like appearance, while giving the [[Bird (toy)|Bird]] enemy an organic appearance in contrast to its clockwork incarnations from the series. The wiki is currently set up such that the series' toy enemies are split from their original counterparts, though, seemingly, this is less due to gameplay and identification reasons and more to have a consistency with how the playable [[Mini]] toys are handled in relation to their base characters. While there have been proposals here and there on handling particular ''Mario vs. DK'' toys in certain ways, the consensus on their general set-up seems to be pieced together from these smaller discussions rather than something formal. It would therefore be consistent with the current status quo to give the remake's redesigns their own pages solely on the basis that they're now toys rather than the real deal.

@Qyzxf: Snapjaw is included for the same reason as Thwomp, Thwimp, and Bird: it will be split if option 3 passes and kept merged if option 1 or 2 pass. Tane Pakkun and Katakata Kaen Heihō are excluded from the proposal. And, uh, are the enemies consistently named differently? Because I'd probably also oppose this if they were, but they aren't in English, and if the names in other languages sections are anything to go by, they don't seem to be in Japanese either. That leaves the toy design as the only potential reason to keep these split, which you yourself already denounced as counterproductive...after using it as an argument a few sentences earlier. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 06:21, February 18, 2024 (EST)

::Upon more extensive research they have been consistently named as such in the Japanese releases but not the English ones. The main Japanese release that differs is MvDK2 in which none of them have unique names. Additionally the "katakata" denominator is used in the Switch remake as well, which is the most recent release, and could therefore be seen as a "current stance" on Nintendo's part as you could indeed argue that old third party guides are somewhat unreliable sources... but the Katakata Heihou name (the Japanese name for Mini Shy Guys) being used officially in the latest game is already an argument in favour of keeping it in my opinion, or we'd be counteracting something that official material has just clarified for us. [[User:Qyzxf|Qyzxf]] ([[User talk:Qyzxf|talk]]) 12:44, February 18, 2024 (EST)

:::"The main Japanese release that differs is MvDK2 in which none of them have unique names." Did you check the other games in the series as well? "Additionally the 'katakata' denominator is used in the Switch remake." Even if that's true (a source would help), remember that the Switch remake, just like all the other MvDK games in the series, was developed in the US, not in Japan, and the [[List of Mario vs. Donkey Kong (Nintendo Switch) staff|in-game credits]] don't seem to make clear which localization team drafted the game's script. You can make a point about Japanese names only if the original script is Japanese; that's when they lend clues to the creative intent and development behind a subject, and can be used here as a pointer towards how info on that subject is organized. With Mini Shy Guys, literally all games save for one, as well as their extra material, have called them "Shy Guys" in non-Japanese languages, with English being presumed to be the "source" language of the games; at that point, whether or not Japanese localizations truly push their own interpretation of the character isn't decisive in the matter just by virtue of being the Japanese interpretation. Anyway, [https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1758521869760659520 here's an ad for the remake] (twitter.com) that plainly makes reference to "Shy Guys" and "Thwomps" without referring to them as toys. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:12, February 18, 2024 (EST)

===Add the "Talk page proposal and support/oppose format" to the "Talk page proposals" section===

The "[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Header#Talk page proposals|Talk page proposals]]" section in the header is missing a talk page proposal and support/oppose format, and that is confusing. I was just wondering if there is a possibility to add the format to the talk page proposals section.

The first paragraph will read as follows:

This is what the example placed after the first paragraph will be as follows:

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The paragraph placed after the example will read as follows:

The final paragraph will read as follows:

And that's what the new section for the talk page proposal and support/oppose format will look like. In addition, a parenthesized reading from the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Header#Basic proposal and support/oppose format|basic proposal and support/oppose format section]] will be changed from "14 for [[MarioWiki:Writing guidelines|writing guidelines]] and [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Talk page proposals|talk page proposals]]" to "14 for [[MarioWiki:Writing guidelines|writing guidelines]]". Would that example be a better idea when making talk page proposals?

So, I disagree with including the whole section twice on the same page, but would it not be helpful to explain how to use the TPP template? [[User:MegaBowser64|MegaBowser64]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 11:07, February 17, 2024 (EST)

:: Ah, I see. In that case, we've got pretty much everything covered already, so yeah this is definitely unnecessary. [[User:MegaBowser64|MegaBowser64]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 18:20, February 18, 2024 (EST)

===Trim or remove various ''Smash'' franchise-specific subcategories===

This is what I'd consider part one to a few proposals I'd like to hopefully make later down the road. This is about the following categories, and if you'd like to humor us for a second, pick one of these at random and take a look at them:

*[[:Category:Animal Crossing series]]

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