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| By far one of the most [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=%22similar+to%22&ns0=1&ns102=1 recurring] and annoying errors I encountered during the decade I've been active here was the word "similar" being used when "similarly" should be used. I think this should be added to the list of frequently misused terms. What say other wiki editors? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:32, July 23, 2023 (EDT) | | By far one of the most [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&profile=default&search=%22similar+to%22&ns0=1&ns102=1 recurring] and annoying errors I encountered during the decade I've been active here was the word "similar" being used when "similarly" should be used. I think this should be added to the list of frequently misused terms. What say other wiki editors? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:32, July 23, 2023 (EDT) |
| :Hmmmmm, very interesting. Most of the results I get show "similar to", which IS correct. "Similarly" is mainly used at the BEGINNING of a sentence. I agree that "similar to" SHOULD be replaced, BUT only if it is used in the beginning of a sentence. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 09:18, February 1, 2024 (CST)
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| ::"Similar to", used as an adverb, is never correct. I can't find a dictionary entry for "similar" classifying it as an adverb. Its use as such is like "should of", popular but incorrect. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 11:03, February 1, 2024 (EST)
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| :::Yes, but I see NOTHING that shows "similar to", NOT IN THE BEGINNING OF A SENTENCE!, as an adverb. When it IS used at the beginning of a sentence, it SHOULD be replaced with "similarly". Like this: "Mega Moles are similar to Monty Moles" compared to "Mega Moles are similarly Monty Moles". {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 10:35, January 1, 2024 (CST)
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| ::::do you know what an adverb even is {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 11:44, February 1, 2024 (EST)
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| ::::Anyway, "similar" is primarily an adjective, so "Mega Moles are similar to Monty Moles" is perfectly fine. On the other hand, "Mega Moles walk from side to side, similar to Monty Moles." is not correct; it should be "Mega Moles walk from side to side, '''similarly''' to Monty Moles." Here, you need to modify the verb "walk", so you need to use "similarly", an adverb. Instead, the wiki currently uses "similar" for that purpose a ridiculous amount. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:00, February 1, 2024 (EST)
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| Similar is an adjective, whereas similarly is an adverb. Similar should be used when comparing two nouns (Susie and Emma are '''similar'''; Susie is '''similar to''' Emma), while similarly should be used when comparing two verbs or adjectives (Susie and Emma '''similarly''' enjoy apples; Susie enjoys apples '''similarly to''' Emma. For adjectives: Susie and Emma are '''similarly''' blonde; Susie is blonde '''similarly to''' Emma).
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| *"Some Remix and Bonus stages have the graphics switch between normal graphics and a filter with white background and black sprites, similar to the Game Boy." The switching is the similarity here and switch is being used as a verb, so it should be similarly.
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| *"In Yoshi Touch & Go, no concrete plot was revealed, similar to the puzzle games." It's unclear if we're modifying plot or the reveal thereof here. If we're trying to say the simplistic plot is the similarity, plot is a noun, so similar is correct. If we're saying the lack of reveal is the similarity, reveal is a verb, so it should be changed to similarly. I would recommend revising this sentence entirely to clarify what comparison is being made.
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| *"Unlike the entries directly before, however, Paper Mario: The Origami King has levels that are directly connected rather than being segregated through a level select screen, similar to the first two games in the series." The similarity here is the direct connection, connected is a verb, it should be similarly.
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| So on so forth. I would agree this is a common enough error to justify a mention. [[Special:Contributions/73.171.104.211|73.171.104.211]] 12:07, February 1, 2024 (EST)
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| :You know what? FINE! You win. I give up. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 12:58, February 1, 2024 (CST)
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| I've noticed, at least almost entirely recently, that "render" is often misused to refer to all official artwork. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 23:50, September 17, 2023 (EDT) | | I've noticed, at least almost entirely recently, that "render" is often misused to refer to all official artwork. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 23:50, September 17, 2023 (EDT) |
| :Any fully-processed three-dimensional work is a render. {{file link|Mario - Mario Party 10.png|This is a render.}} {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 09:27, February 8, 2024 (EST)
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| I've brought this up on the server, but I thought I should also post here and consider making a proposal if necessary. [[User:AgentMuffin|AgentMuffin]] ([[User talk:AgentMuffin|talk]]) 07:20, October 23, 2023 (EDT) | | I've brought this up on the server, but I thought I should also post here and consider making a proposal if necessary. [[User:AgentMuffin|AgentMuffin]] ([[User talk:AgentMuffin|talk]]) 07:20, October 23, 2023 (EDT) |
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| == Better definition of “fan worship” ==
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| This has bugged me for a while, as an editor who loves descriptions. I've noticed that a lot of descriptive edits are reverted or trimmed down and flagged as "fan worship"; while this may be useful in some cases to maintain the wiki professional (I've edited some overly detailed sections myself), I think the word is a little bit misused in certain context (and often straying away from the original definition).
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| Technically, as the name implies, "fan worship" should mean POV-ridden edits '''from a fan of said character'''. However, I've often met other editors here who call "fan worship" any description that covers more than three or four lines. Even though overly detailed descriptions may appear unprofessional (but even then, what is "overly detailed"? We should reach a clear public consensus imo), I do not think they count as ''fan worship'', as they do not give any indication that the editor is a ''fan'' of said character, and/or is describing the character from a "loving" perspective that may blind out "negative/ugly" traits.
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| Anyway, I will provide some examples (made up now, ''not'' actual edits, to avoid targeting specific users) just for thinking it out a bit.
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| *''"Rosalina is a tall woman with blonde hair, blue eyes and a long blue dress. She wears a silver crown and shoes, and star-shaped jewelry."''
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| *''"Rosalina is a tall, youthful-looking woman with a strong resemblance to Princess Peach in terms of facial features. She has pale skin, aqua eyes, and long, platinum blonde hair with a large bang covering her right eye, a small pointed nose and full lips not unlike Peach's, but flesh-colored. Her usual outfit includes a floor-length aqua dress with a shoulder-cut neckline […]"'' (this is what most looks like the current description on her page.)
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| *''"Rosalina is a very beautiful woman, especially for her tall stature, which is superior to Peach's. Her eyes are particularly pretty, due to their shiny, vivid hue that mimics that of the ocean; her hair is a more realistic hue of blonde than Peach's, looking like the color of the moon, and is cut into a bang that reflects her profound sadness derived from the perpetual mourning of her mother, who tragically died leaving a poor child Rosalina behind alone. Her dress is exquisitely crafted to add a graceful, elegant silhouette to Rosalina's already stunning appearance, and it has the color of the outer space sky when the sun rays hits the earth at a specific angle […]"''
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| Now, I think it's safe to say the majority of the physical description sections in any character article looks like the second example.
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| The third one is what in my opinion should be clearly regarded as fan worship (full of POV-ridden adjectives, speculation, specific comparisons that may not even be correct- what color is the moon anyway, and is platinum blonde actually a "realistic" color?).
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| The first example may be what most editors on this wiki aim to, but it is, in my honest opinion, too short. It is too summarized compared to other sections of the same article (story, personality, concept and creation), and the adjectives used, while concise, are actually misleading (her dress is not simply "blue", and her hair is not simply "blonde").
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| I've seen lots of sections like the second example being labeled as fan worship, even though it provides what I think is a fair level of detail for the character. Maybe an unpopular opinion of mine, but I'd argue that detailed descriptions do not actually indicate a ''preference'' for a character. Unless the editor has explicitly stated a preference towards said character, accusing an editor of fan worship just because of a detailed description is pointless projecting. Some people simply like describing a bit more than [character] has [color] eyes and [color] hair, for a reason or another. Many elements of a character or outfit's design contain specific cultural references, be them traditional or pop-culture, or say something about what the creator intended when designing the character (like comparisons to other characters of the same series, or sometimes even another.)
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| In summary, the scope of all this blathering of mine is pretty much to spark a debate over the concept of fan worship. Just let me know about what you think, and maybe we can update and clarify the criteria for it. [[User:Wallowigi|Wallowigi]] ([[User talk:Wallowigi|talk]])
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| :I think "fan worship" is when a fan is so passionate about a character so much that they describle it in much excruciating detail. Such excessive detail might make readers uncomfortable, so it is best to keep it succinct and straight to the point. I remember when I was writing for the [[Dr. Crygor]] article, I was passionate at the time, so I described his various versions in great detail. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 09:48, July 25, 2024 (EDT)
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