Editing Talk:Blargg

OK, we have here a little name problem. In Yoshi's Island, there are Blarggs and Gargantua Blarggs. In Yoshi's Story, we have Blarggs. In Yoshi's Island DS, we have three: Blarggs, Gargantua Blarggs, AND Crusher Blarggs. Now, in the YIDS Pkayer's Guide, the Gaugantua Blarggs are called Super Big Blarggs, and the Crusher Blarggs are called Gargantua Blarggs. Confused yet? There's one other thing: The Nep-Unuts in YIDS are called Super Big Nep-Unuts! How should we work this article, now? {{User:3dejong/sig}}

Create pages here:

===Blargg===
#[[Blargg]]
#[[Gargantua Blargg]]
#[[Crusher Blargg]]
#[[Super Big Blargg]]

===Nep-Enut===
#[[Nep-Enut]]
#Super Big Nep-Unut

After creating all pages, put a little section or template linking them all. As for how similiar they look, just note how similiar they look and name the (if there are) differences between both.{{User:Knife/sig}}

Super Big Blarggs and Gargantua Blarggs are the same thing, though. And are there two Nep-Unuts? {{User:3dejong/sig}}

What really are Nep-Unuts? I thought they were called [[Nep-Enut]]s?{{User:Knife/sig}}

Okay. Where did the name "Crusher Blargg" come from? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

As far as Nep-Enuts go, I'm sure it's "Nep-Enut" with an E. I'm so confused with the Blarggs, though. {{User:Monty Mole/sig}}

==Split?==

Should we separate Blargg into "Blargg (SMW)" and "Blargg (YI)"? {{User:Pseudo-dino/Sig}}
:They're the same enemy basically, aren't they? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 06:35, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
::That may be true but one is a dragon and one is a... thing. {{User:Pseudo-dino/Sig}}
==Ancient==
[[Kylie Koopa]] I implies that Blarrgs can live for a long time. "I haven't been this jazzed in a Blarrg's age!" [[User:Rpg gamer|RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!!]] ([[User talk:Rpg gamer|talk]]) 13:13, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
:An imply is an imply, but that stuff can go into the trivia. I'm not sure if it's necessary, though. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 13:23, 29 March 2013 (EDT)

== Blargg ==

Are Blarggs considered as dinosaurs? --{{User:Dashbot/sig}} 16:18, 4 April 2014 (EDT)
:They're inspired from dinosaurs definitely. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:20, 4 April 2014 (EDT)
::The only ones that look like dinosaurs for me are Super Mario World game and show. Yoshi's series Blarggs look nothing like dinosaurs for me.--{{User:Dashbot/sig}} 16:24, 4 April 2014 (EDT)

== Yoshi's Island ==
Do regular Blarggs actually appear in SMW2 like the article claims? As far as I can tell, only [[Gargantua Blargg]]s and [[Kounbaba]]s appear. [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 20:47, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
:No, regular Blarggs are absent in the Yoshi series, but variants do appear. I don't see anywhere in the article where it mentions that the SMW Blarggs appear in SMW2 or its sequels. It appears that someone (you perhaps?) changed the article between when you asked your question and now. [[User:Lumastar|<span style="color:green">Lumastar</span>]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|<span style="color:blue>talk]]) [[Image: SMG GreenLuma.jpg|30px ]] 19:12, 20 July 2015

==Create a Blargg (species) page==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|canceled}}
I do not understand the meaning of the page. Is it a page for the Blargg that first appeared in Super Mario World or a page for the species as a whole? If I read the first line of text, this page is for Blargg who first appeared in Super Mario World. So, I propose a small clean up to this page and create a page for the Blargg species. Since there are several types of Blargg now. After all, we have a page for the Koopa species, a page for the Boom Boom species, a page for the Yoshi species and so on. It also would provide a better built page for the enemy and for the species, because presently this page was yet to Blargg from Super Mario World and now it resembles a page for the species.
To be more specific about what I want to do :
* Rewrite this page to be less than about others variants Blargg
* Created a page for the species structure as [[Koopa clan|Koopa (species)]] for the page to be avoided as it is now if a new species of Blargg appear in a future play.

'''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 14, 2016, 23:59 (UTC)

===Support===
#{{User|LudwigVon}} 

===Oppose===
#{{User|Banon}} The SMW enemy ''is'' the main Blargg subspecies. This article is about that enemy.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - "Blargg (species)" would imply the other "Blargg" article is not a species (i.e. a character), but that's not true and makes no sense. You could argue for a separate "Blargg (SMW)" page for the dinosaur-like ones vs. the more blobby modern ones, but seeing as there's been a few other redesigns and yet no name changes anywhere, it's not a clean break, so it might be best to leave it in one place for now.

===Comments===
Just to be clear, are you suggesting we split ''[[Super Mario World]]'' Blarggs from the modern ones? [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 20:56, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:Nope, I suggest to create a species page. The Blargg that appear in Super Mario World and the modern ones is mostly the same enemy but with a different physic appearance (for the Yoshi games).--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}} 20:59, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::This is already a species page, though. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 21:02, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:::If I read the first line of text from this page, it was mostly for Blargg (the enemy that first appear in Super Mario World), not for the species. To finish my comments above, some species have a similar appearance to both (the dinosaurs and blob) (eg: [[Sandmaargh]], [[Charvaargh]], [[Magmaargh]].)--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}} 21:06, 30 December 2015 (EST)
It is as if the Blargg (the enemy is first appeared in Super Mario World) has just lost his page in favor of the entire species , while this page was intended to be for the Blargg enemy. You can look on page history, and it was for the enemy and not for the species.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}} 21:16, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:Alright, I see your point. Though I think a better solution would be to rewrite the Blargg page to be less about all the other variants instead of making a hub page for all of them. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 21:27, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::Exactly I wanted to do, but at the same time to make a page for the species, structured like [[Koopa clan|Koopa (species)]]. It can avoided in the future that this page came back as it is currently, if a new species appear in a future game.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  21:34, 30 December 2015 (EST)
Walkazo is right here and I think the suggestion of Niiue makes more sense. There are no articles of an enemy who is not a character to have a different page about the species entirely, not knowing if Blargg is actually the parent of all species of Blargg (we can say Sandmaargh is the parent and argue about it for days). What do you think about rewrite the page as Niiue suggests?--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  21:44, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:No, I'd be complete against rewriting the page like that. The Koopa page is a summary hub for all the different articles that then have the chronological info. This is not - this ''is'' the article with all the info, so the brunt of its info ''must'' be organized like a normal species page. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:48, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::Walkazo , I think I misled you. What I mean by rewriting, it's to remove the image of the enemies who is not Blargg and less detailed the enemies that have no place on this page. On this page currently, there are pictures of species that do not correspond at all to the enemy speaks of this page. I absolutely do not want to organize as like Koopa (species) is. If it was to create a Blargg (species) page, I wanted it to be structure like Koopa (species) is, but not this one.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  21:53, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:::Ah, okay. I'm still against making a separate page (for the Koopas, there are ''so many'' and they're so diverse, it makes sense to have a hub page - not so much here), but chopping out all the derived species from here is definitely a good idea: the amount of non-Blargg info is staggering when you actually look closely and realize half the sections ar actually "there's no Blarggs in this game, but...". Don't even need a TPP for that part, really. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:03, 30 December 2015 (EST)
::::Okay, if I understand I removed what is not related Blargg (also the sections " There's No Blarggs in this game , but ..." )? --{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  22:09, 30 December 2015 (EST)
:::::I will also closed this proposal. I have my own arguments that I have just mentioned above and as you also mention ''the Blargg (species)" would imply the other "Blargg" article is not a species (i.e. a character), but that's not true and makes no sense.'' Rewrite and remove informations that is unrelated to Blargg is the best solution. It's a similar case to what I propose [[Talk:Warp Zone#Rewritten|here]].--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  01:00, 31 December 2015 (EST)

==Confirmed subspecies?==
Are [[Magmaargh]], [[Magmaw]], [[Sandmaargh]], and [[Charvaargh]] officially confirmed anywhere to be actual Blarggs? The name structure is somewhat similar in English, admittedly, but the Japanese names have no reference to Blarggs. Furthermore, aside from the blobbish Yoshi ones, Blarggs hadn't appeared in years, so it's unlikely that Nintendo would introduce a subspecies without reintroducing the original along with it. All four of the "Magmaargh" varieties have characteristics resembling dinosaurs and eastern dragons (yes including [[Magmaw]], it has a spine plate thing going on), while Blarggs haven't resembled anything remotely reptilian since ''[[Super Mario World]]''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:07, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
:[[Magmaargh]]'s Japanese name is based on [[Blargg]]'s (and by extension, so is [[Magmaw]]'s), and [[Sandmaargh]]/[[Charvaargh]] don't have Japanese names listed, so I can't really comment on them. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 21:02, 5 November 2017 (EST)
::How is "Ūgan" based off of "Unbaba?" That they have what is written as a U in English? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:15, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:::Much later, I'll end this by pointing out that Magmaargh's internal file name in SMG2 is, in fact, Unbaba, so it was indeed designed using Blargg as a basis. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:49, August 7, 2023 (EDT)

== Merge YS-related parts of this article to "Red Blargg" ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|0-3-8}}
Yoshi's Story depicts Blarggs as blob-like beings with large mouths, small arms and beady eyes. Perhaps there's a possibility to merge YS-related parts of the "Blargg" article with "Red Blargg", since I made a proposal on deciding what to do with that article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 11, 2023, 23:59 (UTC)

===Support===
<s>#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal</s>

===Split into "Blargg" and "Blargg (''Yoshi's Story'')"===
#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal
#{{User|Arend}} Most preferable option; see comments.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} If [[Gargantua Blargg]] and [[Gargantua Blargg (tall)]] can be split, so can the ''Yoshi's Story'' Blarggs, which have an entirely different design and size from either the original dinosaurs from ''Super Mario World'' or the beady-eyed, armless blobs from ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''.

===Oppose===
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Red Blargg is meant to be a "small" version of Blargg. The ''Yoshi's Story'' Blarggs are anything but "small." EDIT: Regarding new option, it still seems more like a retrofitting of new design elements, like what happened to [[Rocky Wrench]] in ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]''
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I've heard of connecting ''Yoshi's Story'' Blargg with Gargantua Blargg, but this is new. Like Doc said.
#{{user|Axis}} per Doc
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Doc
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Doc von Schmeltwick.
#{{User|PaperSplash}} - Per Doc von Schmeltwick.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per Doc von Schmeltwick.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all.

===Comments===
What do you think a better idea than merging the YS-related parts of "Blargg" to "Red Blargg" would be? --{{User:GuntherBB/sig}} 15:20, July 29, 2023 (EDT)

Honestly, I think that, maybe, {{fake link|Blargg (''Yoshi's Story'')}} could be its own page. It has far more in common than the ''Yoshi's Island'' Blarggs than the original ''Super Mario World'' Blargg, but its Japanese name doesn't indicate that it's either a [[Red Blargg|small Blargg]] or a [[Gargantua Blargg|gargantuan one]]; so splitting it from this article into a new page might be safer than moving it from one Blargg to another.<br>We have separate article for [[Pokey (heading)|a couple]] [[Pokey (projectile)|of Pokeys]] instead of keeping them merged to [[Pokey|a Pokey whose only ''Yoshi'' series appearance was in ''Yoshi's New Island'']], so I think it'd be fine enough of an idea. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:48, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
::Okay. Who can cancel the proposal in favor so I can make a new one on splitting it into "Blargg" and "Blargg (''Yoshi's Story'')"? --{{User:GuntherBB/sig}} 20:58, July 29, 2023 (EDT)
:::CANCEL?!? My man, you can simply ''add'' a voting option to Split the YS Blargg from this page to "Blargg (''Yoshi's Story'')" to the current proposal instead. [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Rules|Rule 14]] states that proposals can be rewritten or deleted within 3 days after they're created, or within 6 days if they're talk page proposals like this one; and it hasn't been two full days yet. There's still enough time to rewrite the proposal to accommodate to a third option. I've seen plenty of proposals that add a new option based on suggestions in the comments section, instead of completely cancelling it just to do a second take.<br>BTW, the same applies to [[Talk:Red Blargg#Decide what to do with "Red Blargg"|your other Blargg proposal]], since it's made on the same day: people have been requesting an option to move that Red Blargg page to "Blargg (small)", so you could add that fourth option for that proposal, too. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:36, July 29, 2023 (EDT)

@ThePowerPlayer: I feel like bringing up the Gargantua Blargg and Gargantua Blargg (tall) is not really the best example to compare this situation with: ''those'' have similar appearances, but distinctive Japanese names (regular Gargantua Blargg is Big Unbaba, but tall Gargantua Blargg is ''Super'' Big Unbaba); [[Talk:Gargantua Blargg (tall)#Keep article split|It's like I said in your proposal]]. Meanwhile, it's the inverse for the ''Super Mario World'' Blargg and ''Yoshi's Story'' Blargg: these two have completely different appearances, but ''the exact same names in both Japanese and English''.<br>A better example to bring up why ''Yoshi's Story'' Blargg should be split from ''Super Mario World'' Blargg is to look at other articles that have the same names (and ideally, behaviors), but distinctive appearances. {{User:Arend/sig}} 18:41, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
:How about Rocky Wrench? It also was redesigned based on a derived enemy (in its case, Monty Mole)... oh wait, I already mentioned that in my vote, whoops. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:46, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
::Yeah no, I was thinking more of [[Pokey|the]] [[Pokey (projectile)|three]] [[Pokey (heading)|Pokey]] articles we have on the wiki. These are all called "Pokey" in English ("Sanbo" in Japanese), and all look completely different from each other. ''Yoshi's Story'' Blargg is similar to that. {{User:Arend/sig}} 01:33, August 8, 2023 (EDT)
:::The difference there being that they all co-existed in a single game, proving that their differences aren't just game-to-game design changes. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 10:55, August 8, 2023 (EDT)
::::Heading Pokey was different in Japanese, it was Spiked Fun Guy that was the same (and listed as the same entity as the projectiles in guides). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:59, August 8, 2023 (EDT)

== Decide what else Blargg can be split into ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|vetoed|As pointed out by other users, this proposal violates rule 7 because the split option failed in the previous proposal and it is required to wait 4 weeks before making another one.}}
My proposal to either merge certain parts of this article to [[Red Blargg]] or split into the ''Yoshi's Story'' Blargg had just been declined, so I've come up with a new proposal, this time to decide what else Blargg can be split into: either split into Blargg and {{fake link|Blargg (''Yoshi's Story'')}}; split into Blargg and {{fake link|Blargg (blobby)}}; split into Blargg and {{fake link|Blargg (big)}}; split into Blargg and {{fake link|Blargg (big blobby Blargg)}}; or leave it the way it is. Like I said in my last proposal, ''Yoshi's Story'' depicts the Blarggs here as big blobby beings with large mouths, small arms and beady eyes. For example, in German, Blarggs are also called Feuerdrache (i.e. Fire dragon), while big blobby Blarggs in ''Yoshi's Story'' are referred to as Dudel Sprudel (i.e. Fizzy doodle).

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 26, 2023, 23:59 (UTC)

===Split into the following: "Blargg", "Blargg (''Yoshi's Story'')"===

===Split into the following: "Blargg", "Blargg (big)"===

===Split into the following: "Blargg", "Blargg (blobby)"===

===Split into the following: "Blargg", "Blargg (big blobby Blargg)"===
#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal

===Leave the way it is===
#{{User|Blinker}} Blargg is hardly the only returning enemy in Yoshi's Story with an unusual design or size. You got Piranha Plants with long spiked stems, huge Chomps, bright-pink bug-eyed Spiny Cheeps... Besides, it's not like the small and gargantua varieties are in the game, so regular Blargg is free to be whatever size it wants to be. That happens to Chain Chomp all the time. As for the blobbiness, what Doc von Schmeltwick said last proposal.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per Blinker.
#{{User|ExoRosalina}} I think Doc von Schemeltwick said in the last proposal. Like Blinker said, Blargg is just a returning enemy with the design or size.
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Despite the different appearances, Nintendo doesn't refer to the other designs of Blarggs by different names so we shouldn't either.
#{{User|Hewer}} My problem with the last proposal was the idea of splitting the Yoshi's Story Blargg at all, not the identifier used by the split page (and all of the new suggestions are significantly worse anyway). Per all.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Blinker.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Splitting the article certainly shouldn't be a priority without valid reasons.
#{{User|Mushroom Head}} The page has a reasonable length, splitting it will cause them to be too short.

===Comments===
[[Gargantua Blargg]] already fits the role of the "big" Blargg, and doesn't this proposal violate [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Rules|rule 7]]? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:00, August 13, 2023 (EDT)

Their other proposal left the option for voting to split the Blargg article into "Blargg" and "Blargg (Yoshi's Story)". Since all of their descriptions of the 'other' Blargg in this proposal are obviously in reference to the Blarggs from [[Yoshi's Story]], then yes. This proposal should be taken down for violating [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Rules|Rule 7]]--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 23:25, August 14, 2023 (EDT)
:Although i wanna oppose, i'm gonna abstain for now. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:41, August 16, 2023 (EDT)

Uh, why has this proposal not been cancelled yet? It's already been pointed out twice that this violates the rules. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 18:28, August 18, 2023 (EDT)

== Czar Dragon ==

I think that Czar dragon should be put onto either the relatives or notable members section of Blargg's page

I know that the Hooktail siblings (and by extension the Fracktail robots) have a name in Japanese associated with Blarggs, but considering that Czar Dragon has an identical face to a Blargg, with the same eyes, the same 4 buck teeth, and the same head shape, as well as being a lava based monster, I think it should be on this page.
{{Unsigned|Rendumguy}}
:Thing is, the Czar Dragon appears to be composed of [[Lava Babble]]s, a type of [[Lava Bubble]], something that, while also residing in pools of lava, is otherwise unrelated to Blargg. The Japanese name of the Czar Dragon, Kaiser Dragon, also doesn't make any direct connections to that of Blargg, Unbaba, being instead named after a Final Fantasy VI boss (wouldn't be the only SMRPG enemy that is named after a Final Fantasy boss creature). However, it has enough visual similarities that Czar Dragon at least deserves a mention on the Blargg page; Czar Dragon's page does mention its similarities to Blargg, too, so might as well. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:04, September 12, 2024 (EDT)
::Blargg's own JP name may play off Lava Bubbles (BABuru, unBABa), admittedly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:45, September 12, 2024 (EDT)
::See, this is one of those times where it would be nice if character infoboxes had parameters like variants, relatives etc. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:33, September 12, 2024 (EDT)
:::I once made a character/species infobox. It got deleted via a proposal because of something about voice actors (couldn't make that up if I tried). But I agree those could be useful in cases like [[Hookbill the Koopa]], but if you consider how badly it could be abused for Mario it might be more trouble than it's worth. Note that on Triforce Wiki I gave the character infoboxes such parameters, but there's less franchise to deal with there. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:43, September 12, 2024 (EDT)
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	~~==Naming issue==~~
	OK, we have here a little name problem. In Yoshi's Island, there are Blarggs and Gargantua Blarggs. In Yoshi's Story, we have Blarggs. In Yoshi's Island DS, we have three: Blarggs, Gargantua Blarggs, AND Crusher Blarggs. Now, in the YIDS Pkayer's Guide, the Gaugantua Blarggs are called Super Big Blarggs, and the Crusher Blarggs are called Gargantua Blarggs. Confused yet? There's one other thing: The Nep-Unuts in YIDS are called Super Big Nep-Unuts! How should we work this article, now? {{User:3dejong/sig}}		OK, we have here a little name problem. In Yoshi's Island, there are Blarggs and Gargantua Blarggs. In Yoshi's Story, we have Blarggs. In Yoshi's Island DS, we have three: Blarggs, Gargantua Blarggs, AND Crusher Blarggs. Now, in the YIDS Pkayer's Guide, the Gaugantua Blarggs are called Super Big Blarggs, and the Crusher Blarggs are called Gargantua Blarggs. Confused yet? There's one other thing: The Nep-Unuts in YIDS are called Super Big Nep-Unuts! How should we work this article, now? {{User:3dejong/sig}}