Editing Talk:Fire Nipper Plant

==Name==
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So, considering the precedent set by the [[Nipper Dandelion]] situation, should this be moved to Fire Nipper Plant? {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:13, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
:I'm not too sure... Pretty sure that's citogenesis, but i'm not sure wether to move it or not, even when we moved Watage Pakkun back to Nipper Dandelion. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:22, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
::Did the name appear in the relevant Palutena's Guidance? That, of course, would be the ticket to renaming. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 03:14, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
:::That it did. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 03:22, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
::::Is it me, or it doesn't figure out in the english version? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:24, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
:::::It appeared in translation subtitles when set to other languages. Which is still in-game. Anyways, calling a ''perfectly logical and rational'' name "citogenesis" (which is a word you should expunge from your vocabulary according to Glowsquid) is just ridiculous. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:39, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
::::::I don't think this is citogenesis. I doubt Piranha Plant, much less the accompanying Palutena's Guidance, was planned in 2016. So yes, agreed. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:53, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Although not fully on board with the usage of Nipper Dandelion, I completely agree with renaming the article to Fire Nipper Plant. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:00, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Fiery Walking Piranha was a name that pretty much needed to be renamed anyways, as its name is overly descriptive and does not say if it is a Nipper Plant. Als,o Fire Nipper Plant is an extremely logical name, and we should not prohibit Nintendo from using obvious names just because it was once a conjectural name here. It would be like if when ''[[Super Mario Maker 2]]'' releases [[Bell Tree]]s are called well, Bell Trees. We would still use the Bell Tree name as it would then be official, and a name that '''''anyone''''' could of made up on their own. Regardless, fan-made names can become official too. I support the move. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 11:08, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
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 So, considering the precedent set by the [[Nipper Dandelion]] situation, should this be moved to Fire Nipper Plant? {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:13, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
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 ::::::I don't think this is citogenesis. I doubt Piranha Plant, much less the accompanying Palutena's Guidance, was planned in 2016. So yes, agreed. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:53, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
 :::::::Although not fully on board with the usage of Nipper Dandelion, I completely agree with renaming the article to Fire Nipper Plant. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:00, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
-::::::::Fiery Walking Piranha was a name that pretty much needed to be renamed anyways, as its name is overly descriptive and does not say if it is a Nipper Plant. Also, Fire Nipper Plant is an extremely logical name, and we should not prohibit Nintendo from using obvious names just because it was once a conjectural name here. It would be like if when ''[[Super Mario Maker 2]]'' releases [[Bell Tree]]s are called well, Bell Trees. We would still use the Bell Tree name as it would then be official, and a name that '''''anyone''''' could of made up on their own. Regardless, fan-made names can become official too. I support the move. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 11:08, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::Fiery Walking Piranha was a name that pretty much needed to be renamed anyways, as its name is overly descriptive and does not say if it is a Nipper Plant. Als,o Fire Nipper Plant is an extremely logical name, and we should not prohibit Nintendo from using obvious names just because it was once a conjectural name here. It would be like if when ''[[Super Mario Maker 2]]'' releases [[Bell Tree]]s are called well, Bell Trees. We would still use the Bell Tree name as it would then be official, and a name that '''''anyone''''' could of made up on their own. Regardless, fan-made names can become official too. I support the move. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 11:08, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::::::The current title still works because Nipper Plants were also known as Walking Piranhas in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', but it is definitely outdated. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:24, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
-::::::::::Throwing my Waluigi cap in the ring, I support moving this. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 22:13, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
-== Dream Team ==
-Following the discussion on how to handle fire-breathing Piranha Plants if they're named "Piranha Plant", should the Dream Team information on this page move to the regular Nipper Plant page as well? They are simply called "Nipper Plants" in that game as well. Also, I'm thinking of removing the Origami King section from this page as well. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
-:Absolutely. This one has bugged me for a long time. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:59, October 1, 2020 (EDT)
-::Agreed with moving both pieces of information. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:34, October 1, 2020 (EDT)
-:: Someone put Dream Team on the page, so I deleted it. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 16:15, November 14, 2024 (EST)
-==Original name==
-Something that occurred to me - in ''Nintendo Power'' Volume 13 (Strategy Guide), the only mention of Fire Nipper Plant is under "'''''Fiery Walking Piranhas!'''''" on page 71: "''These monstrous mutant fire-spitting Piranhas can’t be defeated by hitting them from underneath. Use firepower or hammers to defeat them. Remember, Hammer Mario is fireproof when he ducks!''" (plural despite there being one and "Piranhas" referring to Walking Piranhas and the plant family). However, it isn't mentioned on the Mario's Foes pages. The closest mentions in other guides are the ''Super Mario Advance 4'' Prima guide, under "'''''NIPPER PLANT'''''" on page 17: "''This small, pale purple plant jumps and moves slowly, waiting for Mario to jump over, at which point it leaps up to nip him. Occasionally, they fire fireballs at you in an arc. Avoid them, although fireballs and the tail whip do take care of them.''"; on page 95: "''Watch out for projectile spitting from a nasty little Nipper at the final structure before the finish.''"; the ''Super Mario Advance 4'' Player's Guide, on page 109: "''Watch out for the fire-breathing Nipper Plants—they can catch you off guard.''"; and ''Playing With Power: Nintendo NES Classics'' by Prima, under "'''''Fiery Walking Piranhas!'''''" on page 239: "''These monstrous, mutant, fire-spitting Piranhas cannot be eliminated by hitting them from underneath. Use firepower or hammers to defeat them. Remember that Hammer Mario is fireproof when he ducks!''" I have the impression that the "Fiery Walking Piranhas!" title is just a description and not a real name for them. Should it be removed and replaced with "Walking Ptooie" from ''Mario Mania''? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:56, January 20, 2021 (EST)
-Update: I missed this earlier since it was missing in the ''Nintendo Power'' version, but ''Playing With Power: Nintendo NES Classics'' actually adds an entry for "'''''Fire Nipper Plant'''''" on page 200, with the description: "''A fire-juggling Nipper that loves burning unsuspecting trespassers.''" I'd say let's just use that one for ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' then, but I have to point out that the very next page adds an entry for "'''''[http://www.dkvine.com/interactive/forums/index.php?s=0b0c83ed5dfc0d12428988be8be2db89&showtopic=13535&view=findpost&p=481571 Tweester]'''''" with the text "''The tornadoes that will gladly either help or hinter Mario’s progress.''" From 2006 to 2017, the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' tornado was somehow considered a Tweester on the wiki, meaning that the enemy bios were cross-referenced here - meaning that it's entirely possible that the name "Fire Nipper Plant" was taken from here, as the article was created with that name in 2015. On the '''other''' hand, "Fire Nipper Plant" is a sensible translation of its Japanese name, is somewhat closer to the ''Super Mario Advance 4'' guides, and the article was moved to "Fiery Walking Piranha" one year later and about one month after the Classic Edition/Mini was announced, which was released in 2017. Either way, it may be splitting hairs to get into the nitty-gritty when the article is keeping its current name due to ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''. I'd like to see more thoughts, but if there are none, I'll use Fire Nipper Plant for ''Super Mario Bros. 3''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:15, December 5, 2021 (EST)
-:Isn't that inconsistent with Nipper Plant's page using "Walking Piranha" for the same game? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 07:25, December 5, 2021 (EST)
-::We use Walking Piranha for ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' due to the packaged manual normally being considered a higher priority source than a guide - however, like the Bloober/Blooper situation, Nipper Plant was in use in supplemental/guide sources. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:50, December 5, 2021 (EST)
-:::Additionally, [https://archive.ph/0bmQD Mario Portal] uses Fire Nipper Plant, though that may have been a given. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:06, August 13, 2022 (EDT)