Editing Talk:Koopa Kid

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Should the Koopa Kids be counted as a species, since there does seem to be dozens of them. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

It is only 1 Koopa Kid. He just multiplies. [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]


He's talking about Mario party advance where there dozen of them.
[[User:Gofer]]

Well... 8) can Mario Party Advance really be canon? What about [[Tumble]]? And Shroom City? [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

Whats wrong with Shroom City and I think they might be a species, since ''the'' Koopa Kid says stuff like "Do we even have that many Koopa Kids?" occasionally in Mario Party Advance. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

1. Doesn't it seem weird... '''Shroom City''' AND Mush'''shroom City'''
2. Koopa Kid can copy. he probably meant like this:
The Koopa Kid >A Koopa Kid> A Koopa Kid, and so on. [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

== Children ==

are they considered children?

{{User:Great Gonzo/sig}}

no. they have no apparent/seen mother or father. {{user:Maxlover2/sig|}}

I think that they're clones of Bowser-{{User:KP Shadow/sig}}

==Bowser's kids==

O.K..... if the game SAYS that they are Bowser's children, which it apparently does then it is likely that they ARE his children. Which more likely: Bowser has a whole bunch of kids, or Bowser secretly cloned a bunch of mini-Bowser's to raise as children? - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

I do not like when people do not answer my comments. ANSWER ME. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

Problaby clones since all can't be his children. - [[User:Sammy05|Sammy05]]

== Baby Bowser related to koopa kids ==

There are four different variety of koopa kids. The red ones, the green ones, the blues ones, and the one that has a color skeme similar to bowser

Baby bowser has not appeared in many recent games but he does have several similarities to the koopa kid playable in Mario Party 5 and i believe Mario Party 6.

I was wondering if maybe Baby Bowser is the playable koopa kid and that the other colors are clones of baby Bowser and that the one with the colors similar to bowser is baby Bowser.

I wont put this in the article untill i get a good discussion coming on. --[[User:KoopaKid7|KoopaKid7]] 19:07, 1 December 2008 (EST)

:Baby Bowser can't be a Koopa Kid, because that's Bowser himself. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}

I know he isn't. I'm saying that the other koopa kids with color may have been cloned and that Baby bowser may have been forced to the present via time travel. Feel free to respond to this or even disagree. --[[User:KoopaKid7|KoopaKid7]] 19:18, 1 December 2008 (EST)

:That's a fan theory not supported or implicated by any evidence provided by official material, so it cannot be included in the article.  But feel free to talk about it at the forums! =) -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

==Mini Bowser is Playable in Mario Party 6==
I recently watched a video on youtube and the player is playing Mini Bowser. and in [[Mario Party 6#Playable Characters|Mario Party 6]] it even states it. So we should add the info. {{User:KS3/sig 2}}
:Uhh.... what? The information is and has always been there since who knows when. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

==Split this page in Koopa Kid (character) and in Koopa Kid (species)==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|red|don't split 1-9}}
The Koopa Kids are thus a species or a character? As it is written in the article in the first games were very numerous, but ''[[Mario Party 5]]'' onwards it appeared only one. This is because in ''Mario Party 5'' and in ''[[Mario Party 6]]'', A Koopa Kid was playable. We should not divide the pages as recommended done with [[Metal Mario]] and [[Gold Mario]]? In this case, we have also a definite proof, in the article it is written Indeed, Mario Party 4 Specifically Refers to the Koopa Kid who Appears on Bowser Spaces as "one of the Koopa Kids." It would not be a valid reason to create separate pages?

P.S. At this moment I am working on another proposal. If it is forbidden to bring forward two proposals from the same at the same time, someone else who agrees with me could deal with this proposal?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Sonic98}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Sonic98}}: I agree with my own proposal.

====Oppose====
#{{User|Vommack}} This would be like making character pages for the Blooper and Hammer Bro. that were in Mario Party 8.
#{{User|Peanutjon}} But with a price. Check the comments.
#{{User|Stonehill}} Per Vommack.
#{{User|Koopakoolklub}} Per Vommack.
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Per Vommack.
#{{User|Mario}} There are no distinguishable characteristics between the playable Koopa Kid or the other Koopa Kids, so no split.
#{{User|Ninelevendo}} This is like making a Antasma (species) page because of the attack he does that splits himself or him powering up Bowser.
#{{user|Tsunami}} This is already a character/species. And per Vommack and Ninelevendo.
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Eh. I think he is just one character who can split into many. Also, per Vommack

====Comments====
Format your proposals correctly.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 10:19, 25 June 2014 (EDT)

I think we should make pages for red, blue, and green Koopa Kids. These are definitely separate characters. The playable Koopa Kid has no proof that he's a separate character, but these do. Information on the playable Koopa Kid from MP5 could be on the colored Koopa Kids' pages, because technically they are the same character. [[User:Peanutjon|Peanutjon]] ([[User talk:Peanutjon|talk]]) 11:49, 25 June 2014 (EDT)
:Red, blue, and green Koopa Kids are not separate characters. They are actually one Koopa Kid who underwent temporary mitosis. A.K.A. he split into three just to compete with the player. The player has to kill all three of them to win the game, so they're not really individuals. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:26, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

In fact it is true, the Hammer Bros. are also playable in other games. But at this point I think that for the Koopa Kids is most suitable for the species that the infobox infobox of the characters. The instruction of Mario Party 4 defines the Koopa Kid on Bowser Space, as one of many. This means that it makes no sense that the page has the character infobox, should not we change it? 

However, for Boom Boom goes the same thing? There is evidence that Boom Boom is a character is a species? It seems to me a kind and just, to the Koopa Kids as I said the infobox of the species does not make any sense.--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 13:11, 25 June 2014 (EDT)
:One of the many is one of the many. It doesn't single out that particular Koopa Kid in any other way. I don't find any particular fault with the infobox of Koopa Kid, so... {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:26, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

::But just because it says "one of many" means that the Koopa Kid are a species, is not it? Why the infobox is used for the characters?--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 15:29, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure, but let me change it nevertheless. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:37, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

==Split Red Koopa Kid, Green Koopa Kid and Blue Koopa Kid==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|red|failed 2-8}}
Before making a oppose because of what appear in Mario Party 5, read this:

Yes, in Mario Party 5, Koopa Kid split himself into Red Koopa Kid, Green Koopa Kid and Blue Koopa Kid, but this was only a one time action. 
In Mario Party 7, Koopa Kid and the three colors all appear in the game. The Bowser’s Enchanted Inferno board is a good situation, where Koopa Kid manage his space, but the three others manage the actions made by some of the Event Space on this board. Koopa Kid also appear on the board where the players must push him in the lava in a minigame. 
In Mario Party Advance, Koopa Kid appear as a characters (in the wiki, he appear on the character descriptions section) and the three colors Koopa Kids appear as the antagonists.
I think this make enough thing to let the three colors Koopa Kids to have their own page on the Super Mario Wiki. It’s also possible to write on their page that in Mario Party 5, they appear to be a split make by Koopa Kid.

In Mario Party Advance, they also have different behaviours, like in [[Mush Rush]], [[Trap Floor]], and [[Crushed Ice]] demonstrate that the Green Koopa Kid move more quickly, the Blue Koopa Kid take an extra hit and the Red Koopa Kid have a habit of suddenly charging. (Although Trap Floor doesn't involve damaging the Koopa Kids)

'''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 24, 2016, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|LudwigVon}}
#{{User|Tails777}} This is something that's bothered me for a while. They are clearly separate characters, they've had several Mario Party appearances and important roles in mini-games (specifically ones in Mario Party Advance). I feel that's enough to say they should get their own article. So per LudwigVon.

====Oppose====
#{{user|Wildgoosespeeder}} Do we have enough information to warrant a split? How many splits are we going to do?
#{{user|SmokedChili}} Per Bazooka Mario's comments below. Also LudwigVon, you missed the fact that in Bowser’s Enchanted Inferno, colored Mini Bowsers appear in event spaces only if played in teams, otherwise it's just the regular Mini Bowser. This kind of split sounds unnecessary, and repeating practically same info for three articles can be very redundant. I prefer keeping all the info in this article.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} I think this is an unnecessary split. First of all, these Koopa Kids don't have distinct personalities. They're often used interchangeably. Hell, in Mario Party Advance, they're depicted as a species or whatever, where there are clearly multiple of them. I think they fit best in the Koopa Kid article, where it can detail all of the Koopa Kid actions in one convenient location, and I think the redirects work fine as well. If we're going to split those three, we may as well split the playable Koopa Kid character from the NPC Koopa Kids.
#{{User|BabyLuigi64}} Per Bazooka Mario and Baby Luigi.
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Per Bazooka Mario and Baby Luigi.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Baby Luigi and Bazooka Mario in the comments.

====Comments====
It seems to me that the colors are interchangeable as seen in [[Mush Rush]], [[Peek-n-Sneak]], and [[Trap Floor]], and they don't have a lot of noticeable differences aside from that, so we're just going to be repeating information for the most part (sort of similar to splitting Koopa shell colors IMO). I don't think we should be splitting hairs over this. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 01:20, 10 February 2016 (EST)
:What would your opinion be of putting all three in a single article? They may not have much differences from each other to stand out as three separate articles, but their roles and appearances suggest they are different from the normal Koopa Kid. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
Wildgoosespeeder, once again, a wiki page that has all the information necessary it is large or small is not a stub. A stub is a page that lack of information is still not on the page. If a page is small and has all the necessary information , it is correct (we cannot still start adding useless information so that it seems long). So, your vote should be invalide and the questions would be better in the comments section.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  01:46, 10 February 2016 (EST)
::@Bazooka Mario: In ''Mario Party Advance'', the colours aren't interchangeable. [[Mush Rush]], [[Trap Floor]], and [[Crushed Ice]] demonstrate that the green ones move more quickly, the blue ones take an extra hit, and the red ones have a habit of suddenly charging. This isn't completely consistent (Trap Floor doesn't involve damaging the Koopa Kids, for example, and [[Peek-n-Sneak]] also has them demonstrate different behaviours due to the different gameplay), but it's misleading at best to lump them together. However, it'd be fair to say that for ''Mario Party 5''. I'm staying on the fence for now; up to you whether the differences are substantial enough. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::Okay, so they even have different techniques in ''Mario Party Advance''? This is other good reasons to me, so they can have their own page.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  16:21, 10 February 2016 (EST)
SmokedChili, yes they only appear on event spaces if played in teams, but all four Koopa Kids appear in the boards in teams.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  13:04, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Are you treating the coloured Koopa Kids as individual characters from the Koopa Kid species, or as separate derived species? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:Clearly as a separate derived species, in Mario Party Advance, multiple Red, Blue and Green Koopa Kids appears at the same time in mini-games. I do not think they are regarded as individual characters or a source says that.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  12:01, 11 February 2016 (EST)

@Baby Luigi: We have [[Lava Bubble (blue)]], [[Dragoneel (purple)]], [[Electro-Koopa (blue)]], [[Electro-Koopa (green)]], [[Electro-Koopa (red)]], we have different colored Yoshi page. All those, can be merge on Lava Bubble, Dragoneel, Electro-Koopa and on Yoshi species page. But, no, they all have distinct traits so they can have a page. Why here they can't have this. Like Time Turner say, the colours aren't interchangeable and the three colors Koopa Kids all have different traits, like Mario Party Advance show it.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  12:11, 11 February 2016 (EST)

Tails777: It's a better idea to split all three into one collective article, but I still don't see the need to do so other than they're found in one artwork. I still think it's best to keep all Koopa Kid-related information in the Koopa Kid page. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 13:20, 11 February 2016 (EST)

Time Turner: Hm, I suppose so but it was hard to tell if they did have different traits. But I still think they're interchangeable, as those differences are fairly minor that you can compare it, again, with Koopa shell color.

LudwigVon: Well, all those species have ''drastic'' differences, and Electro-Koopa (green) has a different Japanese name as icing on the cake. As for the Yoshi colors species page, I believe some colors have gameplay differences, but in light of different colors for Koopa Troopa and Shy Guy, I feel it's not an extremely strong case to leave them split, but it's a muddier case whenever the Yoshi colors are interchangeable or not (since Yoshi can change colors in ''Mario Power Tennis'' and for the most part, the colors have no gameplay differences. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 13:28, 11 February 2016 (EST)
:The colour is also variable in ''Super Mario Sunshine'', depending on what fruit Yoshi eats, with the Yoshi also turning green when it touches water and dies. Red, Yellow, Green and Blue Yoshis do different things when they hold Koopa shells in their mouths in ''SMW'', and all the different colours have different food preferences in ''Yoshi's Story''. However, the Koopa shell colours themselves grant different abilities in ''SMW'', yet we only have the one Koopa page, and we also ignore other slight gameplay differences too between red and green-shelled Koopas. I feel like the only reason we have the Yoshi colours is because in the various ''Yoshi'' games, individuals of each colour all appear independently, so it's kinda like a [[Blue Toad (character)|Blue]]/[[Yellow Toad (character)]] situation, except passing them off as "species" since most of the appearances aren't the same characters (like how not all [[Green Yoshi]]s are ''the'' Yoshi). I dunno, it's a weird situation, and one I find myself questioning periodically. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 13:32, 12 February 2016 (EST)

== Koopa Kid's Mario Party 3 Maximum Power ==

I have encountered, but not recorded, an incident in a Duel Board in Mario Party 3. I had two Koopa Kids as partners, so their attack was 2. They had been powered up, so their attack was 4. The front one attacked, transformed into Bowser and did 12 damage, to an undefended opponent. Twelve hearts were scattered, the game had predicted that case and didn't use less hearts. It is not important, but I thought I should mention it.[[User:Gomess 512|Gomess 512]] ([[User talk:Gomess 512|talk]]) 02:15, 8 March 2016 (EST)

== (Dis)Appearance ==

This is something that is bugging me since ''Mario Party: The Top 100'': what is notable about that game and ''Mario Party Superstars'' is the ''lack'' of Koopa Kids. Of course, they were not going to edit the covers to remove them from there, but what the page shows at a first glance in the box is the opposite of what is happening: the Koopa Kids are no longer present even when they should be there. Should we revise the use of the Latest Appearance part of the template? More in general, is an unedited cover even an appearance to begin with? If it was a specific artwork or a bio I would have understood, but here we're apparently seeing a complete removal but our modus operandi is giving the opposite message at a first glance.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:55, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
:One thing we can do is move ''The Top 100'' and ''Superstars'' from "History" to an "Other appearances" section or something similar, and maybe add the last physical appearance in addition to the technical cameo in the infobox. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:42, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
::We won't be able to do the first due to an ongoing proposal, but we can try the second approach to see if at least we can have a less misleading infobox.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]])

== ''Mario Party 8'' appearance scrapped? ==

According to [https://www.spriters-resource.com/wii/marioparty8/sheet/159685/ The Spriters Resource], there is an unused textbox showing Koopa Kid for ''[[Mario Party 8]]''. Could this be a character that was dropped out of the game, or is this just a reminiscent of the GameCube ''[[Mario Party (series)|Mario Party]]'' games? Regardless, is this notable enough to add to ''Mario Party 8'''s unused content page? [[User:Altendo|Al]][[User talk:Altendo|ten]][[Special:Contributions/Altendo|do]] 12:18, September 1, 2024 (EDT)
:This is definitely material for the unused content page. {{User:Mario/sig}} 12:27, September 1, 2024 (EDT)