Editing Talk:Mario's helicopter

== Article seems unnecessary ==

{{talk}}
This article is about two completely unconnected, unnamed helicopters that both happen to be owned by Mario. Need I say more? This article has even less of a reason to exist than Donkey Kong's cage in ''DK Junior'', an arguably more pervasive plot element that doesn't even have an article for... hopefully obvious reasons. It says something that even in the anarchic early days of MarioWiki, nobody seemed to have thought to make an article for ''Mario's helicopter''. This is really stretching the exceptions given in the [[MarioWiki:Generic_subjects|generic subject policy]]. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:59, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
:[[File:MKSC Luigi Blimp.png]]
:If we cannot have [[Luigi Blimp]] then no one will have this one either. {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:19, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
::To be fair, the crane thing arguably makes it fall outside of generic-subject coverage... [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:25, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
:::I suppose, but the claw is only present in Wario Land. The Donkey Kong Jr. helicopter is pretty clearly just a scrunched-up interpretation of [https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c3a6f5cce298c334a90b0957e6c94cbd-lq standard helicopter lifting]. I guess it's not "generic", but it still seems like a [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Princess Peach's voice|Princess Peach's voice]]-type situation where its entire relevance to the plot is that it shows up briefly at the end, takes the Peach statue, and runs. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 13:42, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
::::If you're talking about how that helicopter has a mechanism to take a statue, nah, I still wouldn't consider it distinct enough. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:35, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
:::::Dang, this page was created just a month ago? I first thought this was a remnant of the early 2010's that went unnoticed until now. Delete it and preserve it in [[MarioWiki:BJAODN|BJAODN]]. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 15:15, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
::::::Wait, it WASN'T created today?! {{User:Arend/sig}} 15:41, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
:::::::I was skeptical when I saw it, but added the DKJr image anyway, lol. But anyway, a helicopter having a winch attached to it is hardly a [https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Diesel_10 Diesel 10 and Pinchy]-level of notably weird vehicle attachments. This is similar to when there was a "Lakitu (character)" article asserting that the MK7 Lakitu was the same as a random background Lakitu in ''Superstar Saga'' just because they both had red shells. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:31, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
::::::::Admins, please delete this page, it has been over two months since we have decided. [[User:Wario World|Wario World]] ([[User talk:Wario World|talk]])
I have to agree with everyone that this page is too generic and that it should be deleted. Not much else to say. [[User:Power Flotzo|Power Flotzo]] ([[User talk:Power Flotzo|talk]]) 23:25, August 14, 2024 (EDT)

== Proposal to finally end Mario's helicopter's reign of terror ==

Given the lack of action from the admins (despite at least one of them participating in the relevant conversation), as well as the fact that this article is still regularly updated by its creator, I believe this is the intended avenue for us to get rid of this article.

This article covers two separate, unnamed helicopters that happened to be piloted by Mario in cutscenes, while still considering them the same helicopter with drastically different appearances (even though one is a realistic helicopter and the other has a comically large claw coming out the bottom). Given that we don't have an article for {{fake link|Bowser's various thrones}}, I feel like it should be obvious why this article is a bit redundant.

'''Proposer''': {{User|DrippingYellow}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 28, 23:59 GMT

=== The scrapyard it is! (Support) ===
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per proposal.

=== Noooo! Not my helicopter! (Oppose) ===

=== Comments ===
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+{{talk}}
 This article is about two completely unconnected, unnamed helicopters that both happen to be owned by Mario. Need I say more? This article has even less of a reason to exist than Donkey Kong's cage in ''DK Junior'', an arguably more pervasive plot element that doesn't even have an article for... hopefully obvious reasons. It says something that even in the anarchic early days of MarioWiki, nobody seemed to have thought to make an article for ''Mario's helicopter''. This is really stretching the exceptions given in the [[MarioWiki:Generic_subjects|generic subject policy]]. [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 12:59, June 7, 2024 (EDT)
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 I have to agree with everyone that this page is too generic and that it should be deleted. Not much else to say. [[User:Power Flotzo|Power Flotzo]] ([[User talk:Power Flotzo|talk]]) 23:25, August 14, 2024 (EDT)
-==Proposal to finally end Mario's helicopter's reign of terror==
+== Proposal to finally end Mario's helicopter's reign of terror ==
-{{settled TPP}}
-{{proposal outcome|passed|13-0|Crash Mario's helicopter}}
+Given the lack of action from the admins (despite at least one of them participating in the relevant conversation), as well as the fact that this article is still regularly updated by its creator, I believe this is the intended avenue for us to get rid of this article.
-Given the lack of action from the admins (despite at least one of them participating in the relevant conversation, (or were they just a wiki patroller? not sure)), as well as the fact that this article is still regularly updated by its creator, I believe this is the intended avenue for us to get rid of this article.
 This article covers two separate, unnamed helicopters that happened to be piloted by Mario in cutscenes, while still considering them the same helicopter with drastically different appearances (even though one is a realistic helicopter and the other has a comically large claw coming out the bottom). Given that we don't have an article for {{fake link|Bowser's various thrones}}, I feel like it should be obvious why this article is a bit redundant.
 '''Proposer''': {{User|DrippingYellow}}<br>
-'''Deadline''': August 29, 2024, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline''': August 28, 23:59 GMT
-===The scrapyard it is! (Support)===
+=== The scrapyard it is! (Support) ===
 #{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Power Flotzo}} The funny thing is I was considering making a proposal on this very topic. Per the above.
-#{{User|Camwoodstock}} These are two entirely distinct helicopters, neither of which strikes us as being important enough to have their own article, and combining them together doesn't help matters. Per proposal.
-#{{User|YoYo}} just because they're helicopters doesn't mean they're exactly the same one.
-#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Yes, please. Per all.
-#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Just so happens that Mario is using a generic helicopter twice. It would be like keeping an article if Mario just so happened to be driving a generic car (not [[kart]]) twice.
-#{{User|Mario}}[[File:MKSC Luigi Blimp.png]] If we cannot have Luigi Blimp then no one will have this one either.
-#{{User|Arend}} Per all; I ''still'' cannot believe this exists for more than three months now (could possibly be preserved on BJAODN?)
-#{{User|Starluxe}} I actually agree despite making the article, I was new somewhat new to making pages when I made this and I just kind of made this because why not, please delete.
-#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
-#{{User|Dine2017}} Per all.
-#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} [[File:Mario sad - SMRS.png|50px]]
-#{{User|Axii}} Luigi Blimp deserved better.
-===Noooo! Not my helicopter! (Oppose)===
-===Comments===
+=== Noooo! Not my helicopter! (Oppose) ===
-"Given the lack of action from the admins (despite at least one of them participating in the relevant conversation[...])"<br>[[File:SMS Mario Cutscene Screenshot.png|302px]]<br>{{User:Mario/sig}} 20:29, August 15, 2024 (EDT)
-: *Pulls out Poltergeist* I'VE ALREADY BEEN HAUNTED ONCE, SO NO MORE! *Starts the Poltergeist up* [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|talk]]) 09:56, August 19, 2024 (EDT)
-::"ackshually it's [[Poltergust|Polter'''gust''']]. Polter''geist'' is a type of ghost 🤓" {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:40, August 19, 2024 (EDT)
-:::...*Gets out Poltergust Infinity and sucks up Arend and the weird Mario thing (not Mario the user)* [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|talk]]) 13:31, August 19, 2024 (EDT)
-Hey, so if this gets moved to BJAODN, would [[special:Diff/4328596/4332758|this]] have to be included as well? Whatever that is could as well be an entry of its own. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:06, August 29, 2024 (EDT)
+=== Comments ===
-:It was written by a ban evader with knowledge the article will get deleted so I assume this sort of quality of writing was intentional. If we're getting a bjaodn entry, leave it at the older revision before this writing. {{User:Mario/sig}} 11:19, August 29, 2024 (EDT)
-::K, thanks. I've had a feeling that the overly tedious writing might've been intentional, given that [[Special:Diff/4332719|this first edit]] includes a summary that indicates that the guy is more experienced with the wiki than it coming from an IP would suggest. But I wanted to make sure. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:10, August 29, 2024 (EDT)