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Are we considering the artwork released in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, part of the series or not? I tried to upload the artwork for [[Mario]], [[Luigi]], and [[Starlow]] from ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' to the Characters section but they were reverted back to their ''[[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]]'' artwork by another user. So, I just wanted to know why that was and if there's some type of policy? --[[User:Pokeguy721|Pokeguy721]] ([[User talk:Pokeguy721|talk]]) 22:35, 17 June 2015 (EDT) | Are we considering the artwork released in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, part of the series or not? I tried to upload the artwork for [[Mario]], [[Luigi]], and [[Starlow]] from ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' to the Characters section but they were reverted back to their ''[[Mario & Luigi: Dream Team]]'' artwork by another user. So, I just wanted to know why that was and if there's some type of policy? --[[User:Pokeguy721|Pokeguy721]] ([[User talk:Pokeguy721|talk]]) 22:35, 17 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
:It's not that, it's just that we don't replace character images in their respective infoboxes until the game is released, as per the guidelines in {{tem|character infobox}}, outlined by this line: "''Note that the infobox cannot be updated while a game is still upcoming: it can only be changed after the game is released.''" It would be reasonable to assume it carries over to here. Hope that helps, and sorry if you had any confusion on this! {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:41, 18 June 2015 (EDT) | :It's not that, it's just that we don't replace character images in their respective infoboxes until the game is released, as per the guidelines in {{tem|character-infobox}}, outlined by this line: "''Note that the infobox cannot be updated while a game is still upcoming: it can only be changed after the game is released.''" It would be reasonable to assume it carries over to here. Hope that helps, and sorry if you had any confusion on this! {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:41, 18 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
== Similarities Between The Games == | == Similarities Between The Games == | ||
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== Stop considering tutorial fights "bosses" == | == Stop considering tutorial fights "bosses" == | ||
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See the above section, where they are listed. Almost all of these are treated as scripted unique enemy encounters used solely to introduce a mechanic and as such no not really fit the definition of a boss, and with few exceptions, most also have normal enemy battle themes and defeat effects (if ''any'' defeat effects). The only ones to have boss music are PiT's Junior Shrooboid, DT's inexplicable Antasma (which uses his theme), and BiS remake's meeting-room Bowser; the only ones with boss defeat effects are Broggy and the unexplained Antasma. Basically, the majority of these at least are no more bosses than the Elite Goombules in BiS, and only marginally moreso than SS's Hammerhead Bros. in that they are defeated at all. | See the above section, where they are listed. Almost all of these are treated as scripted unique enemy encounters used solely to introduce a mechanic and as such no not really fit the definition of a boss, and with few exceptions, most also have normal enemy battle themes and defeat effects (if ''any'' defeat effects). The only ones to have boss music are PiT's Junior Shrooboid, DT's inexplicable Antasma (which uses his theme), and BiS remake's meeting-room Bowser; the only ones with boss defeat effects are Broggy and the unexplained Antasma. Basically, the majority of these at least are no more bosses than the Elite Goombules in BiS, and only marginally moreso than SS's Hammerhead Bros. in that they are defeated at all. | ||
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'''Deadline''': April 24, 2022, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': April 24, 2022, 23:59 GMT | ||
====Stop considering any of | ====Stop considering any of thee boss fights==== | ||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per | ||
====Only consider Jr Shrooboid, Antasma, and BiS remake Bowser boss fights==== | ====Only consider Jr Shrooboid, Antasma, and BiS remake Bowser boss fights==== | ||
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#{{User|Tails777}} I personally don't think it matters too much if we consider them bosses or not, regardless of their status as tutorial bosses. We don't stop considering [[Welcome To Yoshi's Island]] a level, even if it's a tutorial level you only play once. | #{{User|Tails777}} I personally don't think it matters too much if we consider them bosses or not, regardless of their status as tutorial bosses. We don't stop considering [[Welcome To Yoshi's Island]] a level, even if it's a tutorial level you only play once. | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | ||
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:It's been annoying me for a long time? Anyways, calling something a boss when by all factors it's not is disingenuous. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:57, April 10, 2022 (EDT) | :It's been annoying me for a long time? Anyways, calling something a boss when by all factors it's not is disingenuous. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:57, April 10, 2022 (EDT) | ||
::I want to side with guides again here, but it's actually pretty inconsistent. Fawful on the Koopa Cruiser to be a boss by the ''Superstar Saga'' Player's Guide (32 & 126), and he and Bowser are considered bosses by the ''Superstar Saga'' Prima guide (page 32 note: "''The only enemies not found in this chapter are the game's Bosses. Any enemy Mario and Luigi must defeat to progress through the Superstar Saga storyline is considered a Boss enemy.''"). The ''Partners in Time'' Player's Guide is inconclusive (Baby Bowser and Junior Shrooboid have blurbs like minor bosses and notable enemies and don't have a "BOSS" label like major bosses). Then the ''Bowser's Inside Story'' Prima guide does something interesting by considering 1st Bowser (147), 1st Midbus (148), and both Broque Monsieur and Broggy (150) to be ''enemies'', separate from the ''bosses'' section that starts on page 172. Finally, the ''Dream Team'' Prima guide is inconclusive (1st Antasma isn't listed among either enemies or bosses). I wonder if maybe they can be considered unique "tutorial" characters since the guides flip-flop on this over time. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:33, April 10, 2022 (EDT) | ::I want to side with guides again here, but it's actually pretty inconsistent. Fawful on the Koopa Cruiser to be a boss by the ''Superstar Saga'' Player's Guide (32 & 126), and he and Bowser are considered bosses by the ''Superstar Saga'' Prima guide (page 32 note: "''The only enemies not found in this chapter are the game's Bosses. Any enemy Mario and Luigi must defeat to progress through the Superstar Saga storyline is considered a Boss enemy.''"). The ''Partners in Time'' Player's Guide is inconclusive (Baby Bowser and Junior Shrooboid have blurbs like minor bosses and notable enemies and don't have a "BOSS" label like major bosses). Then the ''Bowser's Inside Story'' Prima guide does something interesting by considering 1st Bowser (147), 1st Midbus (148), and both Broque Monsieur and Broggy (150) to be ''enemies'', separate from the ''bosses'' section that starts on page 172. Finally, the ''Dream Team'' Prima guide is inconclusive (1st Antasma isn't listed among either enemies or bosses). I wonder if maybe they can be considered unique "tutorial" characters since the guides flip-flop on this over time. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:33, April 10, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:::I'd be happy with adding a "tutorial" encounter type. We could also list PM things like Goombario, Eldstar, Prof. Frankly, and Goombella like that | :::I'd be happy with adding a "tutorial" encounter type. We could also list PM things like Goombario, Eldstar, Prof. Frankly, and Goombella like that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:39, April 10, 2022 (EDT) | ||
@Tails We don't consider it a "boss" level though. The fact remains that these are tutorial ''encounters'', not tutorial "bosses." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:39, April 10, 2022 (EDT) | |||