Editing Talk:Phantamanta

==Source of name==
What is the official source for this name? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

The levels name is The Manta Storm, which could mean either that's its real name or there's just a lotta mantas. The offical guide from Nintendo doesn't give it a name, it just calls it manta or manta ray.
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

== Phantamanta ==

Where you get this name? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

Actually yes it is. '''Manta Storm''' refers to the Manta Storming of the beach.{{User:Knife/sig}}

And Phantamanta is from...?
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

The scoreboard from Mario Tennis: Power Tour. {{User:3dejong/sig}}

We have no PROOF that that is THIS manta. I think we should call it, Manta Storm.

:Its a manta, its a phantom, need any more proof? I'll ask Nintendy. [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]][[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup>[[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 20:45, 11 January 2007 (EST)
*Its  real Name is Manta Storm, according to MSS's guide. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}
::MSS? Is that SMS? And which guide? [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]][[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup>[[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 20:59, 11 January 2007 (EST)
*SMS is super Mario Strikers, SMSS is super Mario sunshine, my way of conferring the two. and its Sunshine's NP guide. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}
:::I'll still ask and wait for a Nintendo respose, so don't revert. Names change, after all. Jumpman = Mario. Needlenose = Pokie. [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]][[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup>[[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] 21:03, 11 January 2007 (EST)
By the way, just because it is a phantom manta, it isn't a Phantamanta.

:I still say it isn't Phantamanta.


Wait, is the only occurrence of it ever being called Phantamanta the Mario Tennis score board?
<br>Oh.... that is just funny....
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

Shouldn't this name be changed since it was only called Phantamanta in one game?
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

Let's put up a conjuncture notice. [[User:TheGreatBlockyBoo|TheGreatBlockyBoo]] 18:43, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I think it should be moved back to Manta Storm. [[User:TheGreatBlockyBoo|TheGreatBlockyBoo]] 22:50, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Do you have proof that it's call Manta Storm. In the episode of [[Noki Bay]] 'The Boss of Tricky Ruins'
Glooper Blooper returns but his name isn't 'The Boss'. So I think we shouldn't call it that just because of the episode's title I think it's phantamanta because;
1: the name belongs to no other Mario character
and 2: Mario Tenis: Power Tour came out a bit after Super Mario Sunshine so they could have used it again.
Oh and I agree that the name may have changed.  {{unsigned|Ironnice}}

== look at this ==

I found this http://www.eeggs.com/items/54030.html is this real?its pretty interesting

{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

== reference to The Shining ==

the battle pattern may be referencing the book "The Shining" near the end of the book the main characters spot a ghostly manta ray floating away from the hotel that splits in half over and over again until it dissapears entirely. mario fights phantamanta by splitting it over and over agian until it vanishes, just like in the book. should that be added?
~shrooba cola (talk)

== The sound it makes ==

Was outside earlier and heard a nearby seagull call. The sound it made sounded very similar to the sound Phantamanta makes when it is hit with water. Which made me think, is Phantamanta's sound a seagull's call, which is either sped-up or slowed-down depending on the size of the monster? I think this would certainly be interesting to look into! {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:27, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

==Name==
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For reference, three out of four official English guides simply refer to the creature as the "Manta" (with generic "manta" references in Nintendo Power). The closest mention otherwise is in the Versus Books guide, where page 78 concludes with "''It′s all over for the Manta Storm.''" The ''Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour'' and ''Mario Golf: Advance Tour'' leaderboards use "Phantamanta" as a default name, but that may warrant investigating the Japanese versions' equivalent text just like Gooble. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:12, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:I vaguely recall the name being used in game by one of the Piantas, but I could be misremembering. My GameCube's kaput and YouTube's no help, so I can't check myself. ...I could be thinking of the Mario Golf scoresheet. 
:Internal filename can also be looked at. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:09, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
::The closest mention is that it's called a "''giant manta-shaped......thing''" by the hotel manager, but internally, it's "manta" (<tt>root/data/scene/sirena0.szs/scene/manta</tt>). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:43, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:::Personally I would say that it should be referred to as Manta over Phantamanta, or Manta Storm as the game's mission states. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 12:25, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
::::The mission's name isn't necessarily the boss's name, though. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 12:35, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
::::: Saying that Phantamanta refers to this is definitely speculative. Within Zack Davidson copying it from us. It is comparable to Gooble. I'd support renaming it. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:37, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Admittedly, "Phantamanta" sounds like a pretty specific name, but on the other hand, it also isn't a true appearance of the subject (and there's still the possibility that it was referring to something else). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:45, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Again, I ask you this: What other entity could it be referring to but the "giant manta shaped" "gossamer ghoul" from the game where many names on the scorecard cam from? This is nothing like Gooble. "Gooble" was an extremely nonspecific name. This isn't. This is a giant red arrow pointing to the easy boss everyone pretends is hard from Super Mario Sunshine. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:04, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::That's what I hope to find out by checking out the Japanese version, since not every name on the score is from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' (or properly translated for that matter). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:18, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Let's get more consensus. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:20, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
The name in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O4KZw-lhkE&t=3m25s Japanese version] is plain Manta. However, this doesn't indicate which manta was intended, as the manta from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' shares the same name as the manta from ''Super Mario 64'' (note that the score there also mentions several enemies from both games as well as at least one that appeared in neither). It's possible that the localizer only presumed it was meant to be the one from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' or just made up a name on the spot (for example, Toadsworth became Toadster, likely by coincidence). In that case, the question is if an indirect mention like this counts in naming the article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:06, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
:I'd say as long as the translation was done in-house, it should count. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:11, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, this should count as an official name imo. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:44, May 17, 2019 (EDT)
: The ''3D All-Stars'' soundtrack feature for the game labels its boss fight music as "Phantamanta". It's canon. [[User:8BrickMario]]
::"Canon" means "a set of guidelines for creating works," by the way... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:31, October 6, 2020 (EDT)