Editing Talk:Pillar

==Split Spike Pillar from Pillar==
{{settledTPP}}
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 8-4</span>

Here is the thing. I can relate this to many articles. For example, Unagi. A sup-species, Mega Unagi, has its own page. They are different in actions and have different names. Same thing with Spike Pillar and Pillar. Spike Pillars is a different type of Pillar. It should be made into its own article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Supremo78}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 19, 2011, 23:59

===Support===
#{{User|Supremo78}} - Of course I'll support my proposal.
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per S78!
#{{User|DKPetey99}} Per proposal. Especially reference to Ungai.
#{{User|BoygeyDude}} There's a BIG difference. The regular pillar is made of wood (possibly, since I can't really tell. :P ), has a flat end, & it's fatter. While the spiked pillar is made of iron, has a pointy end, & it's slightly skinnier.
#{{user|SWFlash}} While everyone's argeeing with Coincollector's option, I think that it worth splitting. They have different size, difference design, different name, different sound effects, different surface, different purpose, and so on. They aren't alike or even similar, so the fact that we have those articlem merged is still a mystery for me. And so I have to say "Per proposal".
#{{User|Arend}} - Per SWFlash. Why keeping a wooden, flat-end, normal-collision pillar, together with a steel (or concrete-like), point-end, damage-collision pillar?
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Per Supremo.
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} Per Proposer.

===Oppose===
#{{user|Coincollector}} - I'm afraid I have to oppose. Spike Pillar is esentially similar to a Pillar in function, they rise from the surface to crush everythin and that's all. The spikes are the only prominent feature of the Spiked Pillar and can hurt Mario if he touches them, but Spikeless Pillars can also hurt if they are touched. Another controversial observation in the proposal is that you're proposing to create an article with a conjectural name (Looks like there is no official name for these obstacles) which is the only thing that would distingish this from the other but the rest, the information, their function, etc will be same, making this difference pointless.
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} per above
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per the Collector of Coins.
#{{User|Zero777}} Per Coincollector
#({User|GloopMaster}) see above

*<s>{{User|YoshiGo99}}</s>

===Comments===
Like what {{User|BoygeyDude}} said, there are complete differences in the two pillars. They both have different movements, different names, different appearances. They are not a "specialized version" of '''Pillar''' or anything of that junk. It is its '''own enemy'''. So frankly, I don't understand your reasoning Coincollector... {{User:Supremo78/sig}} 21:54, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

:Oh and @Coincollector, If you say they are pretty much the same, then why does [[Mega Unagi]] have its own article? There's one minor difference and one major difference. The minor is that it's just extremely bigger than the regular [[Unagi]], and the major is that it can break though blocks and all of that. {{User:Supremo78/sig}} 21:56, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
::Because Mega Unagi is an official name and spike pillar is not {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
Conjectural titles have nothing to do with the moving or seperation of articles. I see tons of conjectural title articles that are on this wiki, and are perfectly fine. {{User:Supremo78/sig}} 22:07, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
@ Supremo78: Yeah, there are many, but tell me if there is a conjectural name basing on another conjectural name (ie: the conjectural name of a subspecies with the main species having a conjectural name too). Despite of your interpretation, you can't add science of a Spike Pillar to make it different of a Spikeless one, for example, different movements -almost all pillars move similarly-, sound... the appearance is right, but arguably the only difference you can count{{user|Coincollector}}
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 ==Split Spike Pillar from Pillar==
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 Here is the thing. I can relate this to many articles. For example, Unagi. A sup-species, Mega Unagi, has its own page. They are different in actions and have different names. Same thing with Spike Pillar and Pillar. Spike Pillars is a different type of Pillar. It should be made into its own article.
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 #{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per the Collector of Coins.
 #{{User|Zero777}} Per Coincollector
+#({User|GloopMaster}) see above
 *<s>{{User|YoshiGo99}}</s>
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 Conjectural titles have nothing to do with the moving or seperation of articles. I see tons of conjectural title articles that are on this wiki, and are perfectly fine. {{User:Supremo78/sig}} 22:07, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
 @ Supremo78: Yeah, there are many, but tell me if there is a conjectural name basing on another conjectural name (ie: the conjectural name of a subspecies with the main species having a conjectural name too). Despite of your interpretation, you can't add science of a Spike Pillar to make it different of a Spikeless one, for example, different movements -almost all pillars move similarly-, sound... the appearance is right, but arguably the only difference you can count{{user|Coincollector}}
-== Location ==
-Can someone tell me where exactly they appear in New Super Mario Bros. Wii? I've been scanning videos for an exact location, but all I've come up with are a whole bunch of [[Skewer]]s. Is it just a leftover from when the articles were merged? {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
-:[[:File:8-Fortressnsmbwii.png|These brown things]] from [[World 8-Tower (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)|World 8-Tower]] are close enough, I guess. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:08, 20 December 2014 (EST)
-::Not really, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEUUaaLlbb8 from what I can tell]. They seem to just be retractable platforms, and definitely don't stomp on Mario like the SMW pillars. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
-:::They can still skoosh Mario like any other pillar, just in other ways. I don't recall New Super Mario Bros. DS to have the same type of obstacle has the giant wooden mallet-like thing of death, but they do have the moving pillar things akin to the brown things that squish you, especially in World 7-Castle. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:03, 20 December 2014 (EST)
-== German Name ==
-Moin, <br/>
-Can anyone tell me where he got the German name "Holzhammer" from? Is it from [[Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2]]?
-Greetings [[User:Klap Trap|Klappi]] ([[User talk:Klap Trap|talk]]) 02:08, October 3, 2020 (EDT)