Editing User talk:Owencrazyboy9

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To look at my first couple messages from 2011-2018, click [[User talk:Owencrazyboy9/Archive 1|this link]].

All right! You can now begin chatting! I would like to try to divert your attention away from section 1, 5, 6 and 14, if at all possible, which contain events I'd rather not talk about. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)

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== Smash Ultimate ==

But the thing is, they ''always'' appear as the final bosses for the characters' storylines that they do. Therefore, they are intended as specific entities, and aren't the randomly-generated thing like in the middle of ''Melee''{{'}}s classic mode. Metal Mario is Bowser's absolute final boss, and Giant DK is Jigglypuff's (with her story being an extended callback to Smash 64). Therefore, not having them is purely withholding information. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:21, 25 December 2018 (EST)
:Oh, yeah? You could say the same thing about Bowser's fourth round, because they're always giant every time they're fought and they're not even at the end. Also, "final boss" is misleading. While most characters fight a specific boss from one of their franchises (e.g. [[Kirby]] vs. [[Marx]]), other times they either fight [[Master Hand]] or they don't. Take [[Mega Man]] for example. He fights [[Dr. Mario]] first and then [[Mewtwo]] afterwards. His actual boss fight takes place before the final round, which is against [[Galleom]] from the Subspace Emissary. Again, Bowser fights [[Rathalos]] whose round is '''''before''''' the Bonus Game, which is before the fight against Mario, and then later, Metal Mario. In this case, the only bosses that should count are the ones with health bars at the top of the screen instead of a Stamina Battle-esque HP counter at the bottom of the screen or a damage percentage meter. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 11:09, 25 December 2018 (EST)
::That is wholly irrelevant. They are the final obstacle fought in the campaign, and as such the final boss. Rathalos isn't the boss for Bowser, but is for other characters who face him. Games can have multiple final bosses; ''Kirby Super Star'', for example, has King Dedede, Dyna Blade, Meta Knight, Wham Bam Rock, and Marx all acting as final bosses for their respective modes. The fact is, Metal Mario and Giant DK were individual bosses in the original SSB, and they're even moreso here. Not having them is misleading in that it's not acknowledging they exist, but it's outright ''hiding'' the fact that certain entities that aren't the ones otherwise listed act as the final battle for the mode. The stamina vs. % thing doesn't matter either; Metal Mario acted as a boss in the first two games, and had a %. And yes, that's still a boss, just as much as Sagat is a boss in ''Street Fighter II''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:29, 25 December 2018 (EST)
:::In case you want to use it as a reference, SmashWiki classifies Giant Donkey Kong and Metal Mario in ''Ultimate'' as minor bosses. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:36, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::::Looked it up. Yeah, they are classified as "minor." Even though the fact stands that they are not classified as "bosses" (e.g. They don't have a health bar at the top of the screen), we can maybe make this distinction in the actual template itself. Waiting to see other's thoughts first before going through. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 20:55, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::::Metal Mario was a boss in the original SSB, and didn't have a health bar. Giga Bowser was a boss in Melee, and didn't have a health bar. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:18, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::::::My comment said to distinguish these two as "minor" bosses, not the real deal. Again, they are not classified as actual "bosses" (again, they don't have the health bar at the top of the screen and rely on the good ol' damage percentage meter every other playable fighter has). &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 21:34, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::Talking on SmashWiki Discord, I'm told these two characters only appear at the end of a character's route during Classic. They do appear during spirit battles, but so do Ganon and Giga Bowser. With that, I'm pretty sure these are intended to be some kind of bosses. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:00, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::::::::And by spirit battles, you mean World of Light? Those two are actual bosses, as in, health bar at the top of the screen and both appear in both Classic Mode and World of Light. So do Marx, Galleom, Dracula and Rathalos, to name a few. Metal Mario and Giant DK are just the regular characters with a permanent Metal Box or Super Mushroom power-up and it's just me but calling them bosses is a big stretch; even if they were intended to be callbacks to the original N64 game, even more so in Jigglypuff's case. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 22:57, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::::A health bar is ''not'' the defining factor of being a boss. Rather, the ''role'' is, and they fit the role in their respective routes. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:18, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::::::::::Yes, I meant World of Light. I'd say both the health bar and the role is what defines a boss here. If it has both a health bar and is fought at the end of a major goal, they are a major boss. While Metal Mario and Giant DK do not have a health bar, their role is similar to Master Hand's in previous games, i.e. a boss. In Classic, they share the same roles as Giga Bowser, Ganon, and Dracula, etc. Defeat them to win the whole challenge, the definition of a boss. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 00:43, 5 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::Anyways, since you haven't responded to the above, I think I'll go ahead and re-add them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:13, 18 January 2019 (EST)

"Permanently Super Mushroomed" is ''not'' an argument for this. As the final opponent that has ''any'' sort of distinction, he is, by ''definition'', a boss. If [[Stink Bug Parent]] is a "boss," this ''definitely'' is. Stop being so pedantic, and look at what Alex and I said above. Claiming that "the game doesn't classify him as a boss under any circumstance" is flagrantly false, as again, by being ''specifically set aside as the most powerful last opponent'', he is by the ''sole'' definition of the phrase, a video game boss. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:23, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
:Smash Wiki claims [[smashwiki:Giant Donkey Kong|Giant Donkey Kong]] as a boss, by the way, and has been since near the page's creation in 2006. His role as a boss in ''Ultimate'' does not conflict with his role as a playable character. They can be both, look at [[Giga Bowser]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:38, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::Again, they are not bosses. The giant Donkey Kong in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' is just to a Super Mushroom that never goes away and only has a percentage meter, something most Smash Bros. bosses '''''do not''''' have. In fact, Classic Mode doesn't make any distinctions between regular fighters or giant fighters (as an example, Gourmet Clash, Kirby's Classic Mode route has fights against both a Giant Yoshi and a Giant Wario, but they're both labelled without the "giant" moniker before battle. The same case applies to Metal Mario, in which he's just a Mario with a permanent Metal Box item. In this case, the actual "bosses" in ''Ultimate'' (as in, the announcer doesn't start the fight with "Ready? Go!" unlike the regular fighter matches, they have health bars at the top of the screen and are only found in Classic Mode and/or World of Light when applicable) are [[Giga Bowser]], [[Galeem]], [[Dharkon]], [[Marx]], [[Dracula]], [[Rathalos]], [[Galleom]], [[Ganon]], [[Master Hand]] and [[Crazy Hand]]. And no, the stage bosses [[Yellow Devil]], [[Metal Face]] and the Dark Emperor don't count. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 21:49, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
:::''Again'', that they are a "permanent mushroom/metal box" ''does not matter''. What matters is that they are the specifically high-powered ending opponents, which ''again'' is the '''''only''''' definition for "video game boss" that there '''is'''. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:24, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::"Again, again," it '''''should''''' matter. They are just fights with regular characters that permanently use an item - that's how the giant and metal fights in previous games worked (besides the first game, obviously as the Super Mushroom and Metal Box weren't items that can be used in regular fights in the original). And sometimes the last challenge for a fighter in Classic Mode isn't a boss, but rather a bunch of playable characters (to provide two examples: Mega Man's route has Galleom as a boss, but not as the final opponent in which case a fight against Dr. Mario and Mewtwo one after another is the final rival faced, which are not bosses and finally Bowser's route has Rathalos as a boss but again, it's not the final round. In Bowser's case, it's a fight against Mario and a permanently-Metal Boxed Metal Mario almost immediately afterward. Like with Mega Man's final rival, they are not bosses, but playable characters). &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 22:30, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::Actually, it does matter:
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The giant Donkey Kong in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' is just to a Super Mushroom that never goes away and only has a percentage meter, something most Smash Bros. bosses '''''do not''''' have.
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::::This is one of many qualities that make a boss, an endless powered-up form that the player would otherwise not have access to (outside of Special Smash, but this is Classic Mode). GDK may not have a power meter like the other bosses, but it is still fought at the end of a Classic Route like them. In other words, a boss. Same applies to Metal Mario if he's fought at the end of a route. The Giant Yoshi is probably more of a reference to the second fight in ''Brawl'' (as he's also the second fight here), not handled the same way as Giant DK. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:36, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Oh, yeah? Well you can actually do a Special Smash (as in, not in Classic Mode), that makes every single fighter either permanently huge or permanently metal, to name a few. Therefore, the supposed "boss" distinction for these sorts of rivals in Classic Mode doesn't even matter. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 22:51, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::He just said that about the special smash. ._. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:59, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Oops. Didn't notice. XD Anyway, I '''''still''''' wouldn't consider those two and even instances of there being a Giant Kirby and a Metal Luigi in Melee's Adventure Mode "bosses." You have to ring them out the same way as a regular fighter in a Smash match. And in all of those cases, the character is literally the same as a regular fighter with a permanent item attached à la Bowser's fight in Knockout Challenge from ''Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash.'' The fact people consider those fights to be bosses is just misleading and inaccurate. There was also the time one of you two (I can't remember which) said that the Dr. Mario & Mewtwo fight at the end of Mega Man's Classic Mode route was a boss, but it's not (kind of like fighting King Dedede in the Platinum League before the Dededestroyer Z in Kirby Battle Royale). &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:25, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Technically, anyone fought at the end of a Classic route could be considered a boss due to their role. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:26, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::I'd say it's misleading to say they're not bosses. The optional Giant Kirby in Melee was nowhere near the end. The Metal Bros., Bowser, and Giga Bowser were ''Melee'' Adventure Bosses, though, and are fought near the end. They just com off as being bosses from a gameplay perspective. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:28, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

To Alex95: Well, the game doesn't consider those types of fighters bosses just because they're fought at the end. That's how the Kirbys from the Kirby Printer, Meta Knight and Dedede work in Kirby Battle Royale's Story Mode, as an example, so why can't the same apply to these fighters in Smash Bros?<br>
To Doc von Schmeltwick: Again, how are any of those bosses? Giant Kirby and Bowser are literally just a bit bigger thanks to a permanent Super Mushroom, the Metal Bros. are permanently Metal Boxed foes and Giga Bowser is even fought just like a regular character in the final event match in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee.'' The only time I could consider Giga Bowser an actual boss would be ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate,'' but that's only because it has an actual health bar instead of a damage percentage, like every other boss in World of Light and Classic Mode that isn't just a playable character. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:40, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
:This conversation is going in circles just being on user talk pages. Something should be brought up on Donkey Kong's talk page now. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:43, April 17, 2019 (EDT)
::I agree. Though I have to close up shop soon, because I have to go to bed in a few minutes. Either you can bring it up on that talk page or I can do it tomorrow morning. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:52, April 17, 2019 (EDT)

== Spacing ==

Just wondering, what was fixed [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=World_6-1_%28New_Super_Mario_Bros._2%29&type=revision&diff=2590622&oldid=2590589 here]? Removing the space after the apostrophes removed the space from the article too, at least from my view, and I don’t see other changes. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 18:41, 27 January 2019 (EST)
:For some reason, on my browser (which is Google Chrome, BTW), and with the main font text being Marker Felt, there's a bit of extra space after World 6-1 that doesn't look natural. I wonder if other browsers or fonts handle that differently. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 19:43, 27 January 2019 (EST)
::Strange; my browser still showed the spacing normally (and I was using Chrome as well, BTW). {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 19:46, 27 January 2019 (EST)

== Toad town ==

About toad town. Can we make it sound better? I live by the “best or nothing” rule! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 11:35, April 7, 2019 (EDT)
:I think that's as best-sounding as we're going to get for the time being. And besides, most articles on this very wiki will spoil some elements of the games in question, usually including final boss levels and even secret areas. Removing information because it spoils events from a particular game is just ridiculous. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 11:59, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

::WAIT I HAVE AN IDEA What if like a person wanted to look up something in super mario sluggeres (just read article) but did’nt want to see photos!!! Imagine if you could turn of photos in your preferences or like spoilers and there can be a command like <Spoilier> Final boss in m&lsss </spoilier> Imagine if someone turned it off then they will not see it!!! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 12:17, April 7, 2019 (EDT)
:::That's pretty interesting. Hiding these images is also a great way to save on page load times. I mean, try going to [[Bowser]]'s page and it takes almost one whole minute to load, thanks to there being A LOT of information on it. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 12:35, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

== [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GWS3ccmvI Is Australia an instrument?] ==

I am confused as to what to write exactly in the "about" template at the top of each level article for ''[[Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again!]]'' (such as [[Room 1-1 (Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again!)|Room 1-1]] and so on). British English games are generally the ones released in Australia, so is it okay if I just use "European" to cover all regions outside of the Americas and Japan or am I discriminating? {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 18:21, April 12, 2019 (EDT)
:I'm actually not too sure what to go with. The British English version is the same across both European and Australian consoles (e.g. Yoshi's Woolly World using the term "trousers," even in Australia), so just go with British English. Any objections? &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:24, April 12, 2019 (EDT)
::Thing is, the game may use different level designations depending on the version. Levels designated "1-X", "2-X", "3-X" and "4-X" in American and Japanese versions are changed to "G-X", "1-X", "2-X" and "3-X" respectively in other regions, such as UK, France, Spain, Australia etc., basically Europe and Oceania. (Apparently the game wasn't released in South Africa.) I would rather go for "European" instead of "British English", but I wanted to know if I should also specify Australia along with it or is it redundant considering the Australian version is equivalent to the British English version. {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 18:33, April 12, 2019 (EDT)

== Smash Bros. Kirby ==

If you weren't sure it wasn't allowed, you should have posted on the talk page first. And I wasn't aware of the information already in trivia, but your tone [[Special:Diff/2641953|here]] was completely unnecessary. I shouldn't have to remind you again about your attitude in your summaries. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:46, April 15, 2019 (EDT)

==[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Owencrazyboy9&curid=129078&diff=2642227&oldid=2641955 This]==
[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Owencrazyboy9&curid=129078&diff=2642227&oldid=2641955 This] is disrespectful. You are directly stating what others say (In this case an admin, which is worse) is not worth you time. You should listen to advice and not be rude to it. You may of violated part of [[MarioWiki:Courtesy]]. These would include the following slides: '''ignore other users.''' and '''critique an admin's performance behind their back.''' (due to claiming that their advice is not worth your time). Thanks for your understanding. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 14:58, April 16, 2019 (EDT)
:I just simply added that message (which was around on my [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Owencrazyboy9/Archive_1&oldid=2565875|first talk page archive] by the way), just to try to divert any regular user's attention away from those sections for various reasons (e.g. my days on the early years of the wiki, major conflicts I'd rather not talk about, etc.) I've removed that bit here, and I should probably do the same to my talk page archive, too. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 15:10, April 16, 2019 (EDT)
::The main problem with those comments is that the way that the way that they were worded made it seem like a harsh stab to advice. If you rewrote it to explain it as you just said about why you would want to divert a user from it without making it seem like a rude comment, then it may be re-added. As for the talk archive as it is an archive and thus in the past it does not need to be changed. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 15:18, April 16, 2019 (EDT)

== BiS Music Name ==

Why did you rename the music name in BiS' media section?
You changed them to the 3DS titles, which are '''completely different''' from the original ones. --{{User:Tent2/sig}} 18:49, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
:I did that because the original names were very likely to be either fan names or Japanese names that were translated into English, because the original soundtrack (before the 3DS remake) was never released in America or Europe at all and the music tracks in question were never given any official English names, save for a rare few that were featured in ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U''. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 19:02, April 22, 2019 (EDT)

== About fan term redirects ==

"There is no need to delete alternate name, conjectural, or spelling-mistake redirects unless they are specifically too silly or too general."  The redirect is allowed by policy.  Redirects are there to keep people away from the horrors of the search page, and as long as there's any chance that there's one guy in the world who will use the redirect, it's not useless.  Unless the search page is the best place for the user to be, redirects like this are allowed and encouraged. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 14:43, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
:The "conjectural" part is a little odd, tbh. We don't allow fan content, why would we allow fan names? Pretty sure it's referring to conjectural titles that have been long-standing on the wiki, and not one that was made specifically for a redirect. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:30, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
::It's a redirect.  Not an article.  Like I said, redirects exist to keep users away from the horrors of the search page.  Redirects are an exception to the "official names only" rule, and for good reason.  If they're commonly used despite being unofficial, it's a valid redirect. -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 16:47, May 9, 2019 (EDT)

== Owencrazyboy72 ==

Someone sighed up with the name {{User|Owencrazyboy72}} earlier. Wondering if this is someone you know, or if you perhaps had forgotten your password. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:01, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
:No. It's not me or someone I know, from my memory. If I had to guess, it's either a guy trying to impersonate me or someone different with a very similar username. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:04, June 5, 2019 (EDT)

== Terminology ==

I noticed you're the only one who is using the "British English" terminology for lots of things. I don't know if it's just because I'm from the UK, but this terminology makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable, and besides I think "European" is actually a more accurate one, if we ignore all the brexit crap of course. [[User:Best Fitness Friends|Best Fitness Friends]] ([[User talk:Best Fitness Friends|talk]]) 14:51, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
:Let me point you towards [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 53#Either restrict usage of or don't use NTSC or PAL on articles|this proposal I did earlier this year]]. We changed the rules into using the "American English" or "British English" terminology for portable consoles and the recent home consoles starting with the Wii U, because it was more accurate compared to using NTSC or PAL for everything. I say "British" English, because it really is the British version ("colour" instead of "color," "draught" instead of "draft," etc.). The Australian version is even the exact same as the British version in question, so there's that. Just thought I'd get you up to speed. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 15:02, June 6, 2019 (EDT)

== Swedish Böb-ømb ==

The translation might come from the dubbed cartoons. {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 13:51, June 8, 2019 (EDT)
:Huh, interesting. But until someone knows for sure that there ''is'' a translation for Bob-ombs in Swedish, then it should be re-added with a proper source (in this case, one of the episodes in Swedish). &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 13:59, June 8, 2019 (EDT)

== IP quote page ==

If the change isn't necessary and doesn't actually mess with the structure of the page, it's not really necessary to fix it, either. All it's doing is creating a pointless edit war.

They say there's a joke order, might be something to look into. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:53, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

==Italics in edit summaries==
Hello, I just wanted to let you know that italics and bold don't work in edit summaries. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 22:47, June 16, 2019 (EDT)
:Knew that already. Just using "quotation" for emphasis. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:04, June 16, 2019 (EDT)
::Heh, sorry. It looked like you were using italics. My apologies. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 23:06, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

== "Grrrr" ==

[[Special:Diff/2693049|These]] [[Special:Diff/2692200|summaries]] [[Special:Diff/2690222|when getting]] [[Special:Diff/2664458|your edits]] removed come off as extremely passive-aggressive. ''Don't do that.'' {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:23, June 20, 2019 (EDT)

== In terms of deletion ==
I hate to come off as rude or mean, but if I am moving/dealing/flipping a file, please ''don't touch it'', especially with <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>. Not only is it hard for my system to process, but should the file be deleted before I am done fixing the filing routes, it could leave red-linking blanks around, which is usually looked down on. Sometimes I have internet problems too, so if 24 hours pass and no change happens, go ahead and delete away, but otherwise I WILL come back to it. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 21:38, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
:Sorry for that. Didn't know any better. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 21:40, June 23, 2019 (EDT)
::You're fine, don't get worried or anything. Just try and avoid down the line. Keep up the other good work! [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 21:45, June 23, 2019 (EDT)

== Reporting Vandals ==
Hello, the IP address [[Special:Contributions/92.12.82.218|92.12.82.218]] you reported actually made a helpful edit before vandalizing, and their vandalism to the SM64 template was minor, so I'm not too sure if reporting that IP address was necessary. Seeing that you've already done it, try not to report IP addresses unless their vandalism is big enough to require reporting them on the admin noticeboard. Thanks! [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 14:13, June 30, 2019 (EDT)
:That wasn't the address I reported. It was actually [[Special:Contributions/92.12.182.218|92.12.182.218]]. But yeah, maybe the block period should either be shorter or outright non-existent for the time being, upon closer inspection. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:56, June 30, 2019 (EDT)

== Tread Carefully==
In every version of the game there's a microgame that you have to use the mic for in 9-Volt's stage, but despite that, I've never actually come across Tread Carefully in the actual level in Touched!. Have you? [[User:GreenToxic|GreenToxic]] ([[User talk:GreenToxic|talk]]) 17:26, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNLjh2U7Kqg This video] showcases the Mike and 9-Volt microgames in the Album mode, which I used for reference on that Tread Carefully page. Yes, Tread Carefully can show up in those games, as long as they involve the microphone in some way. Yes, it shows up after 5 levels of those specific microgames. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 19:06, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
::Wait, misread your message. I actually have no idea if it appears in that particular stage, I just added it there because some microgames in that stage use the microphone. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 19:08, July 15, 2019 (EDT)
:::Yeah, The microgame does not appear in Wario Man or 9-Volt's stages, only their mic games in the Album. I fixed the page. Glad we were able to clear that up! Have a great day! [[User:GreenToxic|GreenToxic]] ([[User talk:GreenToxic|talk]]) 21:44, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

==Awards Results!==
Heya, just a heads up, be sure to check your forum account as I've sent you a PM with the results for M23 Favorite Capture for you to begin work on your presentation.  Thank you for signing up, and I'm looking forward to what you've got! {{User:Hypnotoad/sig}} 16:38, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
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 Welcome to my talk page! If you want to chat here, feel free to do so. However, there are a few rules to keep in mind:
 #Don't type curse words on this page. I'm VERY sensitive when it comes to that. If that does happen, though, I'll just censor it to protect the innocence of children everywhere.
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-All right! You can now begin chatting! If at all possible, I would like to try to divert your attention away from sections 1, 5, 6, 14 and 20 (conveniently labelled on the Table of Contents below), which contain events I'd rather not talk about. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)
+All right! You can now begin chatting! I would like to try to divert your attention away from section 1, 5, 6 and 14, if at all possible, which contain events I'd rather not talk about. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 18:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)
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 ==Awards Results!==
 Heya, just a heads up, be sure to check your forum account as I've sent you a PM with the results for M23 Favorite Capture for you to begin work on your presentation.  Thank you for signing up, and I'm looking forward to what you've got! {{User:Hypnotoad/sig}} 16:38, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
-== Re: [[User talk:209.188.47.227|209.188.47.227]] ==
-[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:209.188.47.227&oldid=2719339 One instance of incorrect information does not a particularly blockworthy offense make.] I'd be extremely wary of hanging that over the head of an editor who genuinely might not know better. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 21:17, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
-:To be fair, some other IPs literally did the exact same thing that IP did a few weeks ago. Who knows if that same user was under a different address and/or using multiple addresses at once? I would say that if the IP does it again, they should be reported and/or blocked ASAP, but that's just me. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 21:58, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
-::And I say that it doesn't make sense to presume bad faith without any solid and/or conclusive proof, especially considering that said edits are likely based on an understandable misconception. Benefit of the doubt and all, plus definitive proof of bad faith edits is also necessary before a block would be considered, I'd imagine. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 23:22, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
-==Alright, this needs to stop.==
-{{warning}}
-Presuming bad faith with regards to an edit is one thing. [[User talk:RickTommy#Paper Mario bestiary|Presuming bad faith from an edit that contradicts yours and replying with the implication of "harsher consequences" that you have no means of enforcing]] - in what appears to be an attempt to cow them into letting you have your way - is absolutely not on, to put my opinion ''lightly.'' --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 12:07, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
-==Regional Differences==
-Alright, is this enough for you? https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate/Version_Differences#Regional_Differences
-The R.O.B part in the japanese version of the games uses by default the japanese colours, meaning the programmers had to alter the code a bit to make R.O.B's japanese colours the default one where in the international version they altered to make the American one the default colour. If that's not a minor change in the game's code, I don't know what else to convince you. --[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 17:07, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
-:Yeah, that's true...but they did the same for Super Mario Maker's Mystery Mushroom costume, too. The big difference is that Super Mario Maker came out for the Wii U, when the discs were region-coded, meaning European discs can only play on European/Australian systems, for example. Whereas Smash Ultimate is region-free, meaning that changing the language in the Settings menu in-game changes things around so that when playing Japanese, Chinese or Korean, R.O.B.'s default colours are the Famicom ones, and when playing any other version (from the same region-free cartridge, BTW), it's the Robotic Operating Buddy colours. Not sure what else to tell you. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 20:37, July 21, 2019 (EDT)
-==[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Sledge_Bro&curid=8361&diff=2724485&oldid=2724453 "Vandalism"]==
-That could have been a simple mistake, especially if they are new to the site. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 18:48, July 25, 2019 (EDT)
-==Presentation Checkpoint==
-Please check out and respond to the PM I just sent on the forum, thanks! {{User:Hypnotoad/sig}} 22:24, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
-== [[Special:Diff/2731939|Fuzzy Bosshood]] ==
-For the record, the Nintendo Power guide does not refer to Gold Fuzzy or Fuzzy Horde as a boss - but at the same time, it ''also'' does not label enemies that are clearly individual mini-bosses in general (like Gus, the Blooper and Glitzville's Iron Clefts), so there needs to be some consistency with how all of these subjects are treated. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:28, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
-:Agreed. How about in this case, any enemies that feature mid-boss-like music (e.g. Lord Crump's first fight, the Blooper and Gus), alongside those that have their own unique music tracks (e.g. The Shadow Sirens, Doopliss, Magnus von Grapple, Lord Crump's second fight) should be considered bosses in some capacity. Not those that feature the standard battle music. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 13:01, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
-== Janjan Land ==
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGNtFN9q-s0
-Super Mario Fushigi no Janjan land is a medal arcade game focused around [[Super Mario Bros. 3]]. It has nothing to do with the Mario Party series. I was fixing the articles to reflect this, and you undo all of my work. Explain? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 23:23, August 16, 2019 (EDT)
-:I undid all the edits under the assumption that the game was part of the Mario Party series. Looking at the article again now, I now realize that it wasn't part of the Mario Party games after all. Sorry for the confusion. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:32, August 16, 2019 (EDT)
-==Trig likes help==
-Hey, if you would like to help with this little project I'm trying here, to move some [[Super Paper Mario|SPP]] files, let me know on [[User talk:Trig Jegman|my talk page]]. More simple information can be found [[User:Trig Jegman/sandbox|here]] under 'Project'. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 21:56, August 17, 2019 (EDT)
-::Since someone beat you to the first twenty, would you like to take over 41-60 instead? Same amount, just different numbers. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 22:35, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
-:::In that case...sure! &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 22:43, August 20, 2019 (EDT)
-== Ellipses ==
-Is there any reason you need to leave a bunch of ellipses in your summaries? The edits have been dealt with, just ignore them. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:42, August 21, 2019 (EDT)
-:Sorry. I just get really annoyed when those sorts of edits happen immediately after my most recent edits in question. It's annoying and it's cumbersome. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:04, August 21, 2019 (EDT)
-::IMO, being annoyed is ''not'' a valid reason to [[User:Owencrazyboy9#Things on this Wiki Likely to Make Me Annoyed|leave edit reasons with "Grrr" and "...................................."]], which are both very passive-aggressive. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 15:11, August 22, 2019 (EDT)
-^ {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:32, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
-:::I don't want to give you a reminder, but you shouldn't leave edit summaries with long ellipses. I even asked Alex95 why putting long ellipses in edit summaries is said to be passive-aggressive, and he responded, "It's just really unnecessary, does nothing helpful, and makes the message longer than it needs to be." Please comply. [[User:Dwhitney|Dwhitney]] ([[User talk:Dwhitney|talk]]) 21:38, May 8, 2020 (EDT)
-== RE: What counts as a boss in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate? ==
-What do you mean you don't know why people keep reverting the edits? It's been brought up both [[#Smash Ultimate|on your talk page]] and [[Talk:Donkey_Kong#Giant_Donkey_Kong_in_Smash_Bros._Ultimate|Donkey Kong's]], both of which you took part in.
-Regardless, a "boss", in its simplest definition, is someone that stands in your way of a goal. Health Bars, announcements, and permanent effects don't matter, it's the ''role''. Giant Donkey Kong fits the same role as Giga Bowser in some Classic Modes. There are also bosses in some other games that act differently from one another, though it certainly isn't a common case.
-In the case of Giant Donkey Kong's role (as the example) being different in some other classic modes... so? He's not a boss in that character's progression, but he is a boss in another character's. A boss character can have many different roles. Ever play ''Kid Icarus: Uprising''? Magnus and Dark Pit are both treated as an ally, a boss, and a playable character on one occasion each.
-Before ''Ultimate'', Metal Mario is considered a boss in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' by his trophy (though "mid-level", he is still called a boss), yet he is still a playable character when Mario grabs a Metal Box. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:00, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-:Well, yeah. They can be treated by the game as bosses in specific circumstances, but in this specific example, spirits on the Spirit Board and World of Light and other fighters in Classic Mode also have this "boss role" of impeding the player's progress...just like the Giant Yoshi and Giant Wario in Kirby's Classic Mode...yet again, as another example. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 14:16, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-::What I meant was someone who stands directly at or before the goal and tries to keep you from obtaining it. Everything else is just a standard obstacle. Giant Donkey Kong fulfills both of these roles. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:23, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-:::Sure. But then again, there should be some way to distinguish the major end-of-Classic Mode roadblocks on the template instead of lumping them with the other bosses from both World of Light and Classic Mode. It's either that, or start a proposal. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 14:26, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-::::Well, with the exception of Galeem and Dharkon, they're all used in both, though the Giant/Metal characters aren't exactly bosses in World of Light. Splitting them between WoL and Classic would just be inaccurate, or you'd end up duplicating information to cover both bases. How are you thinking? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:33, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::I meant in the context of not including the bosses with the health bars at the top of the screen. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 14:53, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-::::::That seems like an unnecessary distinction, considering what we just talked about here. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:21, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
-== Welcome back ==
-I'm sure you would remember me, I just want to say that I am sorry for the rude stuff I said to you right before you were blocked (which I feel a bit responsible for, since I got a warning at the same time), now I hope we can put it behind us and we can just remain civilised while editing on here. [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 05:03, December 10, 2019 (EST)
-:I actually didn't notice it because I've been on WiKirby for the entire block duration and then some, but thanks for apologizing. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 11:17, December 10, 2019 (EST)
-== (Late) Welcome Back ==
-Hi, Owencrazyboy9. Hope all is well. During your block period, I was busy with lots of schoolwork. I made less edits on the MarioWiki, but I still surfed the wiki as a registered user. I'm a freshman in high school, and three months later, atfer you're unblocked, I'm studying for final exams. Time goes by quickly! [[User:Mari0fan100|Mari0fan100]] ([[User talk:Mari0fan100|talk]]) 21:35, December 15, 2019 (EST)
-:I could say the same thing about time going by fast. Good luck in your exams! &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 17:07, December 17, 2019 (EST)
-== PAL is not the same as Europe ==
-In several recent edits across the site, you've replaced the PAL/NTSC terminology with specific countries and regions, namely grouping all of PAL as Europe. This excludes many countries and regions commonly found in the templates such as Australia, Hong Kong, and South Korea. I think you should revert these edits.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 02:29, August 4, 2022 (EDT)
-:I see that you've made a [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/53#Either_restrict_usage_of_or_don't_use_NTSC_or_PAL_on_articles|proposal]] a few years back regarding this issue. Is there any reason that you're replacing instances of NTSC/PAL for older system games when the passed proposal calls for them to be exempted?--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 05:36, August 4, 2022 (EDT)