Talk:Mine

Conjectural name? -- Son of Suns

yup.
I am Confused 22:29, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

The SMW mines are called Floating Mines by Mario Mania, the official strategy guide.--Platform 11:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

If they were officially called "Floating Mimes", then surely the article ought to be moved to that name? 94.197.121.25 11:48, 14 October 2014 (EDT)

Mine Fish?

You'll never guess!!! You know those Mines in the Cosmic cove galaxy? when i got to their right, it turned and revealed it had eyes!!! Do you think it's not really a mine and another enemy? i've got a pic!!! File:Mine Fish.jpg

COSMIcPikMIN & Items

p.s.:Also we could not blow them instantly with Co-Star Luma!!!

These could be just another type of "living mine", as a Thwomp is to a cinder block. And yes, Thwomps are techically animate, but these could be too.

Star Bit Mines?

The Mines in the Slimy Spring Galaxy, just above the first underwater segment, give 3 Star Bits when shot, in a manner similar to Slurples and Topminis.

Why move the page to "Mine"?

In the beginning of the article, there's a template for a suggestion of renaming the article to just Mine, but why? Literally the first topic in this Talk page talks about how Floating Mine is its official name.--Tent2 17:24, February 3, 2021 (EST)

Because "floating mine" hasn't been used in years, not all of them float, and simply "mine" is more common. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:01, February 3, 2021 (EST)

According to LinkTheLefty (who added the template) it's parsed "floating Mine" on page 58, and the page 52 ref is in all caps. Based on that, the "floating" part is just a descriptive adjective rather than part of the name and it should have been simply "Mine" all along. 14:49, February 5, 2021 (EST)

I agree with moving it to 'mine' if it's going to incorporate every other kind of mine.

Shokora (talk · edits) 08:00, September 26, 2021 (EDT)

Maybe the "Spiny" from Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix (if that's the case, should the article be "Spiny (object)" or is there a more recent instance of "mine"?)? LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:25, September 26, 2021 (EDT)

So, I'm starting to think there's a better way to organize this info altogether. There appears be some overlap with bombs, namely in Super Mario 64 and the Mario Party series. Additionally, these things don't even blow up in every game, such as in Super Mario World. What's more, the Super Mario Galaxy ones seem to be two different objects (considered "enemies" in Encyclopedia). And then, as mentioned before, there are the one-off, mine-like "Spiny" objects from Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix. The main thing the objects in this article have in common is that they are spiked orbs, but the design isn't even as consistent as the usual Spike Balls. I think at the very least, the underwater Galaxy one (Kiraira) should be split out of the article, since it uniquely has eyes and regenerates, if not bundled with the Space Mine like Encyclopedia does later in the Galaxy 2 section. Potentially, the non-explosive (Spike Ball-like) and explosive (bomb-like) ones can be split as well. Thoughts? LinkTheLefty (talk) 16:51, March 22, 2022 (EDT)

The 3D World """Mine"""

You know, I'm personally unsure if the Mario 3D World/Captain Toad/Bowser's Fury version should even be on here. I think it should be moved to Spike Ball instead. Its Japanese name (Togebōru/Togeball) certainly suggests that it's a Spike Ball instead of a mine, and its coloration (green with yellow spikes) AND its internal name (Needle Seed) make it seem like it's specifically closer to the Spike Balls that River Piranha Plants use. They certainly don't explode like mines either. Touching them forces the player to go back instead of exploding, and destroying them with a fireball or invincibility makes them crumble, with some kind of crumpling sound effect, denoting they're some kind of plant instead of an explosive. Arend (talk) 10:11, August 21, 2022 (EDT)

That'd be one way to clean up the "dud" mines from the "bomb" mines. I think we should include Super Mario World as part of the Spike Ball merge as well since Japanese Encyclopedia uses the same name as the one from Super Mario 3D World. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:18, August 21, 2022 (EDT)

I am personally unsure if we should include the Super Mario World one with the Spike Ball merge, considering that they have an alternate Japanese name from a different guide that does state they're mines, these cannot be destroyed by fireballs unlike the plant-like ones from 3D World (then again, a regular iron black Spike Ball doesn't either), and they don't even have the same colors (rather than green with yellow spikes like the Spike Balls from River Piranha Plants, they're yellow or beige, seemingly made of wood). Not to mention that this article is named after the mine from Super Mario World in the first place, so splitting that one off requires this article to move to "Mine" anyway. Also, Mario's Time Machine has the same design as the one from Super Mario World, so I figure that has to move with the Super Mario World portion too. Arend (talk) 10:45, August 27, 2022 (EDT)

The thing is that they don't explode and function more like black Spike Balls, just not rolling yet like they would in later games. Given that the source also uses the early "Magnam-Killer" spelling, it's possible that kirai is another development remnant of when there was an actual naval mine object (which incidentally better resembled the explosive ones in later games). Anyway, considering that "Floating Mine" basically only showed up in Mario Mania, renaming the page isn't an issue since it was probably overdue. I was thinking that in addition to or instead of the partial merge to Spike Ball, this article could also get partially merged with the bomb article since they're more commonly referred to as bombs than mines. There's even less overlap with regular bombs than Spike Balls, which also has the usual version made by Spikes (named NeedleBall internally) in Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker. I don't know if the version from the PC/SNES Mario's Time Machine (which is also a lot smaller and has thinner needles) is the explosive or non-explosive type. So to sum up, Mikey Mine should be split as its own article (likely incorporating Space Mine), the explosives would be merged with bomb, then potentially the remainder could merge with Spike Ball. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:55, August 29, 2022 (EDT)

Figure out how to reorganize messy mines

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Saturday, December 21, 2024, 05:14 GMT

See above. Simply put, these differ too much in function and have different names, with a lot of them being referred to as bombs, the Super Mario Galaxy ones clearly being their own enemy entity, the term "Floating Mine" only referring to Super Mario World, and many of them not even being explosive. As such, it looks like this is really multiple objects. To sum it up, this article can be broken up into the following types:

• Mikey Mines, which appear in Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
• Space Mines, a subset of Mikey Mines that is only named in Super Mario Galaxy material but does reappear in Super Mario Galaxy 2.
• "Duds" that float on the water surface, which appear in Super Mario World, Mario's Time Machine, and Luigi's Mansion 3; while the last one resembles Spike Ball, those sink.
• "Duds" that sink in the water, which appear in Mario Party 6; clearly a type of fruit that cracks in half and has round bumps instead of sharp spikes, as the Japanese name indicates.
• "Duds" that are stuck in pipes, which appear in Super Mario 3D World and Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker; these share a Japanese name with the Super Mario World Floating Mine as well as the Mario Party 10 Spiked Ball, but appear to be burnable seeds.
• Explosives, which appear in Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3, Super Mario 64, Mario Party 3, Luigi's Mansion 3, and Mario Party Superstars; these are all proximity-based mines that exist in the water with the exception of the Super Mario 64 version, although that one closely resembles the Mario Party 3 version so I'll count it together.

This proposal has multiple options to handle the situation. Regardless of what passes, the resulting version of the article will be renamed to "mine".

Proposer: LinkTheLefty (talk)
Deadline: April 14, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Option 5: Split Mikey Mine and Space Mine in one "Mikey Mine" article, split the sinking mine as "mine (fruit)", and split the pipe obstruction as "spike ball (seed)"

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) My preference.
2. Somethingone (talk) This article should definitely be split. I would say split Mikey and Space as well, but the only difference with those is that one can sometimes move horizontally...
3. Blinker (talk) Per proposal. The Galaxy 2 part of the Mario Portal calling the space one "Mikey Mine" is what makes me vote for this option rather than option 6.

Option 6: Split Mikey Mine and Space Mine in two separate articles, split the sinking mine as "mine (fruit)", and split the pipe obstruction as "spike ball (seed)"

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) Second choice.
2. Arend (talk) Per proposal. You know the ordeal is a bit of a problem when nearly every section on the page is topped with a "split" or "merge to" notice.

Comments

This proposal has a very confusing array of options and I don't recommend using {{move}} to highlight every single option from this proposal into the page; you'll probably need a general purpose template like an improvised {{rewrite}}. I can agree renaming the page to "Mine" just to make it a catchall page for the generic typically-underwater counterpart of Bomb. The only split I can sort of agree to doing is Mikey Mines due to a specific name but the rest appear to verge on really specific and confusing, impractical technicalities and don't seem like extremely compelling reasons to split. For instance, the mines in Mario Party minigames are referred to as "bombs" and thus the suggestion is to put it in the bombs page, but I still feel "mine" is a better descriptor for what is otherwise a generic object. Our own bomb page, which is generally about these spherical objects with fuses, even states that "Floating Mines can be considered their naval counterparts, although they do not always explode." The Mario Party 6 case is another one: they clearly refer to the objects as "mines" but the proposal wants to make a Mine (fruit) page because they don't explode? It's not clear exactly what's going to be accomplished because these proposed changes are very confusing to me. Mario^-HOHO! (Talk / Stalk) 03:14, April 1, 2023 (EDT)

The Mario Party 6 mine isn't to be split just because it doesn't explode; its Japanese name, "きのみ" (Kinomi) literally translates to "tree nut", so it's highly likely that it wasn't supposed to be a mine at all.
One could argue the same regarding the "mines" in 3D World/Treasure Tracker. Those are spike balls that doesn't go away when a character touches it, and crumple when being hit by a fireball as if it were a plant or seed; when a mine is supposed to explode on any contact. I'd say that crumpling like a plant is odd even for a dud. To add further, the Japanese name also suggests it's a spike ball instead of a mine or bomb.
The one point I can agree with you is merging the explosive mines to the Bomb article being pointless (which is why I voted for Option 6 instead of Options 7 or 8); mines are essentially the naval counterpart of bombs, so they're supposed to explode, I don't currently see a reason to differentiate them from the duds.
I know it looks very confusing, but from how I see it, LinkTheLefty is proposing to rename the current article to "Mine" and split off four entities that the article currently covers: the Mikey Mine from the Galaxy games (which could be further split off into "Mikey Mine" and "Space Mine"), the "tree nut" mine from Mario Party 6, the seedlike Spike Ball "mine" from 3D World, and the explosive mines (which is proposed to be merged to "Bomb"). The options appear to be paired in two (with each pair adding the tree nut, the seed spike ball, and the explosives into the mix, in that order), as the even-numbered options propose to give Space Mine its own article, and the odd-numbered options to have the "Mikey Mine" article to cover the Space Mine as well. rend (talk) (edits) 08:03, April 1, 2023 (EDT)

Basically, yes. The fact that these don't explode in every appearance alone makes me wonder if these were really designed as "mines" to begin with and not just an early appearance of Spike Ball that became nonstandard (which is a far more generic subject except for possibly Wario series versions, but that can be addressed another time). That was my initial idea until I realized there was overlap with Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, but I left the bomb option open (despite not supporting it due to Luigi's Mansion 3) since that article already features multiple types of bombs and would leave this a cleaner article where every appearance has one thing in common. I admit the Mario Party 6 and Super Mario 3D World ones were later additions to the proposal, but they're obviously mislabeled - you can see the former growing on trees, and the latter serves an entirely other gameplay purpose in the way you can say Clear Pipes are different enough from the original Warp Pipes, and they can even be disposed of in a way that isn't possible before. However, I'd be open to taking suggestions within the next day or so if anyone believes another route is more optimal. I did overlook New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Luigi's Mansion suggestions in the Spike Ball article, but maybe some other time. (I also added that sentence in the bomb article recently because I thought it at least deserved to be mentioned in the infobox, but there isn't room in the item infobox.) LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:34, April 1, 2023 (EDT)