Talk:Podley

Ever refer to him as Beanish? Max2 (talk)

nice eye! They never say he is beanish,he doesnt even talk about. Full Metal Moogle

He looks exactly like one though, bean-shaped head, green skin... -- Sir Grodus

We should put a noe the it's inferred. Max2 (talk)

It isnt said that he is a bean bean. That information should NOT and i repeat NOT be on there if it isnt true- nvm maby in the trivia section- BUT THATS ALL Full Metal Moogle

We don't know if he's Beanish or not since Beanish people don't have an official name. But he is so obviously Beanish or came from the Beanbean Kingdom., especially with that reference to Chuckola Cola.
I am Confused 16:31, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

He LOOKS Beanish. Max2 (talk) It doesn't mention it, so it's not confirmed.

For that matter, how do we know Queen Bean is beanish? Some things you need to actually make an inference.
I am Confused 16:50, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Are you serious with "For that matter, how do we know Queen Bean is beanish?"?!? COME ON. Full Metal Moogle

Exactly, that was my point. Queen Bean is never confirmed to be Beanish, yet we list her as one. This guy is obviously Beanish, but we don't list him as one? That's just wrong. Then what is he? A sub-species of Beanish people?
I am Confused 16:54, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Queen Bean lives in the beanbean kingdom. She rules over all beans. Podley, on the other hand, lives in rougeport. He rules over nothingness.

Full Metal Moogle

Isn't it possible that Queen Bean rules over another species? Peach is a human, so are all people under her rule human? No, they're Toads.
I am Confused 17:07, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Peach dosent have a say in the matter, now does she? Full Metal Moogle

What do you mean Peach has no say in the matter?
I am Confused 17:11, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Peach isnt ruled by queen bean bean. So, why would she matter? Full Metal Moogle (I'm not trying to start a fight, just proving you wrong :P)

I wasn't saying that. I was just saying that it is possible to rule a kingdom with citizens who are completely different species from the ruler.
I am Confused 17:18, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Beanish Designation

I can see there's been some editing back and forth over whether or not he's Beanish. Either way, he was recently added to Category:Legumes, which I don't think is a point of debate. Naturally, it reminded me of my Talk:Grifty#Classify_as_a_Little_Mouser proposal. I think its much more obvious that Podley, and Podler for that matter, is meant to be Beanish than it is that Grifty is meant to be a Little Mouser, and I can remember that was once listed as his species on that page. His talk page doesn't have any reference to it and I can't find an archived proposal about it, but maybe I'm missing something or searching for it incorrectly. Either way, it might be helpful to have a section to discuss that designation on this page since it seems to consistently be a point of contention, evidenced by the debate above this way back in 2007. There's been several edits back and forth about him being Beanish over the years, so do we want to do a proposal over it? Given the rejection of the Grifty proposal, I don't want to create proposals if there's an obvious consensus without one, but, unlike Grifty, it seems like this has been more controversial over the years. With or without a proposal, hopefully this more recent discussion on the talk page can help guide anyone in future who wants to list him as a Beanish. Dr. Baskerville 18:05, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

Right now, the lede says "He greatly resembles a member of the Beanish, and it is heavily implied he is a member of the species, though this is not explicitly confirmed." I don't know what in the game "heavily implies" he's Beanish other than his appearance, and it seems strange to have that speculation in the lede; I think we should either definitely say he is Beanish, or just add Trivia to say he looks like one. Dr. Baskerville 18:11, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

I think the "heavily implied" part might be referring to the Chuckola Cola he serves? I probably wouldn't count that, seeing as the connection wasn't present in The Thousand-Year Door's original Japanese script due to the beverage being called "Vintage Red" there. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 18:50, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

That could explain it, but I think the language, ironically, is a little heavy. Nevertheless, what do you think about a proposal versus just adding that to Trivia? Dr. Baskerville 18:54, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

I think this should settled in a proposal. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 19:00, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

From my edit summery: "TTYD and Superstar Saga were developed by different studios. This does not mean a species that debuted in one couldn't show up in another (I wouldn't be surprised if Intelligent Systems' staff played Superstar Saga), but it's not super common, and there are a few original characters in TTYD that are "Toad-like body with weird animal/plant head", so for this case, I think it's better to be a little cautious." - Nintendo101 (talk) 22:30, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

Thank you for that. Would you recommend a proposal to settle the matter, do you to think that is unnecessary? Personally, even though it is ambiguous, I would be comfortable with classifying him as a Beanish (especially since I think there's more evidence for this than Grifty), but I don't want to create unnecessary proposals. The difference I see here is that there is more debate, based on the article's edit history, over whether or not he is Beanish. Dr. Baskerville 22:35, June 12, 2024 (EDT)

What Nintendo101 said. It's never explicitly stated, and the "implication" would have been because of his bean-like appearance and the Chuckola Cola, but the latter wasn't a connection made in the original Japanese version like SolemnStormcloud mentioned, and I don't think his appearance alone is enough to go on.

But if you think it's debatable, go ahead with a proposal. It may catch the attention of supporters, and even if it's heavily opposed, so be it, but at least you'd know where everyone stands. Mario JC 00:18, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

I'll move forward with a proposal then. I have a question, though. Since whatever we do with Podley should also be done with Podler, can we have a proposal that also changes Podler's race on Podley's page, does it have to be replicated on Podler's page, or does it have to be posted on MarioWiki:Proposals? Maybe we have it on Talk:Beanish? I think the easiest option is to have the debate on this page and then apply whatever the result is to Podler's page as well, especially since there's already conversation about it here. Dr. Baskerville 01:30, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

Just one here is fine; it's only two related articles. Mario JC 03:11, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

Consider Podley / Podler Beanish

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Friday, November 22, 2024, 15:26 GMT

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  Average Beanish

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  Podley / Podler

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  Fava, the Beanish that most resembles Podley / Podler

For years, this page has gone back and forth on classifying Podley as Beanish. This talk page has one of the earliest discussions, from 2007, but edits have been made as recently as this year over whether or not he (and Podler for that matter) should be designated by the wiki as Beanish. Personally, I think it is obvious that Podley and Podler are meant to Beanish based on their character design and Podley's connection with Chuckola Cola, an item that originated in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, the origin game for Beanish. I know there's passionate debate over Chuckola's name in English given a discrepancy in naming with the original Japanese text, but if Nintendo of America signed off on the translation, I think we can consider that being a green light from Nintendo to consider Podley to have a connection to the Bean Bean Kingdom, which I think also means we can infer he is Beanish.

Furthermore, there are striking similarities between Podley / Podler and Fava. They both have white / grayish mustaches, they both wear the same kind of glasses, and they both have the same single strands of black / gray hair on the head. I think Fava's model in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions even more closely ties Podley's appearance to the Beanish. Whether you think he's Beanish or not, having this proposal will help guide future editors who have, for over a decade, been debating this point. Option #1 will classify Podley / Podler as Beanish.

If we don't consider him Beanish, I think its strange to reference his similarities to Beanish in the lede rather than as Trivia. Option #2 will move the similarities to Beanish to the Trivia rather than the lede.

Note that whatever the results of this proposal are will likewise be implemented for Podler as well since they use the same character model.

Proposer: DrBaskerville (talk)
Deadline: June 27, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Option #1: classify Podley and Podler as Beanish

1. DrBaskerville (talk) Per proposal
2. Pseudo (talk) I support recognizing Podley as a Beanish, but less so for the Chuckola Cola reference or specific resemblance to Fava and moreso because his Japanese name is Master Bean and his design similarity. This seems fairly clear-cut to me in a similar capacity to Rowf and Rhuff being considered Doogans (though in reverse order).

Option #2: leave ambiguous but move Beanish reference to Trivia

1. DrBaskerville (talk) Second choice

Comments

Some discussion was recently held in the above section on this page, which is what led to the proposal. Dr. Baskerville 14:35, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

I started a similar proposal on Talk:Grifty, though I think there's stronger evidence here for Podley to be considered Beanish than for Grifty to be considered a Little Mouser, chiefly the visual similarities between Podley and the average Beanish (whereas there's more disparities between Grifty and Little Mousers) and Podley's connection to an item from SMRPG, a connection that doesn't exist in a similar way between Grifty and Little Mousers. Dr. Baskerville 14:35, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

I think you misread Fava's sprite, due to the wiki's white background. His hair in the remake is about the same as in the original, it's just not as visible here due to lacking an outline. Blinker (talk) 14:42, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

I have to really squint to see it, but I can see it now. Thank you for pointing that out. Dr. Baskerville 14:52, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

I'm waiting for others to present their opinions before I cast a vote (or maybe abstain), but I like to correct an error you made: the Beanish and Chuckola Cola originated in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, not Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 14:44, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

This did cause me significant confusion in the proposal text, because yeah this is correct @DrBaskerville; you should probably fix the proposal text. Pseudo (talk) (contributions) 14:49, June 13, 2024 (EDT)

Thank you for pointing that out. I have that edited. Dr. Baskerville 14:52, June 13, 2024 (EDT)