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Doki Doki Panic

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Considering Stanley is on here due to his debut in Greenhouse, should the Doki Doki Panic characters that later appeared in Super Mario Bros. 2 also count? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:10, February 13, 2024 (EST)

The DDP characters never actually appeared alongside the Mario cast (not including the newly introduced enemies), so I'd say no. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 06:52, February 14, 2024 (EST)

Never? ? ?? ??? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:57, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

The footer at the bottom of the template says that their appearances need to be "playable, interactable, or plot-relevant". Appearing in promotional artwork does not count towards that. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 14:40, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

The query I had was about the enemies.... there had since been a proposal on that matter, though. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:53, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Oh, my mistake. Even still, I doubt that one non-Mario appearance versus a dozen Mario appearances counts as a crossover. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 17:14, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

There's still the question on Stanley, then. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:37, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Stanley may have never appeared in a Mario title, but he certainly has appeared in a Donkey Kong title. Although he and Mario have never appeared alongside each other (as far as I'm aware), he is technically a Donkey Kong character, with the DK series being one of our main topics of coverage. Therefore, I'd consider him to be a first-party non-crossover character. Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 05:08, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

For the Stanley thing, he can stay. In terms of plot relevancy of Doki Doki Panic characters, uhhh... all I can think about is Wart at this point. Hmmm...oh man this is hard to think about...at this point we might need a separate template...sheesh this is hard...the more I think the more I seem to be breaking down because of this...hmmm...¯\_(ツ)_/¯. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:16, May 6, 2024 (EDT)

This has mostly to do with Stanley originating in a Game & Watch game that predated - but in some ways served as a prototype for - Donkey Kong 3... in a similar matter to the DDP bosses + Subcons. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:52, May 6, 2024 (EDT)

Exactly. Maybe a separate template for those instances? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 15:00, May 6, 2024 (EDT)

Why do we need a separate template exclusively for an essentially small set of characters? Yours truly, RetroNintendo2008. 15:19, May 6, 2024 (EDT)

It's a suggestion. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 15:47, May 6, 2024 (EDT)

I was back and forth on keeping Stanley on this template even before I added him, but I decided on removing him. Stanley seems to be more of an adoption into the Super Mario franchise like with the Doki Doki Panic enemies rather than a true crossover character, as his trophy and spirit appearances in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Ultimate respectively classify him as part of the Donkey Kong universe rather than Game & Watch. If you'd like to contest this, be my guest. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 11:43, June 25, 2024 (EDT)