Talk:Mushroom Retainer

Aren't they the same as Toads? File:Mayor.gifPaper Jorge

Nope. These are specific goverment officials. They are of the Toad species though. -- Son of Suns

I don't get it. If Mushroom Retainers are Toads, why don't we just merge this page into a new section of Toad (species). SKmaric (talk)

The same reason we don't merge all the Paper Mario Goombas into Goomba.--Knife (talk) 00:08, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

"Vulgar Gesture"

Who put that there? The sprite was never intended to show the Mushroom Retainer giving the player the middle finger. NEVER. Nor could it be a glitch in the programing, because if those pixels appear in non-glitched, non-hacked circumstances, then its probably intentional. Aside from that, the section has a few typos. Shall I delete the section? GreenKoopa-Don't jump on mee! 20:45, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Of course, well, it's already deleted. Also, the bad graphics of those days made the sprite look like that. Paper Jorge

Terminology

[...]Mushroom Retainer is intended to be an early localized name for the Toads as a species, along with Mushroom People.

Provided that this is true, wouldn't that mean Mushroom Retainers should redirect to Toad (species)? Are there any good amount of instances where this is actually a position and not another name for the Toad species? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 22:53, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

It seems like Mushroom Retainer was the original localization for "キノピオ" (Kinopio), whereas Mushroom People was the equivalent of "キノコ達 / キノコー族" (Kinoko-tachi / Kinoko-ichizoku, or Mushroom Group / Mushroom Tribe), similar to how the opposing side was called both the Koopa and Turtle Tribe. As for a good amount of instances where it's a position - I don't think it's ever referenced in the games or manuals ever again, but the character Toad is usually described as "the royal mushroom retainer" in both the Nintendo Comics System and the Nintendo Adventure Books. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:12, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

The SMB2 manual has "(Mushroom Retainer)" printed under Toad's name in the character list. More obliquely, the character was described as "As Princess Peach's retainer" in his Super Mario Sluggers profile, with his Mario Kart 8 bio reading "Being a loyal retainer to Princess Peach..." - Walkazo 13:02, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

Does that make it worthy of its own page? At best, "retainer" is used as a title, but that's something we don't really do in this wiki (plumber and Master, to name two). The way the page is stating is as if it's a special group of Toads. It could be all Toads after all. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:15, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

Oh, I'm not arguing for keeping the page split: I'm actually rather neutral on the matter (for now) - I was just providing examples of where it has popped up in games, only one of which was explicit anyway. Either way, if you do want to split it, I think a TPP would be the best route to go given how long the page's been around and the vagueness of Mario terminology in general. - Walkazo 14:35, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

I'm not going with Talk Page Proposal just yet. I just want some more information and a bit more of a discussion rather than 0/1 voting, although I can't really think of a great reason to keep this page. Most parts of it can be easily a part of Toad (species) article, and from the looks of it, Mushroom Retainer is more of a generic title ("retainer") rather than a specific group of Toads as the article implies. Let me think a little more. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:57, 21 October 2014 (EDT)