Talk:Donkey Kong Country (series)

Donkey Kong 3D?

Take a look at this photo and this website. There's a rumor that a Donkey Kong game (Probably a Country game is in the works for the 3DS. Is it really real? Akfamilyhome 04:30, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

Boxart has the art of the Kongs from DKCR, it seem like a mistake. So for now this is a rumor.

L151

Nintendo has confirmed...that this is not real. Well, at least we can say that there was a rumor of it. Akfamilyhome 04:52, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

In a Nintendo Direct states a 3DS remake of DKCR. User:Sammy05

Split the remakes and ports

Since this proposal will split ports of the same name with substantial new content starting with Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Nintendo Switch) and Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (2018), I would think the case should apply to the rest of the Donkey Kong Country games. Certainly the Game Boy Advance versions as well as the Game Boy Color version of Donkey Kong Country all have new content that could be called fairly substantial, not unlike the Super Mario Advance series and Super Mario Bros. Deluxe. LinkTheLefty (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

If a port like New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat can have an article, then surely these ports can too! I hope they'll consider making pages for these GBA/GBC ports. --Metalex123 (talk) 02:50, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

Ok, if there was a proposal to split ports with basically almost not new content, then why there is still no page for the donkey kong country port the gbc and the remakes of the trilogy for the gba after three years. If one is sure this games has more new content than the donkey kong courntry tropical freeze port for the Nintendo Switch, so I dont see any reason to not do it.
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 176.84.11.151 (talk).

Stop considering Donkey Kong 64 an installment of the Donkey Kong country series

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome I find it bizarre that this wiki currently considers Donkey Kong 64 part of the Donkey Kong Country series. It does not bear the name Donkey Kong Country and plays very differently to every other Donkey Kong Country game with it being a 3D collectathon compared every single other game being 2D linear platformers. The Donkey Kong Land are far closer to being Donkey Kong Country games than this is yet those aren’t considered part of the series but this is. Furthermore there is no reference whatsoever to this even being part of the Donkey Kong Country series on this wiki’s page on DK64.

For those reasons above I there propose that this wiki stops considering Donkey Kong 64 a member of the Donkey Kong Country series.

Proposer: NSY (talk)
Deadline: February 26, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. NSY (talk) Per proposal
2. Koopa con Carne (talk) Per proposal. I always wondered why this game was covered here. I could not find a proposal to classify Donkey Kong 64 as a DKC title in either proposal archives.
3. Swallow (talk) Doesn't seem to be considered part of the series by Nintendo either.
4. Results May Vary (talk) I agree with this proposal, especially the point brought up about how Donkey Kong Land games are a lot similar in style but are not considered Donkey Kong Country titles (and were the Game Boy parallels to their respective SNES game).
5. Ray Trace (talk) Per all.
6. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
7. Bazooka Mario (talk) Just stick it with a "related series" section, as a standalone game, and also put on those DK spinoffs as well.
8. Hewer (talk) Per all, I'm surprised it wasn't already this way.

Comments

I do wanna point out that the production name "Donkey Kong World" implies at the very least an extension of "Country." Course, if we want a more definite answer, someone with a Twitter account (ie not me) could ask one of the Mayles brothers whether it is or not, since that'd be a "horse's mouth" situation. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:24, February 12, 2022 (EST)

Even that doesn't confirm anything for sure. Nightwicked Bowser 17:02, February 12, 2022 (EST)

I'll assume by "that" you mean the name thing, because creator intent would be the absolute definer here. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:01, February 12, 2022 (EST)

What about Land 3 & Bros. 5/World 2? Otherwise, I agree. Donkey Kong 64 is also treated very much like a continuation of Rare's Country trilogy and should minimally be considered "related" like the aforementioned. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:43, February 19, 2022 (EST)

DK64 again

The official Donkey Kong Portal (which only Nintendo UK seems to have) seems to list DK64 with the DKC games, having it between DKC3 and DKCR while the DKL games, KOS, classic arcade games, and ports are all listed separately. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:26, March 29, 2022 (EDT)

Already in the article now. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:21, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Split the four Rare remakes into their own articles

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome See a few sections above. While it is implied by a previous proposal these should be split anyway, my aim here is to make it an explicit goal. These are the GBC game and GBA games, for clarification.

Proposer: Doc von Schmeltwick (talk)
Deadline: April 21, 2022, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - Per proposal
2. Waluigi Time (talk) Per proposal.
3. Hewer (talk) I've always been confused as to why these aren't split but other similar ports like Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Nintendo Switch) are.
4. Results May Vary (talk) Per Hewer.
5. Metalex123 (talk) Honestly I still find it surprising these versions never had pages tbh. Per all.
6. LinkTheLefty (talk) Sure, let's make it official.
7. Ray Trace (talk) Per all.
8. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per proposal.
9. Swallow (talk) Consistancy.
10. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per proposal.

Comments

Interesting that this proposal be brought up, as I was just trying out this idea on Nintendo Wiki earlier today (and feel as if I'm being stalked because this proposal began on the same day :P). Assuming the proposal passes, is Mario Wiki going to reuse the articles I'm putting out on Nintendo Wiki or redo them ground-up? Results May Vary (talk) 22:58, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

I assure you it's a pure coincidence. They'll probably use the current SNES articles as a sort-of template, but not copypasting from another wiki. I don't roll like that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:01, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

One plan I currently have is to use the titles "Donkey Kong Country 2" and "Donkey Kong Country 3" for the Game Boy Advance versions' articles & clarify in an About template that the original SNES articles can be found at Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest and Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! respectively (also, somewhat unrelated but Porple's first edits were taking Mario-related articles from Wikipedia; I have been advised against Wikipedia reuse before, but I feel slightly vindicated when pointing out that this is how Mario Wiki began). Results May Vary (talk) 23:08, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

I'm probably just going to have them with identifiers since the "without subtitles" ones have been used many times to refer to the SNES games. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:28, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

Honestly, good point Results May Vary (talk) 23:30, April 6, 2022 (EDT)

Add Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, its derivatives, and New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat to the "Other related games" section

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome Donkey Kong Jungle Beat has two variations of "DK Island Swing": an arrangement that plays in Dawn Savanna, the first level of the game; and a shortened variation that plays in the victory fanfare right after Donkey Kong defeats a boss. I was wondering if there's a possibility to add Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, New Play Control! Donkey Kong Jungle Beat, Donkey Kong: Jungle Fever, and Donkey Kong: Banana Kingdom to the "Other related games" section from the Donkey Kong Country series article.

Proposer: GuntherBB (talk) (blocked)
Deadline: December 15, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

#GuntherBB (talk) Per proposal

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - I still think it's the functional in-between for the Rare games and the Retro games. Probably the only reason it doesn't have "Country" in the title is it was made in Japan, where they never had "Country" in the titles in the first place.
2. Super Game Gear (talk) Per Gunther and Doc. This is a similar situation to a related proposal of the Yoshi platforming games. Perhaps we can do Wario: Master of Disguise with the Wario Land series next.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Makes sense to us. If an unmade, informally suggested Donkey Kong Country 4 gets to be a part of this article, why Jungle Beat isn't allowed as a token "related game" at the very least is beyond us. After all, Donkey Kong 64 is an actually released game that we include here despite its multitude of differences.
4. DesaMatt (talk) Per all.

Oppose

1. 7feetunder (talk) Aside from Barrel Cannons appearing exclusively in the Wii version, Jungle Beat has nothing to do with DKC aside from the generic monkey business of bananas and vine swinging. No, the presence of "DK Island Swing" (literally the proposer's only argument for this) does not make it a "related game". That's effectively just Donkey Kong's theme music now; it is not specific to DKC any more than the "Ground Theme" is specific to the original SMB. See Glowsquid's post here for a great explanation of how dissimilar Jungle Beat is from the DKC series.
2. Glowsquid (talk) - See my comment below.
3. LadySophie17 (talk) Per 7feetunder and Glowsquid.
4. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) I feel this is the same case regarding Super Princess Peach in which the things it has in common is that it's a platformer game. It's not based on something from the series like Treasure Tracker is. Even the gameplay is a lot different.
5. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per all, especially 7feetunder. Just because Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 contains the same song as Mario Party: Island Tour definitely does not make them closely related.
6. Swallow (talk) Per all
7. Archivist Toadette (talk) It's functionally similar to the Donkey Kong Country games, sure, but that's like Yoshi's Woolly World being functionally similar to the Yoshi's Island games. Or even better, Yoshi's Crafted World taking a little more elements from Yoshi's Story than from other Yoshi's Island games.
8. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.
9. DrippingYellow (talk) To be honest, I'd be more for adding the DK series as a related series rather than Jungle Beat, seeing as the former goes as far as to actually include characters from the Country series playing a major role, while Jungle Beat, as noted by Glowsquid in the comments, made an active effort to distance itself from the Country series.

Comments

@Camwoodstock: I don't feel strongly either way on this proposal, but uh, not mentioning the proposed Donkey Kong Country 4 on the Donkey Kong Country series article would be much stranger than not mentioning Jungle Beat. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:23, December 2, 2023 (EST)

We mean, our concern is less about the whole series thing, but more just the fact that Donkey Kong Country 4, uh, doesn't exist. It's kind of like that Super Mario 64 2 pitch--were it made, it'd unambigously be a part of the Super Mario series of platformers (unless you decide 3D platformers don't count for some reason), but it doesn't exist. Incidentally, we just learned that Super Mario 64 2 is mentioned in our Super Mario (series) article, which feels a little weird, but we guess by that precedent it at least makes a little more sense to list Donkey Kong Country 4--though, those get a table but Donkey Kong Country 4 doesn't? Even though we're fine to give Donkey Kong 64 a table when it's just one game and aaaagh no we're putting our foot down our comment ends here before it balloons into 6k characters and our carpal tunnel flares up again, look, someone else can help us tackle that if everyone agrees that's warranted. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 15:10, December 2, 2023 (EST)

The fact that a Donkey Kong Country 4 was pitched for the DS and never happened is notable and should be covered somewhere on the wiki, and this is obviously the page that makes the most sense (since there's not enough information for a separate page like Super Mario 64 2). This isn't about what the real entries are or whatever, cancelled games and rejected pitches are usually noted on series pages in their own sections because they're relevant and notable (another example). Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:35, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Nevermind the mistranslated bit I quoted in that link above, the corrected translation of that Koizumi interview has him saying they didn't include characters from DKC games because (and je cite 2257's translation) "it is a completely new work with a personality uncharacteristic of previous Donkey Kong games".

The exact wording can be nitpicked, but all current translations made of that statement carry the gist of the game's co-director saying it has new characters and setting because they aimed it to be something completely different from the DKC games. With that in mind, it doesn't make much sense to me to say they're related. --Glowsquid (talk) 14:28, December 2, 2023 (EST)

From the previous ones. The Retro Studios ones, meanwhile, take about as much from Jungle Beat and its Wii counterpart as they do from the RareWare games, such as pounding background plants for bananas, shaking to rapid-fire punch bosses away, and the heart system from the Wii version. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:32, December 2, 2023 (EST)

The later Donkey Kong Country games basing mechanics off of Jungle Beat does not retroactively make it "related" to the Donkey Kong Country games in the same vein as Donkey Kong 64. You could make a similar argument that Donkey Kong (Game Boy) should be listed as a related game in the Super Mario series due to being the debut of backflips and the like, or that Mario Bros. be listed as related due to serving as the basis for the use of turtles and coins in the Mario franchise. Even with Barrel Cannons making an appearance in the New Play Control! version of Jungle Beat, that's an argument for including just the re-release, not the original and all related arcade games. DrippingYellow (talk) 13:45, December 5, 2023 (EST)

Potential to add other games to related games

Would it be strange to add other Donkey Kong games/series prominently featuring a good chunk of characters and settings originating from the Donkey Kong Country series into the "Related games" section? I'm talking about the DK series, the Donkey Konga series, Donkey Kong Barrel Blast, things like that where they're obviously meant to take place in the Country continuity. I am not referring to Diddy Kong Racing (which only has Diddy and Krunch to tie it to the other games, and iirc wasn't even conceived as a Diddy Kong game originally), nor am I referring to the Mario sports games where they randomly featured a bunch of DKC characters for some reason. DrippingYellow (talk) 19:44, January 20, 2024 (EST)

I tried putting them on here before and they were removed... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:01, January 20, 2024 (EST)

I kind of get why the DKC characters are listed in the Donkey Kong franchise article, it's just strange seeing a cast of DKC-adjacent characters listed there, when there's also the classic Donkey Kong series, Mario vs. Donkey Kong series, and Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat where they don't appear. I guess the alternative would be splitting off a "Donkey Kong Country (franchise)" article, which would probably confuse things even more than the franchise/series distinctions we already have. DrippingYellow (talk) 21:50, January 20, 2024 (EST)

DK is added, now for a proposal covering the other ones. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:22, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Consider the DK series as related to the Donkey Kong Country series

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome Out of all the games featuring characters and concepts that originated from the DKC series, the exclusion from the related games section that makes the least sense, at least in my opinion, is the DK series. The games are both platformers that heavily feature DKC characters, including deep-cut enemies that otherwise only appeared in the mainline DKC series and Donkey Kong 64, such as Neeks, Puftups, and Click-Clacks. Not to mention the clearly DKC-inspired jungle theming and the appearance of King K. Rool as the main antagonist. Plus, the fact that both games used sound effects directly taken from the DKC series (especially in the case of King of Swing, with all the voice clips that were reused) seems a bit weird to not mention on the Country series article.

Proposer: DrippingYellow (talk)
Deadline: February 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Add DK series to the "Related series" section

1. DrippingYellow (talk) Per proposal.
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - They seem more like a pair of games related to this series than a series themselves, IMO. Per proposal.
3. Arend (talk) Per all; not to mention that the "series" name is confusing, considering that DK tends to refer to just the character itself (at least King of Swing's Japanese name was Burabura Donkey instead) and that DK Jungle Climber is called Donkey Kong: Jungle Climber in Japan and Europe.
4. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per proposal.
5. Archivist Toadette (talk) Per all.
6. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Yes. Per.
7. bwburke94 (talk) Per all. The two series are obviously related.

Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC.

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Thursday, December 5, 2024, 02:17 GMT

Potentially consider the Donkey Konga series and Barrel Blast as related to DKC.

So the DK series is considered related to the DKC series, but there's others that could be considered related: Donkey Konga and Barrel Blast. 4/26/2024 EDIT: Ok, Hewer brought up Jungle Beat, so I'm adding that in too. Too all opposition. I'm not saying we should include the whole franchise as related, just the ones brought up 2 sections above this one.

Proposer: SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk)
Deadline: May 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT

All 3 are related

1. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Per proposal.
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - I mean, I wanted to before, and I'm generally more lenient on this kind of thing. I think this is more reasonable than say, Diddy Kong Racing.

Alternatively, spilt DKC(franchise)

1. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 2nd choice.

Do nothing

1. Hewer (talk) This is getting much too tenuous, we may as well include the whole Donkey Kong franchise as related at that point. And if we're not including Jungle Beat, including these games that aren't even the same genre makes no sense.
2. DrippingYellow (talk) The Donkey Kong franchise page lists mainly characters originating from the Donkey Kong Country series. It follows that characters from DKC are seen as representatives of DK's world in general, rather than merely the DKC games, so simply having these characters is not reason enough to be related to DKC. The best comparison I can think of would be if we were to add the Mario Kart series as related to the Super Mario series simply for featuring characters that originated from these games.
3. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per all of yall (collectively)
4. Pizza Master (talk) Per Hewer.
5. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.
6. Archivist Toadette (talk) This is really stretching it.

Comments

@Hewer You WANT me to have that as an option? Just making sure. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:55, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

No, I was bringing it up as a bad thing that we shouldn't do. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:11, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

No, the Jungle Beat part. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 17:01, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

I don't feel that strongly about including Jungle Beat but I'm leaning towards no based on what was brought up last time about how the developers specifically wanted to differentiate it from DKC. My point in bringing it up was that, given we decided against including it in the previous proposal, it would make no sense to then include these other games that aren't even platformers. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 09:29, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

Updated again. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:01, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

Look, you all want me to cancel this? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 20:34, April 25, 2024 (EDT)

Ok, I updated this, everyone please have a look at it. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:18, April 26, 2024 (EDT)

@Doc von Schmeltwick I perfectly agree with you, plus adding Diddy Kong Racing would be stupid. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:50, April 26, 2024 (EDT)