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Is this category really necessary? It lumps characters from no less than 11 different games together, specifically the RPGs, so other minor non-playable characters such as the [[Pianta captain]] are not included. Also, despite the rules listed in [[Mariowiki:Minor NPCs]], they are often disregarded and shopkeepers sometimes make the list. Furthermore, non-player characters with a respectable amount of weight on the plot, such as [[Pa-Patch]] and the [[Fahr Outpost Mayor]], are listed as well. I wouldn't consider that "minor." I'd consider "minor" to be "literally has no importance and can be talked to." And that subjectivity is another problem: the term "minor" is too subject to opinion. My point is this category is fairly arbitrary, the content can be easily gained from the games' respective character categories, and as of now covers [[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|e]][[Paper Mario|l]][[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga|e]][[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door|v]][[Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time|e]][[Super Paper Mario|n]] [[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story|di]][[Paper Mario: Sticker Star|ff]][[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam|er]][[Paper Mario: Color Splash|ent]] games, plus a [[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions|remake]], all in one category. This made more sense when the wiki was just starting out and there were only five RPGs out, but not any more. It could probably be deleted and we wouldn't lose anything. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:21, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
Is this category really necessary? It lumps characters from no less than 11 different games together, specifically the RPGs, so other minor non-playable characters such as the [[Pianta captain]] are not included. Also, despite the rules listed in [[Mariowiki:Minor NPCs]], they are often disregarded and shopkeepers sometimes make the list. Furthermore, non-player characters with a respectable amount of weight on the plot, such as [[Pa-Patch]] and the [[Fahr Outpost Mayor]], are listed as well. I wouldn't consider that "minor." I'd consider "minor" to be "literally has no importance and can be talked to." And that subjectivity is another problem: the term "minor" is too subject to opinion. My point is this category is fairly arbitrary, the content can be easily gained from the games' respective character categories, and as of now covers [[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|e]][[Paper Mario|l]][[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga|e]][[Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door|v]][[Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time|e]][[Super Paper Mario|n]] [[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story|di]][[Paper Mario: Sticker Star|ff]][[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam|er]][[Paper Mario: Color Splash|ent]] games, plus a [[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions|remake]], all in one category. This made more sense when the wiki was just starting out and there were only five RPGs out, but not any more. It could probably be deleted and we wouldn't lose anything. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:21, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:Even if we had a rigid definition for minor NPCs, I don't think that the quantifiable importance of a character is particularly relevant to us, especially to the point where we need a category for it. All of the characters in this category are "minor" for completely different reasons, so grouping them all together has always seemed odd to me. I'm in favor of completely deleting it. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:31, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
:Even if we had a rigid definition for minor NPCs, I don't think that the quantifiable importance of a character is particularly relevant to us, especially to the point where we need a category for it. All of the characters in this category are "minor" for completely different reasons, so grouping them all together has always seemed odd to me. I'm in favor of completely deleting it. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:31, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
==Delete this category==
{{TPP}}
I've outlined my reasons above. There's no reason to have a category specifically for characters from 11 different games plus a remake when each of them have their own character categories, particularly for something as subjective as this.
'''Proposer:''' {{User:Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' 23:59 October 16, 2017 (GMT)
===Support===
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}: Per proposal.
===Oppose===
===Comments===

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Is this category really necessary? It lumps characters from no less than 11 different games together, specifically the RPGs, so other minor non-playable characters such as the Pianta captain are not included. Also, despite the rules listed in Mariowiki:Minor NPCs, they are often disregarded and shopkeepers sometimes make the list. Furthermore, non-player characters with a respectable amount of weight on the plot, such as Pa-Patch and the Fahr Outpost Mayor, are listed as well. I wouldn't consider that "minor." I'd consider "minor" to be "literally has no importance and can be talked to." And that subjectivity is another problem: the term "minor" is too subject to opinion. My point is this category is fairly arbitrary, the content can be easily gained from the games' respective character categories, and as of now covers eleven different games, plus a remake, all in one category. This made more sense when the wiki was just starting out and there were only five RPGs out, but not any more. It could probably be deleted and we wouldn't lose anything. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Even if we had a rigid definition for minor NPCs, I don't think that the quantifiable importance of a character is particularly relevant to us, especially to the point where we need a category for it. All of the characters in this category are "minor" for completely different reasons, so grouping them all together has always seemed odd to me. I'm in favor of completely deleting it. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 18:31, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Delete this category

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I've outlined my reasons above. There's no reason to have a category specifically for characters from 11 different games plus a remake when each of them have their own character categories, particularly for something as subjective as this.

Proposer:

Doc von Schmeltwick
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Hello there! I am Doc von Schmeltwick. I lurked on this site since about 2008 (I remember Bowser's Inside Story and NSMBW getting announced long after I had discovered this site), then finally joined on May 15, 2017. I really enjoy the Mario games, as well as many other things. What I dislike is political garbage, be it governmental, social, identity, et cetera. Just...keep that off here, it does not belong.

User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects
My other wiki project

Best character who hasn't been made (yet): Gold Tanooki Cat Baby Metal Waluigette: ultimate roster filler!

  • Most underappreciated artwork ever

    Most underappreciated artwork ever

  • If you're actually reading this excuse for a page, this is probably you (talking to you epecially KF)

    If you're actually reading this excuse for a page, this is probably you (talking to you epecially KF)

  • I wanted to keep this on a whim, lel

    I wanted to keep this on a whim, lel

Some current goals:

Definitely
Maybe
No proposal needed!
  • Collect more SGB sprites
  • Finish PM enemy idles (Lava Piranha is probably asking too much)
  • Give SPP better coverage in general
  • Upload proper Wario's Woods NES graphics
  • Upload Mobile Golf sprites
  • Upload NES sprites for platformer games to cover all used palette scenarios

So you've gotten into a debate with me

Want some tips into effectively arguing with me? For starters, if I start a debate acting on-the-fence suggesting a change, do not under any circumstances attempt to shut it down with a "no that's 100% impossible." Instead, take a more ambiguous approach like I'd started with. Basically, the more you push, the more I'll push back. I'm like Canary Mary from Banjo-Tooie in that regard. Additionally, "this is an English Wiki" is not now and never will be an argument. It may be an English wiki, but it's a predominantly Japanese franchise, so not looking at it from an international perspective is disingenuous and helps nobody.
Deadline: 23:59 October 16, 2017 (GMT)

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  1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk): Per proposal.

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