Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 4

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Super Smash Bros. Brawl Talk
Archive 1 (1-20) Archive 2 (21-56) Archive 3 (57-97)

Porky's Machine

The article should be changed because I don't think that's Porky's "Absolutely Safe Machine", isn't that the big sphere with the window on it? Not the one pictured.

Comic Kid

Question Mark?

This has already most likely been discussed, but why on Earth are we not making pages for the newer moves that have been discovered? We know what they do and the Dojo!! confirmed them. Even if we don't have pictures, we should get them soon enough… there's nothing to hide on Smash Bros. Dojo move and final smash-wise. Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 09:59, 26 January 2008 (EST)

We only know the names, so that's all were including. Wait for 6 day, k. HyperToad ;)

If you know what the move does, you are free to make the page. But like Hyper said, we (or at least I) don't know what the moves do. If you do know their effect you are welcome to ake the pages. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions· Paper Jorge was here at 10:30, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Okay, I understand. Thanks! Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 14:01, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Sorry for double-posting, but what if I have a [brawlcentral.com reliable source] that has told me what the moves do (I have played a demo, therefore knowing Pit's and Ike's moves already)? Can I make pages for those moves if they come from Brawl Central? Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 19:45, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Characters select screen complete..?

In this video from Gametrailers appears the following screenshot with the character selection screen. I think is a very bad fake, specially if u look the 2D artworks along the 3D official arts... but, indeed, i put the pic if it's necessary for something... we can considere it real? fake?--Caith Sith 08:55, 27 January 2008 (EST)

FAKE

It is very much fake. If you look at all other sources, they feature Zelda and Sheik in the same selection window. Also, there's no reason for them to completely rearrange the characters on the screen when you unlock more. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:14, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Ok :P Delete it if you can...--Caith Sith 09:27, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Why? We'd better be prepared if others come and claim it is real. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:30, 27 January 2008 (EST)

And look at Luigi! That is one of his Mario Party Artworks. Torngentleman2 At last, we have the real pic.--Caith Sith 11:44, 30 January 2008 (EST)

At last, we have the real pic.

File:Brawl Characters.JPG

--Caith Sith 11:45, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Release Preparations

As seen above, fake rosters and information is exploding on YouTube, which is a major problem. The Dojo will most likely not post the full cast including unlockables after the release, which makes the internet our only source. I propose full-protecting the page a day before the release to the day after which prevents the worst spam and gives us time to get reliable sources.

This is the latest official roster:

This is a reliable source:

This is FAKE:
File:Brawlposiblefakeroster.jpg

How to identify a fake roster? Fake rosters are commonly pretty easy to determine, as creators are not professionals and forget certain tidbits.

1. The image is shown from front, not filmed from the screen like #2, and there is no actual "movie", like a player moving the character selection hand over the icons - also, in the still image, no player has selected an unrevealed character. This makes creating fakes more easy.
2. Fake rosters which dozens of character scale down the icons of the official roster to make all their surprises fit in - this never happens in the actual game. We have our official starting roster revealed in #2, and it is unlikely that those icons will scale down as more characters get unlocked.
3. Fakers use wrong images - the above fake image #3 shows Zelda alone in her box - while the official roster has Sheik in the same box as well. If you can also make out past official artwork images in the roster, it is fake as well - currently, all Brawl characters have an image in a stance they have not shown before, all poses are unique to Brawl. If the picture of a "newcomer" looks cut out from previous Nintendo art, it can't be correct. Check out for Brawl's graphical style, it's unique and very detailed. In fake #3, Bowser Jr. on the top left doesn't match with this style, his colors are too intense.

Please keep a clear head when determining fakes out there. - Do not edit the list of characters before we have determined the credibility of your source. All new information goes onto the talk page first. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:54, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Yes, we better look out for fake pictures. Also, I support the full protection. It's just going to get spammy and fake-y. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Maybe full protection could be a good idea, but we should definitely unprotect one day before JPN release. About the fake image and rising speculation, it would be best to describe it here. On a side note, when removing Template:Newsubject, please update the article as well, removing terms like "will be" and "upcoming" in the articles with the template.Knife (talk) 15:46, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Template:Newsubject has a note attached to it which is underlined and says that the template stays until the article has been updated. So within the first days, we shouldn't remove anything.

Also, I said it should be protected at exactly the time of the release, where they will be the most spam and unconfirmed info. Before or after the protection wouldn't make much sense. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:49, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I believe, ET USA, from noon on 1/30 to noon 1/31 is good for a full protection time. In Japan that's like at 5-6am 1/31 to 2/1. Wa _T^C_@^Y 16:28, 27 January 2008 (EST)

On second thought, it doesn't seem like a good idea. We've never had to take these many precautions for any pre-game releases and I think we are overestimating the potential vandalism for this page. Semi-protection is enough to keep those new spammers out, at least for a while. But it is definitely not worth removing other regular users right to expand this page in fear of vandals. And if it does get heavily vandalized, we can always sort things out later. I know there will be vandalism that day, but not as much vandalism as you guys are thinking about.Knife (talk) 19:45, 27 January 2008 (EST)

That's possibly true. I wouldn't be able to do it after Wayoshi's plan anyway, it would be around midnight for me. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 09:50, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Wind Waker character design

It's pretty obvious in here that they have designed a Wind Waker character - just leaves the question whether playable or assist trophy, unlikely cut-out when he mentions it now. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 11:57, 28 January 2008 (EST)

I think is a Link alt. costume. Xpike the hedgehog that the reason

Well, it's not like I'm going "ZOMG Wind Waker link confirmed", they are talking about regular trophies after all, and this whole interview wouldn't reveal something big, they're not serious enough to do that, they're laughing all the time. But they have some very interesting tidbits, like confirming Jeff as Assist Trophy, or that they wanted to include Final Smashes in the N64 Smash Bros. It's definitely worth reading. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:50, 28 January 2008 (EST)

I wouldn't suspect yet that it is anything more than the Wind Waker Link trophy we saw. If you noticed, it was cell shaded and all of that good stuff, so that could be what he's talking about. Still, I would like to, in the near future, read Iwata Asks and create a separate "Developement" section for the article. Stumpers! 19:24, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Put this stage and character on the list. [1]
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lanky kong (talk).

Without a serious source, no. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:52, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Wait a second…

Brawl central says SSBB will cover 128 blocks! That can't be right! Can it? Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 19:47, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Unfortunately yes.Knife (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2008 (EST)

This means that they put WAY too much stuff in the game. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Honestly, your right Jorge, there's so much stupid stuff that really isn't needed. HyperToad

Well it must certainly be good. Also, could someone answer my question in the first topic? Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 22:26, 28 January 2008 (EST)

MARTH's in BRAWL, NO doubt YO

See here! http://gonintendo.com/?p=34382#more-34382 And here, at 1 45 http://gonintendo.com/?p=34381#comments

There's no denying with that footage that he is indeed IN and likely playable. P.S, Ness also :lol:Fixitup

I also obtained this you guys...[[2]] Fixitup

Yo, thanks for this, Fixit! This is great news, thanks for helping us out! =) My Bloody Valentine

It's gold!! P.S Although I beleive the Luigi and Marth stuff from before is real, I believe this image may be fake. Doesnt mean ness isnt in though... [[3]] Fixitup

Oh well, still helpful. It does look like those three are in the game, regardless of if that pic is fake or not. This is great news, thanks! My Bloody Valentine

More Luigi stuff. Lol, you're gonna run out of words DP. :D [[4]] [[5]] P.s Fixed links Im working my fingers to the bone here! Fixitup

Is this new? [[6]] Fixitup

Hey, i noticed in that last screen shot sonic wasn't in this but Olimar is, either this is fake, or you hafta unlock him...

Master Crash

Sonic and Snake have been confirmed to be unlockable. My Bloody Valentine

So far Ness, Luigi, Marth, and Capatain Falcon are confirmed to be unlockable characters.Fixitup

Where was the Captain confirmed? My Bloody Valentine

Baby, it'll rock your mind! [[7]]I'll retrieve the C. Falcon imagery in a sec, YO. Fixitup

Currently having issues finding the C. Falcon screenshot, but here's some Falco to make up for it. [[8]] Fixitup

Falcon- PUNCH! [[9]] Fixitup

Wow, you seem quite excited over this. But I'm not surprised, this is big information! So many articles to edit! So much information to add! Thanks for the images, Fixit. Your a real big help. =) My Bloody Valentine

Snake parts. :P [[10]] [[11]] [[12]] [[13]] [[14]] [[15]] Gotta go now! Fixitup

Ok, thats all i found.

The really complete roster: Two more thophies:

A lot of more pics:

Luigi

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lucas y ness ness's smash?

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Luigi final smash?

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ganondorf

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capitán falcon smash final?

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lucario

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Mr.G&W smash final?

All taken from there. Is in Spanish, but all the info is in spoiler. Just click, because all are new pictures -no text info-.--Caith Sith 08:10, 29 January 2008 (EST)

If that's really the complete roster, where's Sonic and Jigglypuff? --Trogga 11:17, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Unlockables?--Caith Sith 11:21, 29 January 2008 (EST)

But isn't Snake an unlockable? --Trogga 11:26, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Huh...yes, but whatever... 7 min of free brawl spoilers that confirms a lot of things: characters and more -> click!--Caith Sith 11:45, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Remove Ganondorf

Sorry to burst you're bubble, but seeing his face in a screenshot doesn't confirm him as playable. HyperToad

OF COURSE he is playable lol and

File:Robssbblol.jpg

 :| McWolf

Heh. He might be a boss, you know. Also, this is GREAT! Japanese is already leaking info. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Lucario, Ness, and Jigglypuff are IN. Everyone else (Ganondorf, G&W, ROB, and Luigi) looks good. PLEASE LET LUIGI BE IN... 3D, AAAAAAAH!

Toon Link is in!

File:0181465001201628972.jpg
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xluidi (talk).

AWESOME! Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

Bomberman?

In another video (http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=vtWxwsR3oB4 please see here), we can see another character select list... this time is the same as always, but with Sonic added and... Bomberman. Maybe fake, i dunno, but... well, i put it here.

In any case, with all the info leaked today, we have A LOT OF WORK with this game, specially updating templates.--Caith Sith 14:55, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Look at Dedede's image, it looks wrong. HyperToad

I'm fairly sure that Bomberman image is fake, it's look like it was photoshoped out of a 3d bomerman game. HyperToad

WW Link, G&W, R.O.B

Found this stuff, Yo.[[16]] Fixitup

Conjectural Info

Lately, multiple Users have been adding conjectural info into articles for "Supposedly" in-game characters. Some good examples are Ridley, and Lucario, which was deleted. I personally believe all these leaked screenshots to be fake, but we don't know what's real and what isn't. As such, I feel unless these are confirmed, we should add no conjectural info. Also, I've made fake screenshots just like the ones people are posting right now millions of times on some old forums I was on. They were convincing and really easy to make. I've had multiple people, namely the users KingBoo and McDimentio give me "leaked" videos that supposedly show characters to be confirmed. You can believe that they are real (They aren't. >_>), but please don't add any info. KingBoo has not done so, but McDimentio created a Lucario article and everything. Anyway, conjectural info = No go. Chaos NEEDS MOAR NINJI

I know Jigglypuff was confirmed in a leak, so where is it?Knife (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Proof?

I beleive that all this news is crap and care to give some source?F g

"Proof"

So far, the ONLY characters confirmed by Nintendo not seen at the Dojo are Jigglypuff, Ness, and Lucario. They were accidentally leaked in a Wii demo video at the Japanese Dojo site. Also, Ness is seen in the opening of the official Brawl game released in Japan. For now, let's treat all material not done BY NINTENDO as crap. 3D, NO MATTER HOW OFFICIAL IT LOOKS!

Marth appears in the opening too, and Luigi appeared on a youtube video, were King Dedede transforms him into a trophy.Javier12345 20:34, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Green Hill Zone Stage CONFIRMED

Here it is User:SonicMario/sig

Isn't there also a YouTube video with this stage in it? I can't remember. Stumpers! 19:54, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Wolf... Star Wolf

[[17]] Fixitup

This isnt fake. Wolf is in Brawl ^_^.

Hopefully. I still think there's gonna be more than 35 people tohugh. Seriously, unlocking everyone through the story modes only?Fixitup

I think that's fake, he has the same FS, WTF? Let's just wait untill tomarrrow, untill then everyone just stop HyperToad 07:35, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Well it could be Fox's alternative costume, which I haven't seen. And stop? Stop what? Stop adding real information? ...NO. Paper Jorge ( Talk·Contributions)·

1. No Jorge, I meant STOP ADDING LINKS! It's too confusing.
2. It has it's own name, so if this is real, it's a new character, alter. costumes don't get special names, not een Peach's daisy costume.
3. I'm sure that there are going to be more character then we think, maybe even going up to 50.
4. HyperToad@Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 4

PJ, Pokemon DP made us wait to make an article for Peach Blossom until it was announced on the site a day later. I think it has something to do with the conjecture stuff. I personally don't mind... especially when it's going to be "announced" in 24 hours, but HyperToad has a point. :( I don't like fights. Stumpers! 16:24, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Who is that guy?

He is on here (http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=vtWxwsR3oB4 please see here) Who is that guy when it shows a image of a spaceship thing in the desert,then it shows a big robot guy with purple skin and a spike on his head?(note:the images that I'm talking about are the 9th and 10th images the guy shows)(note2:it shows this guys images after it shows the image that said Falcon Punch Comfirmed) Luigi-Tron 3000

The link you've posted is broken, there's no YouTube video with that address. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:43, 30 January 2008 (EST)

I just fixed it User:Luigi-Tron 3000

I didn't find any unknown character in there. Check this page, there's some info about Subspace Emissary bosses. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 10:53, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Note that I'm not talking about Porky User:Luigi-Tron3000

True rooster?

() Luigi-Tron 3000 Maybe... HyperToad

Yes, it is. Is uploaded and in the Brawl article.--Caith Sith 12:00, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Don't add it unless you have proof! Where'd it come from? HyperToad

yes, it is, wwe dont have a REAL proof, but yeah, this is the offical rooster McWolf

That's contridary, if you have no proof, then how do you know it's offical. HyperToad Not that I don't believe it, but we need prove, or it might get removed.

This rooster was seen in various youtube videos. So yes, its official...--Caith Sith 12:47, 30 January 2008 (EST)

It doesn't matter if it is real, obviously all the secret characters wouldn't be unlocked using only sse and c modes. There's room for another row. Fixitup

Lucario stage and Jiggly's final smash

P.D: I don't know why Jiggly is a a giant...--Caith Sith 14:27, 30 January 2008 (EST)

It's supposed to be Jigglypuff's Final Smash...though I don't see that image. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 15:29, 30 January 2008 (EST)

This, I can say looks fake. Fixitup

Luigi's Mansion

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vdMVPS_CQL8

The Luigi's Mansion stage in Brawl. Luigi pwned. ~ TheGreenFire

Who is this guy? Part 2

Found images of the guy and he is also in this video (http:es.youtube.com/watch?v=vtWxwsR3oB4) Luigi-Tron 3000