User talk:Trig Jegman

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The Actual Talk Page

New rules

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For your information, Porplemontage recently made some changes to the image use policy, most importantly with this change. Doomhiker (talk) 15:31, January 27, 2020 (EST)

I'm aware. I have cut down a majority of my optimizations, however, in images that display excessive metadata (like the 49 bars iamge today) or specifically metadata with personal information (i've seen a mix of IPs, GPS Co-ordinates, and Iphone names; stuff we don't need readily seen around). If you'd like, I would be happy to assist demonstrating why next time. Trig - 15:39, January 27, 2020 (EST)

Smasher 'Shroom Portrait

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Hi, just letting you know that you optimised the wrong size of Smasher's shroom portrait, which results in making this portrait smaller than all the other staff portraits. So, I had to revert it. ^(TALK)

Interesting. Thank you for telling me. My apologies for the inconvenience. Trig - 15:41, February 2, 2020 (EST)

RE:Autograph

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Try saying that for the three different keys in Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. Plus, the Super Paper Mario orbs clearly have different sprites, names, and descriptions, so it would be hard to make a good argument without mentioning the Bowser's Inside Story keys as well. ^(T|C) 23:09, February 9, 2020 (EST)

Putting these on multiple talk pages makes the conversation much more difficult. Here's the thing though, I don't necessarily think that the three keys or orbs should have been split. The former is three keys for peach's second floor with the sole distinguishment of color and the orbs are three orbs for making a bridge in the Overthere. In my opinion, you could have a redirect instead of a page with anchors for the colors specifically. Trig - 08:04, February 10, 2020 (EST)

File:NSMBWCW Logo.png

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Where did you find a png version of this? Mario JC 00:45, February 12, 2020 (EST)

I re-saved it form the website, and it was a PNG. The used version on another part of the webpage, with concept arts and some big chart, is a GIF version. Mine is the one displayed that I believe takes you to the home menu. Trig - 08:12, February 12, 2020 (EST)

This website? I can't find a png of this logo anywhere (except this small one that links to the home page), only gifs on the home page and chart page. Mario JC 19:30, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Well that's weird. I feel like saved the chart page version directly from it and it saved as a PNG, checking my settings it has not changed from the default file type. Trig - 20:33, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Flimflam

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Firstly, thanks for finding/creating that image for the slot machine page. Secondly, you said the flame creatures are called 'Flimflams' in the "game guide". If you meant instruction manual - it simply calls them 'fire' like a general hazard instead of an enemy, and they're under the contraptions section. It also doesn't mention slot machines in any way. If you find a source for either name, please let me know. Pallukun (talk) 15:49, February 12, 2020 (EST)

US Prima guide refers to them as Flimflams. Slot machine in said guide is only referred to as 'slot machine' (lowercase). I am working on obtaining a US manual for the game. Trig - 15:56, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Ok, but when you make the page, just put "(also known as fire)" at the top with the ref of the english manual pg25 Pallukun (talk) 16:07, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Sure thing. I will try my best to find a more concrete name source first, though. Trig - 16:10, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Mario Kart Tour

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Since I can currently only use discussion pages, I have a small request for you, and that is a small mistake on the Mario Kart Tour page with the high-end (spotlight) characters. Wario (Hiker) is listed on these characters, but is a regular high-end.

Here is the proof, at minute 1:27: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwFk8eyZiPo&t=333s --TheKerberos01 (talk) 16:10, February 14, 2020 (EST)

Wanted to let you know that Qyzxf has undone your edit on the Mario Kart Tour page.--TheKerberos01 (talk) 17:09, February 18, 2020 (EST)

So I realized. I'm not sure how to approach this, since I don't own or play the game. Perhaps discuss it with the user themself on their talk page. Trig - 17:25, February 18, 2020 (EST)

The second week has now started and apparently Wario (Hiker) is one of the spotlight characters. Because if you want to take a tube with Wario (Hiker) and go into details, then Rosalina (Aurora) is listed as standard. Both seem to be standard only for the corresponding tubes, but that wasn't the case before, at least since I started playing the game. I only started in December.--TheKerberos01 (talk) 02:35, February 19, 2020 (EST)

Gamma

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When colors differ between optimized and non-optimized images, it is, from my understanding, usually (often; it depends on how the image was exported, correct me if I'm wrong) the optimized result that contains the intended colors. The original images, when exported without unchecking certain options, sometimes contain gamma-correction metadata to determine the image's brightness; however, browsers often don't display this data properly as it is intended for editing. See Wildgoosespeeder (talk)'s comment on my talk page, RAP (talk)'s FAQ for previous discussions on the topic, and this article for more details. Compare the color of Luigi's clothing with the other images of Luigi from NSLU. While in some cases the gamma correction is needed, this particular image (File:Luigi - New Super Mario Bros U.png) seems it could be accurate without it. Edit: After looking at more images, I understand that it is much more complicated than I originally thought (gamma makes some images accurate and others inaccurate), see my comment on MarioWiki:Proposals for more details. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 23:26, February 15, 2020 (EST)

I entirely agree that images typically look better without the gamma correction involved however both Steve and several other administerative staff have affirmed that we are not to optimize it just because it's more accurate to the actual display of the source. Trig - 08:12, February 16, 2020 (EST)

Gotcha, that's understandable. I have found a way to optimize images without removing this particular iCCP metadata, therefore preserving colors. I tested it on File:NSMBDS Goomba Artwork.png. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 12:47, February 16, 2020 (EST)

Interesting. I still think the template is important to use then, as someone might try to optimize further. Trig - 14:23, February 16, 2020 (EST)

That makes sense. Is there a way we could modify the template/proposed policy to consider this? Something like:

This image contains gamma brightening, and should not be optimized without preserving iCCP metadata.

--Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 14:30, February 16, 2020 (EST)

I'm worried about doing that because gamma is already confusing enough to the average person. I think that instead, the original template should remain and the iCCP metadata could be described on a 'MarioWiki:Gamma Brightening' page that the template could link to itself. Trig - 14:45, February 16, 2020 (EST)

Image links

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User_talk:Trig_Jegman/Archive_2#WhatLinksHere. You should be checking this for every file. Mario JC 23:20, February 17, 2020 (EST)

"Render"

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Technically it is a render, it's just an official render, so we count it as artwork. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:52, February 18, 2020 (EST)

Double Last Warnings

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While it is true a while ago I mistakenly gave a user with a last warning another one, I shouldn't have done that retrospectively. Per the template: "The next time you break the rules in any way, you will be blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki.". Thus, given that Count Luigi already was told not to do what you gave him another LW for before, including being told about that problem after his last warning, he should have been reported to be blocked. It is true that the warning policy page states "If you go to warn someone and find they have already been given a last warning for any issue, contact an admin, as that user most likely needs to be blocked for their latest misdemeanor. For certain circumstances, however, such as if the last warning was issued a long time ago, additional reminders/warnings per standard procedure may be considered instead of an immediate block.", however his original last warning was still somewhat recent and literally his entire history revolves around image-related problems, and thus giving another one was not needed. Doomhiker (talk) 21:44, February 21, 2020 (EST)

I'd hardly call almost three whole years "still somewhat recent" myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:55, February 21, 2020 (EST)

Both Glowsquid and myself discussed it and said it was on the fence on the period of time for renewal. Since their issues were the exact same thing, I think that the block (especially at it's length) is acceptable. I was more worried about not overreaching on how to approach the situation. Trig - 21:58, February 21, 2020 (EST)

Gamma correction template

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Is it okay if this design is okay for the template that you asked to be created as per this proposal:

<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#debffb;margin:0.175em 2% 0.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
This image has {{wp|gamma correction}} metadata, and thus '''should not be optimized'''.
</div><noinclude>[[Category:Notice templates]]</noinclude><includeonly>[[Category:Images with gamma correction metadata]]</includeonly>

Just wondering. ^(T|C) 16:34, February 24, 2020 (EST)

This image has gamma correction metadata, and thus should not be optimized.

It's been changed somewhat because gamma correction is a smaller chunk of what it is. It's likely going to be more akin to:

<div class="notice-template" style="display:flex;text-align:center;background:#cb7eff;margin:0.175em 2% 0.75em;padding:0 1em;border:2px solid black;color:black">
This image contains ''[[User:Trig Jegman#What's Gamma Brightening?|color changing metadata]]'' and should not be optimized.
</div><noinclude>[[Category:Notice templates]]</noinclude><includeonly>[[Category:Images with color correction metadata]]</includeonly>

This image has color changing metadata and should not be optimized.

And have the template name {{Color-Correction}}, though I am still discussing it with Supermariofan67 and Mister Wu. I know you're excited to get proposals made but we still need to work out the creation of an actual page for what color correction--and possibly optimization--is. If you've any experience and would like to help you are more than welcome to, as a majority of it is on SMF67's sandbox.

Additionally (although somewhat petty and less important), don't add the line when creating a section. I add the line myself to indicate that I have read a message. Trig - 17:29, February 24, 2020 (EST)

I think I've now addressed your and Mister Wu's suggestions and added everything needed on that page. Could you check if I should change anything or add anything else? Otherwise, it's probably ready to go. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 17:55, February 24, 2020 (EST)

I left talk page messages for Wildgoosespeeder (talk) (he isn't very active anymore though) and Porplemontage (talk) and I'm waiting to hear back. I also talked to Mister Wu (talk) and applied his suggestions. If you know of any other users who might be knowledgeable in this topic, feel free to help by reaching out to them as well. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 16:56, February 25, 2020 (EST)

Thanks a lot! - Trig - 17:07, February 25, 2020 (EST)

Should we move forward on this now? Porplemontage (talk) said that everything looks okay, and Wildgoosespeeder (talk) might not respond for a while since he's not very active anymore. --Super Mario Fan ⁶⁷ (T•C•S) 17:28, February 27, 2020 (EST)

Proposal clarification

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You made several mistakes when you archived recently-completed proposals. First, you passed a proposal with only three votes. Per the proposal page, "Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion." Second, you marked a proposal which won as one which had no quorum. However, the proposal had more than three votes, and the rules that say that a proposal must be extended if no option wins by at least three votes, or that the winning option must win by the majority else it gets extended, only apply to proposals with both two options and more than ten votes, or proposals with more than two options, respectively. The proposal doesn't meet the criteria for these rules, and thus it won. Third, you marked a proposal with no quorum when it should have continued. The proposal applied to the rule of needing a majority due to having more than two options, and it had more than three votes, thus it should have continued. Finally, when archiving proposals, you should use the {{ProposalOutcome}} template on the proposal's talk page, or on the page they're archived on like here. Doomhiker (talk) 09:48, February 27, 2020 (EST)

My apologies on that. I'll take responsibility on the Shy Guy, but I was not sure how to classify the won as no quorum because of the duplicate votes in place. Because I could not really determine what won per se (even with looking at the rules), I assumed it was no quorum. As for the third, I don't know what you man for the placement of that template. Trig - 09:57, February 27, 2020 (EST)

I made a mistake with the regular Bowser Stature proposal. I was counting the duplicate votes as well when it came to the majority wins rules, so the proposal won instead of continuing or being no quorum, so sorry about that. Though what I said about the Black Shy Guy and Gold Bowser Statue proposals still pertain. Anyways, for the template, you just need to place it under the {{SettledTPP}} template. Like this:

Header

{{SettledTPP}}

{{ProposalOutcome|passed/failed/vetoed/canceled/no consensus/no quorum|votes (if necessary)|argument}}

(The rest of the proposal itself)

The Template:ProposalOutcome gives more clear instructions (and is where I took the example for the template). I hope this makes it more clear. Doomhiker (talk) 12:43, February 27, 2020 (EST)