Talk:Orb (Super Paper Mario)

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Three unique items with different descriptions, sprites, and methods to obtain. This is comparable to Justice Toad's items. Should we split this page? The Water Tablet, Fire Tablet, and Stone Tablet are similar and they're split, so this being mashed together is a strange inconsistency. Scrooge200 (talk) 00:44, February 7, 2020 (EST)

Yes, absolutely. I'm surprised these haven't been split sooner. ^(T|C) 00:47, February 7, 2020 (EST)

at least the tablets had actual differences besides being the same item with different shaders applied TheDarkStar 00:48, February 7, 2020 (EST)

Yeeeah, I think these are better merged personally....we don't split the Pure Heart (or other comparable item) colors, after all :P Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:30, February 7, 2020 (EST)

We generally split unique RPG items, though. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 03:10, February 7, 2020 (EST)

They're only "unique" in color and what part of the same fetch quest they're obtained, though. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 11:35, February 7, 2020 (EST)

I'd support a split. -- FanOfYoshi 11:59, February 7, 2020 (EST)

Except that the same goes for the multicolored keys in Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. ^(T|C) 15:56, February 9, 2020 (EST)

Except "key" is a generic thing. "Magic heaven orb of rainbow bridge justice" really isn't. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:22, February 10, 2020 (EST)

Except that orbs are generic things...in fiction, at least, so I don't know where you're going with this. "Key" items are by no means limited to just keys that unlock entryways. ^(T|C) 10:02, February 10, 2020 (EST)

Y'all that's digression. The fact of the matter is that there are three orbs with identical function in the same place that are only different in color. There's no need to split it on that basis, as a section per each orb on one large page is easily accomplished. Anchored redirects can take care of people searching for the specific orb color. This should be remerged. Trig - 10:21, February 10, 2020 (EST)

That's not digression, it's precedent. I didn't bring up the Bowser's Inside Story keys for no reason, as both that group of items and this one have near-perfect similarities; both groups consist of entities only distinguishable by their color, both are each obtained from the same group of characters (The Orbs come from Nimbis, while said keys come from Fawfulcopters), and both item groups are used in different areas of a single location. This can't be overlooked. ^(T|C) 17:20, February 12, 2020 (EST)

then if they're identical, they should be merged. they should not serve as a precedent for further unnecessary splitting. TheDarkStar 18:09, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Agreed with re-merging the Orbs and merging the Keys. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:55, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Also keep in mind that the outcome of a certain proposal disagrees with you. ^(T|C) 21:17, February 12, 2020 (EST)

That is an inappropriate comparison, as it was discussing the validity of the former Key template. Trig - 21:27, February 12, 2020 (EST)

Split the Orbs

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don't split 3-6
Okay, so these are key items with different appearances, names (in every language), and descriptions, merged solely because they are used in the same general location. I...don't see how that argument holds water. Plus, there's also those three keys from Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story that are already split to begin with (sort of) and that are also a similar case, down to a T: group of three items, all are collected from a common NPC, and all are used in the same general area. Really, that's too similar of a case to ignore here.

Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk)
Deadline: March 24, 2020, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal.
2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.
3. Niiue (talk) We split all the Castle Keys, different Red Keys, different Blue Keys, the Elemental Tablets, etc. etc. Keeping several distinct RPG items merged for any reason seems faulty to me.

Oppose

1. Waluigi Time (talk) I just don't think they're distinct enough from each other to warrant separate articles, and neither do those keys. They're just color swapped objects obtained as part of the same quest in the same location and are all used at the same time to fulfill the same goal. The only thing that changes besides color (and name to reflect color) is exactly where in the Overthere you find them and which Nimbi sage you get it from.
2. MikhailMCraft (talk) Per both.
3. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Recolored items from part of same single-level fetch quest. They don't have different properties or anything, so they're less splitworthy than many RPG "main" plot coupons.
4. Lord Grammaticus (talk) Per Waluigi Time.
5. Alex95 (talk) - They are all copies of the same item. The Keys in BIS at least activated different objects.
6. TheDarkStar (talk) - Per all.

Comments

@Niiue Except that's not actually the case, note that the Elevator Keys found in the same area are still merged. These in turn are a single-level item. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:08, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

The Elevator Keys don't have unique names or descriptions. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 17:11, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

I'd hardly call "fill-in-the blank" a "unique" thing. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:16, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

@Waluigi Time: A similar argument could be used to justify merging these keys, these tablets, and various similar items used in the same quest in the same location at the same time for the same goal. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 17:10, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

And look how redundantly short the tablets are. With the keys, the locks are at least in slightly different places, and they have "key" as a name which would be hard to merge just them while minding every other "key" in existence (though I suppose "Key (The Great Boggly Tree)" could work...). Either way, they were originally merged simply to "Blue Key" and "Red Key," so they never "got split" from each other, just from unrelated things in other games. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:18, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

Well maybe those don't need to be split either. I'm with Doc on the keys though, merging the Great Tree keys is a bit messier and awkward to do. I personally feel like we already split too many keys as is, but I don't feel too strongly about it. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:21, March 10, 2020 (EDT)

Something that occurred to me... is the blanket term "Orb" even official? It's been a while since I've played SPM, but I'm pretty sure the Orbs are referred to by their individual names. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 17:43, March 16, 2020 (EDT)

The phrase "three orbs" shows up in the script five times. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:35, March 16, 2020 (EDT)

Sounds more like a generic descriptor than a name, though. Niiue - Who has lost his tail? 19:50, March 16, 2020 (EDT)

The blue orb, yellow orb, and red orb are only capitalized as item strings for the inventory however - they are lowercase in all other text. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:58, March 16, 2020 (EDT)

Same goes for every single other RPG item not given proper names. ^(T|C) 19:09, March 17, 2020 (EDT)