Talk:Sandworm
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I am pretty sure that it's not Big Scorper as there are already enemies in Pecan Sands that use that name. --Tailikku1 (talk) 09:11, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- The source is confirmed by myself; the site takes a while to load, but once you reach the bosses, it very clearly says that this boss' name is the Big Scorper. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- I beg to differ. One of the Spritelings in Pecan Sands refers to enemies called Big Scorpers, which are scorpions with absurdly large tails, while the Scythe-armed Monster (a name by Nintendo Power) that the site calls "Big Scorper" goes unmentioned. Nintendo Powe backs this up on the 99th page of the Player's Guide--Tailikku1 (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- The site is styled as a really cheap platformer; scroll right with your mouse and click on the chests. One of these chests contains information on all of the bosses, which includes their names. It clearly calls the subject of this article the "Big Scorper". Here's the proof. It's inarguable that the site uses that name. Besides the semantics of that, do you have a source for the in-game Spriteling or the issue of the Player's Guide? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- The Red Spriteling in Pecan Sands confirms that the Big Scorper is really a scorpion enemy that can be unearthed with a Ground Pound. And I own a copy of the Player's Guide by Nintendo Power, ISBN 1-930206-26-7, which I have been using to find enemy names, ie Gem-Bodied Creatures, Triceratops, Vampire. --Tailikku1 (talk) 16:30, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- The site is styled as a really cheap platformer; scroll right with your mouse and click on the chests. One of these chests contains information on all of the bosses, which includes their names. It clearly calls the subject of this article the "Big Scorper". Here's the proof. It's inarguable that the site uses that name. Besides the semantics of that, do you have a source for the in-game Spriteling or the issue of the Player's Guide? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- I beg to differ. One of the Spritelings in Pecan Sands refers to enemies called Big Scorpers, which are scorpions with absurdly large tails, while the Scythe-armed Monster (a name by Nintendo Power) that the site calls "Big Scorper" goes unmentioned. Nintendo Powe backs this up on the 99th page of the Player's Guide--Tailikku1 (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- And for the Red Spriteling's Quote: Big Scorpers are so annoying when they burrow in the sand! Force 'em out with Ground Pounds! --Tailikku1 (talk) 16:32, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- I'm pretty sure Tailikku is right. I've played Wario World so many times and I always remember Big Scorpers being the red scorpion enemies. Go to the 5 minute mark in this video. [1]. But I'm kinda confused on what we'll do with this, as we have a website source and an in game source calling two different enemies by the same name. By the way, where did the original Big Scorper article go anyway?
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- Let's put it under SandWorm, the Prima name. --Tailikku1 (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- I was in the middle of grabbing the video source... In any case, it gives a name for the smaller creatures, but there's still the fact that this is called "Big Scorper" as well. Two things having the same name in the same game crops up every once in a while (two Chaps, two Ghosts...) The Prima name has yet to be backed up by anyone, so... Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- I managed to resurrect the true article by using an older version from August 2014. --Tailikku1 (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- I'm disagreeing with the move. The name being from the Prima Guide is an assumption from Glowsquid, as a way to question the name that's been around since 2006 but nobody's ever bothered to sourced. Besides that, I've already mentioned that articles sharing the same name, even in the same game, is a possibility. If you wanted to recreate the enemy article, all you had to do is move this one to "Big Scorper (boss)" and that one to "Big Scorper (enemy)". Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- I say we leave it as Sandworm for now until someone can provide a picture or something of the guide page, if possible. Tails777 Talk to me!
- I say we leave it as Sandworm for now until someone can provide a picture or something of the guide page, if possible.
- I'm disagreeing with the move. The name being from the Prima Guide is an assumption from Glowsquid, as a way to question the name that's been around since 2006 but nobody's ever bothered to sourced. Besides that, I've already mentioned that articles sharing the same name, even in the same game, is a possibility. If you wanted to recreate the enemy article, all you had to do is move this one to "Big Scorper (boss)" and that one to "Big Scorper (enemy)". Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- I managed to resurrect the true article by using an older version from August 2014. --Tailikku1 (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- I was in the middle of grabbing the video source... In any case, it gives a name for the smaller creatures, but there's still the fact that this is called "Big Scorper" as well. Two things having the same name in the same game crops up every once in a while (two Chaps, two Ghosts...) The Prima name has yet to be backed up by anyone, so... Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- Let's put it under SandWorm, the Prima name. --Tailikku1 (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- I'm pretty sure Tailikku is right. I've played Wario World so many times and I always remember Big Scorpers being the red scorpion enemies. Go to the 5 minute mark in this video. [1]. But I'm kinda confused on what we'll do with this, as we have a website source and an in game source calling two different enemies by the same name. By the way, where did the original Big Scorper article go anyway?
- My point is that we have a source for one name and don't have a source for the other. Shouldn't we go with the one that has a name? Also, as I said, the fact that the names came from the Prima guide is an assumption from Glowsquid, who was not involved in the creation of the article. For all we know, the names are conjectural. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- Point taken, I guess the original mover forgot to put an identifier to separate the two different enemies. The only thing I meant to bring to this topic was to point out the fact that the original Big Scorper article was replaced with this one when it was moved. Tails777 Talk to me!
- Exactly the reason why I had this brought up in the first place. Also I saw on that same site that said that this boss was called "Big Scorper" and the enemies were labelled as "sandworms". What I beleive is that the editor of the website confused the two, so the boss got the name "Big Scorper" despite being a sandworm, and the Big Scorper enemies were called "Sandworms" despite being big scorpions. --Tailikku1 (talk) 20:51, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- Except you have no proof of this. We go by what's strictly confirmed, and what's strictly confirmed is that the boss is referred to as "Big Scorper" and not "SandWorm". Even if that's the likely scenario, it's what we've been provided. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
- Exactly the reason why I had this brought up in the first place. Also I saw on that same site that said that this boss was called "Big Scorper" and the enemies were labelled as "sandworms". What I beleive is that the editor of the website confused the two, so the boss got the name "Big Scorper" despite being a sandworm, and the Big Scorper enemies were called "Sandworms" despite being big scorpions. --Tailikku1 (talk) 20:51, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- Point taken, I guess the original mover forgot to put an identifier to separate the two different enemies. The only thing I meant to bring to this topic was to point out the fact that the original Big Scorper article was replaced with this one when it was moved.
" The name being from the Prima Guide is an assumption from Glowsquid,"
The original Wario World boss names coming from the Prima Guide is indicated in an old revision of the Greenfist page (same editor also edited all the WW boss pages around the same time). Ever heard of this wonderful saying about assuming? --Glowsquid (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2015 (EST)
- All right, I'm an ass. I checked the history of both pages and didn't see anything about the names' source, so I assumed that you added that in order to question their validity. Hello, I'm Time Turner.
OK, I sifted through that site, and good lord is it awful. Takes an eternity and a half to load and its design is needlessly complicated. Complaining about the site aside, the confusion likely stems from the boss's second appearance in Pecan Sands; both the boss and the enemies bury themselves in the sand, so the editor probably thought the Spriteling was referring to the boss when it was actually referring to the enemies. This is also supported by the fact that the enemies are simply called "sand worms" in lower case, meaning that the editor didn't actually know that the scorpion enemies even had a name. The same goes for the Reptilian Goliath. It says "a reptilian goliath", not "the Reptilian Goliath". My suggestion? If no one confirms the Prima name, use the Nintendo Power name, which, according to Tailikku1, is "Scythe-armed Monster". 
18:54, 22 June 2016 (EDT)
