Talk:Podley
Ever refer to him as Beanish? Max2 (talk)
nice eye! They never say he is beanish,he doesnt even talk about. Full Metal Moogle
He looks exactly like one though, bean-shaped head, green skin... -- Sir Grodus
We should put a noe the it's inferred. Max2 (talk)
It isnt said that he is a bean bean. That information should NOT and i repeat NOT be on there if it isnt true- nvm maby in the trivia section- BUT THATS ALL Full Metal Moogle
We don't know if he's Beanish or not since Beanish people don't have an official name. But he is so obviously Beanish or came from the Beanbean Kingdom., especially with that reference to Chuckola Cola.
I am Confused 16:31, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
He LOOKS Beanish. Max2 (talk) It doesn't mention it, so it's not confirmed.
For that matter, how do we know Queen Bean is beanish? Some things you need to actually make an inference.
I am Confused 16:50, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Are you serious with "For that matter, how do we know Queen Bean is beanish?"?!?
COME ON. Full Metal Moogle
Exactly, that was my point. Queen Bean is never confirmed to be Beanish, yet we list her as one. This guy is obviously Beanish, but we don't list him as one? That's just wrong. Then what is he? A sub-species of Beanish people?
I am Confused 16:54, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Queen Bean lives in the beanbean kingdom. She rules over all beans. Podley, on the other hand, lives in rougeport. He rules over nothingness.
Isn't it possible that Queen Bean rules over another species? Peach is a human, so are all people under her rule human? No, they're Toads.
I am Confused 17:07, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Peach dosent have a say in the matter, now does she? Full Metal Moogle
What do you mean Peach has no say in the matter?
I am Confused 17:11, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Peach isnt ruled by queen bean bean. So, why would she matter? Full Metal Moogle (I'm not trying to start a fight, just proving you wrong :P)
I wasn't saying that. I was just saying that it is possible to rule a kingdom with citizens who are completely different species from the ruler.
I am Confused 17:18, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Beanish Designation
I can see there's been some editing back and forth over whether or not he's Beanish. Either way, he was recently added to Category:Legumes, which I don't think is a point of debate. Naturally, it reminded me of my Talk:Grifty#Classify_as_a_Little_Mouser proposal. I think its much more obvious that Podley, and Podler for that matter, is meant to be Beanish than it is that Grifty is meant to be a Little Mouser, and I can remember that was once listed as his species on that page. His talk page doesn't have any reference to it and I can't find an archived proposal about it, but maybe I'm missing something or searching for it incorrectly. Either way, it might be helpful to have a section to discuss that designation on this page since it seems to consistently be a point of contention, evidenced by the debate above this way back in 2007. There's been several edits back and forth about him being Beanish over the years, so do we want to do a proposal over it? Given the rejection of the Grifty proposal, I don't want to create proposals if there's an obvious consensus without one, but, unlike Grifty, it seems like this has been more controversial over the years. With or without a proposal, hopefully this more recent discussion on the talk page can help guide anyone in future who wants to list him as a Beanish. 
Dr. Baskerville 
18:05, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- Right now, the lede says "He greatly resembles a member of the Beanish, and it is heavily implied he is a member of the species, though this is not explicitly confirmed." I don't know what in the game "heavily implies" he's Beanish other than his appearance, and it seems strange to have that speculation in the lede; I think we should either definitely say he is Beanish, or just add Trivia to say he looks like one. Dr. Baskerville 18:11, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- I think the "heavily implied" part might be referring to the Chuckola Cola he serves? I probably wouldn't count that, seeing as the connection wasn't present in The Thousand-Year Door's original Japanese script due to the beverage being called "Vintage Red" there. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 18:50, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- That could explain it, but I think the language, ironically, is a little heavy. Nevertheless, what do you think about a proposal versus just adding that to Trivia? Dr. Baskerville 18:54, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- I think this should settled in a proposal. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 19:00, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- From my edit summery: "TTYD and Superstar Saga were developed by different studios. This does not mean a species that debuted in one couldn't show up in another (I wouldn't be surprised if Intelligent Systems' staff played Superstar Saga), but it's not super common, and there are a few original characters in TTYD that are "Toad-like body with weird animal/plant head", so for this case, I think it's better to be a little cautious." - Nintendo101 (talk) 22:30, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- Thank you for that. Would you recommend a proposal to settle the matter, do you to think that is unnecessary? Personally, even though it is ambiguous, I would be comfortable with classifying him as a Beanish (especially since I think there's more evidence for this than Grifty), but I don't want to create unnecessary proposals. The difference I see here is that there is more debate, based on the article's edit history, over whether or not he is Beanish. Dr. Baskerville 22:35, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- What Nintendo101 said. It's never explicitly stated, and the "implication" would have been because of his bean-like appearance and the Chuckola Cola, but the latter wasn't a connection made in the original Japanese version like SolemnStormcloud mentioned, and I don't think his appearance alone is enough to go on.
- But if you think it's debatable, go ahead with a proposal. It may catch the attention of supporters, and even if it's heavily opposed, so be it, but at least you'd know where everyone stands.
Mario JC 00:18, June 13, 2024 (EDT)
- I'll move forward with a proposal then. I have a question, though. Since whatever we do with Podley should also be done with Podler, can we have a proposal that also changes Podler's race on Podley's page, does it have to be replicated on Podler's page, or does it have to be posted on MarioWiki:Proposals? Maybe we have it on Talk:Beanish? I think the easiest option is to have the debate on this page and then apply whatever the result is to Podler's page as well, especially since there's already conversation about it here. Dr. Baskerville 01:30, June 13, 2024 (EDT)
- I'll move forward with a proposal then. I have a question, though. Since whatever we do with Podley should also be done with Podler, can we have a proposal that also changes Podler's race on Podley's page, does it have to be replicated on Podler's page, or does it have to be posted on MarioWiki:Proposals? Maybe we have it on Talk:Beanish? I think the easiest option is to have the debate on this page and then apply whatever the result is to Podler's page as well, especially since there's already conversation about it here.
- Thank you for that. Would you recommend a proposal to settle the matter, do you to think that is unnecessary? Personally, even though it is ambiguous, I would be comfortable with classifying him as a Beanish (especially since I think there's more evidence for this than Grifty), but I don't want to create unnecessary proposals. The difference I see here is that there is more debate, based on the article's edit history, over whether or not he is Beanish.
- From my edit summery: "TTYD and Superstar Saga were developed by different studios. This does not mean a species that debuted in one couldn't show up in another (I wouldn't be surprised if Intelligent Systems' staff played Superstar Saga), but it's not super common, and there are a few original characters in TTYD that are "Toad-like body with weird animal/plant head", so for this case, I think it's better to be a little cautious." - Nintendo101 (talk) 22:30, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- I think this should settled in a proposal. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 19:00, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
- That could explain it, but I think the language, ironically, is a little heavy. Nevertheless, what do you think about a proposal versus just adding that to Trivia?
- I think the "heavily implied" part might be referring to the Chuckola Cola he serves? I probably wouldn't count that, seeing as the connection wasn't present in The Thousand-Year Door's original Japanese script due to the beverage being called "Vintage Red" there. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 18:50, June 12, 2024 (EDT)
