Talk:Cap

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Who asked for this to be PAIRreveiwed? It's way too short for it to become a Featured Article anyway. EDIT: Reversinator, the only articles that need PAIRreviews are the ones that have Template:PAIRrequest on them. ^_^;; --Garlic Man (talk)

But the think is, nobody ever asks for PAIRreviews anymore, so I'm just making PAIRreviews for random articles just for fun. Besides, Knife and Cobold both gave me the A-OK for making PAIRreviews, and I'm sure they expected nobody using PAIRrequest. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

They gave you the A-OK for making PAIRreviews, or the A-OK for making PAIRreviews on random articles? --Garlic Man (talk)

Just to make PAIRreviews, but like I said, Garlicagus, I'm sure they expected nobody using PAIRrequest.
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I just didn't see the use in making PAIRreviews for articles that are too short to ever become FAs in the first place, but do what you must I guess. Garlic Man (talk)

SM64DS

Maybe we should have a list of all the caps, with who wears them in each level? Like the Boo that wears Luigi's cap in Big Boo's Haunt? Jdrawer (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2013 (EST)

Split the colored caps 2: The Lost Levels

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Late into last year, a proposal, was created to split the Colored caps in Super Mario 64 DS from their base counterparts, which ultimately did not end up succeeding.

I believe the main reasons behind its failure largely stem from the following issues:

• It appeared to be written in a way where each colored cap would receive its own individual article, or it would've rewritten the Luigi/Wario Cap pages to solely focus on the SM64DS powerups.

• General misunderstanding about what the intent of the proposal appeared to be. It appears that most of us thought the proposal aimed to split the entirety of the SM64DS info from their respective pages rather than specifically the transformation hats.

All that being said, however, I did have an idea regarding the matter which I wished I'd been able to bring up before the proposal ended: Supposing we created one article covering all three Copy Caps in the same place?

To clarify, I'm specifically referring to the "lookalike power-up caps" which transform the wearer into that character, rather than the "real" ones which have nearly identical functionality to Mario's Cap in the N64 original. I believe that information would remain largely untouched.

Regarding any counter-arguments about them not being distinct from the base counterparts, there are a few sources which indicate otherwise, such as the source provided by Sorbetti in the aforementioned proposal,, as well as a line of dialogue from a Toad near the entrance to Hazy Maze Cave who, to quote one of my own comments from that original discussion: "specifically says something along the lines of "Even if all the caps look the same, the one you've been wearing for years is special. Your luck will run out if you lose it." Which implies a distinction between "Mario's Cap" and "Red-cap-that-turns-you-into-Mario.""

And since the "Once and only once" guideline no longer appears to be as prevalent as it once was, I think this would probably be a better way to cover the "clone caps" than how our current organization handles them.

Any thoughts or objections? Wandering Poplin (talk) 00:43, March 8, 2026 (UTC)

Is there a shared article to describe the power-up caps in the original game, for which these are vaguely a replacement for? It seems it's just a section on this page. It does seem the NioL section describes them, though. If anything, it makes sense to me to have the SM64 and SM64DS "cap items" on the same page as iterations of the idea of "hats as a power-up-type item between a game and its remake." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:14, March 8, 2026 (UTC)

I wouldn't be opposed to including them as well, although I think those caps already have three different articles, whereas the info for the SM64DS transformation caps is kind of scattered across various pages. Wandering Poplin (talk) 16:40, March 9, 2026 (UTC)

Come to think of it, were the "power-up caps" from the original Super Mario 64 ever given any sort of "group name?" or were they just treated as "three different powerups shaped like Mario's hat?" Wandering Poplin (talk) 17:43, April 17, 2026 (UTC)

Manual just says "caps" (in comparison to Mario's "regular cap"), the Player's Guide usually does the same, but says "special caps" at one point to specify. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:13, April 17, 2026 (UTC)

Considering both that, and discussion below, perhaps we should rework this page to exclusively cover the power-up caps, from Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS, rather than just "Caps in general", which is what this page is rather poorly currently trying to do. Does that sound like a good idea? Wandering Poplin (talk) 01:31, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

Odyssey kinda throws a wrench in that, IMO, since there, caps are used as a trigger for several gameplay mechanics, costume-switching, and enemy/NPC vulnerability to one of the aforementioned mechanics, along with just being heavily part of the theme of that game. Not having any of that in the page called "cap" would strike me as odd. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:59, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

That's 90% Cappy, with the only exception being the Mario 64 Cap worn by one Toad to indicate he handles Courtyard (Peach's Castle) access. I say this, but I think the Cap article is super valid as a recurring design choice in the franchise, and we should keep it around. Salmancer (talk) 02:34, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

Again, enemy and NPC caps are a thing in the game that affects gameplay. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:45, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

None of those, with the exception of the Toad, have the specific design this article checks for. Visors, top hats, helmets, chef hats, hard hats, but not a cap to drink. (That's how the saying goes, right?) The enemies are handled as a paragraph in Super Mario Odyssey#Enemies and NPCs get a couple sentences in Super Mario Odyssey#Non-playable characters. Sure, extend the NPC bit, but this doesn't fit under "Cap" and we shouldn't make an even more generic "hat" article to fit this into a dedicated article. Salmancer (talk) 02:55, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

One could interpret the enemy hats as equivalent to Mario's "cap" slot. I think this falls apart because not every enemy hat corresponds to a Mario "cap". I'm thinking of Sherm here, because there isn't an equivalent tall hat on the Mario side. Not to mention how Mario doesn't react to damage in any way comparable to enemies with hats. Salmancer (talk) 03:02, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

Are the NPCs/enemy hats in Super Mario Odyssey always refered to as "Caps?" I recall the game using the term "hat" more frequently. (Granted, it's been awhile since I've touched the game, and the game's specific terminology for headwear is never something I had much reason to pay attention to until recently...) Wandering Poplin (talk) 05:02, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

Odyssey dialogue uses "hat" over "cap" in most but not all instances that aren't related to Mario's actions or the Cap Kingdom. Give List of Super Mario Odyssey quotes a look-see. Choice quotes:

And hey-hey, you've got the clothes and hat! Come right on in.

Hi there! Hats are all the rage in the Mushroom Kingdom!
Princess Peach brought them back from the moon as souvenirs!

I mean, there's still so much to do! So many hats you need to meet!

But think of all the HATS!

Most of these are Mario related, but quote two is specifically an NPC talking about other NPCs, so we have evidence for the "mechanic" of customizable headgear that Mario has being "hat" and the "less mechanic more indicator that mostly mirrors Mario's 'mechanic'" NPCs have being "hat". Salmancer (talk) 21:27, May 10, 2026 (UTC)

Well, with all that in mind, it does look like we could use an article for Odyssey's "hat" mechanic. (It looks like it'd make for a very interesting page too.)

But I think that info would be more suited for a Hat (Super Mario Odyssey) type of article than this page, although I could be wrong. Wandering Poplin (talk) 17:59, May 15, 2026 (UTC)

Is this page nessasary?

This is a question I hadn't expected to ask, but whilst analyzing the state of our various cap articles during my attempt to begin planning out a proposal regarding the question listed above, I noticed that this entire article... is kind of redundant.

Most of the info is a duplicate of information otherwise covered on the Mario Cap page, but unlike the Wario Cap or Luigi Cap pages, (Which still have their own problems...) this page has done very little to justify its existence. Apart from the info on the Parachute Caps, there's virtually nothing on this page which couldn't just as easily be covered on one of the other cap pages. (Except for Waluigi, but his hat isn't even that important anyway...)

Should we delete this article? Or is there some purpose it still fulfills which I may not be aware of? Wandering Poplin (talk) 06:44, April 17, 2026 (UTC)