Talk:List of Mario Kart 8 stamps
Cones[edit]
Since GBA Mario Circuit is more...go-kart circuit like? There has been cones in it. So of course the cones go in it. Superstarxalien169 14:46, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
Train Stamp[edit]
The train stamp are actualy 2 stamps together, you guys should realy wait till the release to put all this . You can't just copy paste from miiverse:/Billy-Luigi Time! 19:45, 5 May 2014 (EDT)
- It is only one guy..hehe "It's a me!"...The train one is an exception then: I am sure the other ones are just one. In my opnion we should delete the one of the train and keep the others. User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Yeah that's fine :)Billy-Luigi Time! 01:33, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
- It is only one guy..hehe "It's a me!"...The train one is an exception then: I am sure the other ones are just one. In my opnion we should delete the one of the train and keep the others. User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
Bowser Stamp[edit]
Someone posted a bowser stamp! Bowser Stamp
New Images[edit]
- Here's 3 Koopalings: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR5phzUkeiGH4N
- Here's 3 female Drivers: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR5oiQkuSYAlfl
Agentdave7 (talk) 17:38, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a spaceship that looks like a Blooper: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6C6PsCuT3wnz
Agentdave7 (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Wendy O. Koopa stamp (however it might be hard to edit. I'll try to look for a better one.): https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6FVqcxAX1fid
- Here's a Tiki Goon stamp: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR5QYIwpqDP6Cz
Agentdave7 (talk) 20:01, 9 May 2014 (EDT)
- Thanks for the links, I've added stamps for Wendy O. Koopa, the Blooper spaceship, Tiki Goon and a few more: Lightning, Baby Daisy, Iggy Koopa and Pokey. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 13:06, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Monty Mole stamp: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6VhWI2Fp5Exd Agentdave7 (talk) 16:51, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
- Added, thanks. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 03:08, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Shy Guy Snowboarding stamp (probably from DK Pass, if that's in MK8): https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6l0uQ4C5HI6C Agentdave7 (talk) 12:05, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- That's in MK7 this one is probably Mount WarioBilly-Luigi Time! 12:27, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Chain Chomp: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR67xKQOHB3f3C Agentdave7 (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
- Thanks, I'm thinking that it might be for the N64 Rainbow Road Time Trial since it has a lot of Chomps bouncing around, but I'll wait until we know for sure. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 10:47, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
- It must be for N64 Rainbow Road, because there are bouncing chomps, that chomp has some thingies that make it bouncing and it's chainless. They have been there since Mario Kart 64.
- Thanks, I'm thinking that it might be for the N64 Rainbow Road Time Trial since it has a lot of Chomps bouncing around, but I'll wait until we know for sure. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 10:47, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Chain Chomp: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR67xKQOHB3f3C Agentdave7 (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
- That's in MK7 this one is probably Mount WarioBilly-Luigi Time! 12:27, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Shy Guy Snowboarding stamp (probably from DK Pass, if that's in MK8): https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6l0uQ4C5HI6C Agentdave7 (talk) 12:05, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Added, thanks. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 03:08, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's a Monty Mole stamp: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6VhWI2Fp5Exd Agentdave7 (talk) 16:51, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
- Thanks for the links, I've added stamps for Wendy O. Koopa, the Blooper spaceship, Tiki Goon and a few more: Lightning, Baby Daisy, Iggy Koopa and Pokey. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 13:06, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
White Background?[edit]
- I noticed on the Mario and Yoshi character stamps, the stamps are on a white background and I don't think this is needed because the majority of stamp images on the page are transparent, all the stamps on the Super Mario 3D World stamp page are transparent, when posting on Miiverse, they are also transparent, and stamps are generally just an outline. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
There's actually a white outline in these stamps and a white background but I agree the white outline is pointless and not as useful as fully transparent stamps. It's not hard to color it in white if you really want (hell Paint does this job well) and the white border can get in the way of using the image. Just make the rest fully transparentRay Trace(T|C) 13:38, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
Totak of Stamps[edit]
We have 60 out of 90 stamps. Anyone know waht arr the remainings? What it might, according to the Miiverse posts:
- Train
- Bob Omb
- A Kart Flag background
- Potted Piranha Plant
- Boomerang Flower
- Baloons (I'm not sure of this one)
- Cup Icons (8 in total)
- ....
Waht you guys know about the remaining ones?User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Could this be another stamp, of a Chomp?
- Miiverse Post Image SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 00:41, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Cake stamp (most likely from Sweet Sweet Canyon Time Trial), the bottom of it is cut off, however: Miiverse Post Image
- I think these are considered stamps, they are most likely availble from the start: Line Burst, Horizontal Lines, Speech Bubble, and is this the flag background you mentioned?
- Since Super Mario 3D World had a number of stamps available from the start, I think it will be the same in Mario Kart 8.
- The line burst and speech bubble stamps were easy to edit: Line Burst Speech Bubble, but the others have been placed differently in different posts, so it's nearly impossible to be sure.
- I edited together the Train stamp (most likely from Toad Harbour Time Trial), but the wheels may not be correct: Train stamp
- Items stamps we haven't seen yet: Boomerang Flower, Fire Flower, Potted Piranha Plant
- I've added the Bob-omb and Blooper item stamps to the page now. Total stamps: 63/90 SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 02:37, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
1.Yes, it is a chomp stamp
2.About the cake stamp: Looks legitm, and we have one stamp resembling each course (Plane, submarine....)
3.Yes, that was the flag I was meaning, and the other backgrounds ate sure stamps. Every single post at Miiverse uses this.
4.I already saw the Potted Piranha Plant Stamp, but was lacking part of the pot.
5.Thanks by uploading the stamps :D
- 5.1 The train stanp and the speech bubble stamps are corect.
Miiverse[edit]
How did you manage to upload images from Miiverse? so yes can you do this one please? [[1]] Its for the Biddybuggy pageBilly-Luigi Time! 03:45, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Another one [[2]]Billy-Luigi Time! 03:49, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- I've uploaded them for you here: Yoshi on the Yoshi Bike Bowser on the Biddybuggy
- Here's how to upload images from Miiverse:
- Find the Miiverse post with the image you want.
- Right-click the image + "Open image in new tab" + "Save image as..."
- Once you've saved the image, go to this page and fill in the upload form... Done! SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 04:15, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Oh thank yu very much :)Billy-Luigi Time! 04:58, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
Thwomp[edit]
- Thank you unknown person! This really will helpUser:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Oh sorry here it isBilly-Luigi Time! 08:03, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- On Miiverse there are 2 new stamps: A giant Wario Statue from Wario Stadium and a Balloon from Royal Raceway. I hope it will help.Billy-Luigi Time! 10:33, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's the Balloon from Royal Raceway: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6ltGMDNm8cm7 Agentdave7 (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- We're making good progress, everyone! But, I say we shouldn't add the Thwomp, Wario Statue, Cake or Train stamps yet as they've been cut off slightly in the posts they're found in and even though they can be easily edited, it wouldn't be the official sprite. Also, I don't think that there should be separate Koopa and Shy Guy stamps, because they're most likely together in one stamp as seen in these posts: [3] and [4]. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 13:03, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Here's the Balloon from Royal Raceway: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR6ltGMDNm8cm7 Agentdave7 (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- On Miiverse there are 2 new stamps: A giant Wario Statue from Wario Stadium and a Balloon from Royal Raceway. I hope it will help.Billy-Luigi Time! 10:33, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Oh sorry here it isBilly-Luigi Time! 08:03, 11 May 2014 (EDT)
- Thank you unknown person! This really will helpUser:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
Oh, I will put the Koopa and ShyGuy stamps as just one (alongside the musical notes). Thanks by noting this. By the way, the train stamp one looks good. The others I agree that shouldn't be upload yetUser:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Alright, sounds good. I've moved the Koopa and Shy Guy stamp to the Electrodrome Time Trial slot because they look like they're dancing to music and that level has those screens with ONLY Koopas and Shy Guys dancing on them (and Piranha Plants were hazards). Also, the posts with them in it have the "Time Trials" tag and one of them mentions beating Nintendo's Staff Ghost. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 02:06, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
Stamps[edit]
So these are my guesses: The Boo stamp is from Twisted Mansion, The Monty Mole stamp from snes Donut Plains 3, The Bouncing notes belong together in 3ds Music Park and the snowboarding Shy Guy is from Mount Wario.Billy-Luigi Time! 02:23, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
- Those all seem to make sense, except it's more likely that the Wario statue will be the Mount Wario Time Trial stamp. I was actually thinking the same thing about the Music Park one, and since all of the posts I've seen usually have them together in the exact same positions, I'll go ahead and move that one now. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 03:03, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
- The Wario statue makes more sence for in ds Wario Stadium, because there is a wario statueBilly-Luigi Time! 03:06, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
- Oops, for some reason I mixed them up, yeah, everything is fine! Do you think the Mechanic Toads would make sense for the Mario Kart Stadium stamp? SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 03:13, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
- Yeah I guess so... But I would wait on that since it isn't obvious.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toadbrigade5 (talk).
- Yeah I guess so... But I would wait on that since it isn't obvious.
- Oops, for some reason I mixed them up, yeah, everything is fine! Do you think the Mechanic Toads would make sense for the Mario Kart Stadium stamp? SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 03:13, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
- The Wario statue makes more sence for in ds Wario Stadium, because there is a wario statueBilly-Luigi Time! 03:06, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
- Yeah I guess so I'll put it inBilly-Luigi Time! 04:36, 12 May 2014 (EDT)
Remaining ones that I am sure[edit]
As the title says:
- Potted Piranha Plant
- Backgrounds (are 3 in total)
- Cake
- Thwomp
- Baloons (from Baloon Battle)
- The statue of Wario too.
Goomba Stamp[edit]
I think this stamp is from Mario Circuit or GBA Mario Circuit. I don't recognize wich of these have goombas. Any hint anyone?User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- I think it is from Mario Circuit (Wii U) because GBA didn't have any I also suggest that the ones with cut off parts could be added anyway with a tag saying parts are cut off. Just my two cents... BTW How do I make a signature?
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- I think it is from Mario Circuit (Wii U) because GBA didn't have any I also suggest that the ones with cut off parts could be added anyway with a tag saying parts are cut off. Just my two cents... BTW How do I make a signature?
- I think Mario Circuit's stamp is the castle in this. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 06:29, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
- Which? The castle or the Mario?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toadbrigade5 (talk).- I think Mario Circuit's stamp is the castle User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Okay that was stupid. Whoops. Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
- Don't worry, it's common do mistakes User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Okay that was stupid. Whoops. Toadbrigade5 (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
- I think Mario Circuit's stamp is the castle User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Which? The castle or the Mario?
Castle stamp ready to go.[edit]
Just my opinion. Put in other if we cant confirm it's mario circuit...
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- This isn't the problem. The problem is that the image lacks part of the castle roof.User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Oh, whoops. Didn't notice that either... I really like these stamps. They are a lot more useful in programming than the ones of super mario 3d world.
- This isn't the problem. The problem is that the image lacks part of the castle roof.User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
New stamp[edit]
A new stamp User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- That's definetly Bowser Castle. No doubt about it.Toadbrigade5 (talk) 23:18, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
- It's cut off, so I think we should wait until we can get a better version before jumping in. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:18, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
- Yep. This is because I didn't uploaded the image User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- By the way the potted piranha plant stamp I've seen last week User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- Yep. This is because I didn't uploaded the image User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
The blank boxes are not that great.[edit]
I think we should try either: Inseting the cut off stamps the way they are.
Or write text about what the stamps are
Just to fill the boxes... You guys think?
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Cloudtop Cruise[edit]
Found the stamp, smooth version as of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpMzZyArDwU
Superstarxalien169 16:15, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
MY FIRST SUCCESS CONTRIBUTION TO SMW!!![edit]
I found a finished thowmp stamp, but how do I but it in?Toadbrigade5 (talk) 19:08, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
Dolphin Stamp[edit]
Here's a dolphin stamp: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR7-8dwX2574bw Agentdave7 (talk) 19:11, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
blooper spaceship[edit]
Where did the blooper Spaceship go? Toadbrigade5 (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2014 (EDT)
- Someone must've accidentally deleted it, I've put it back now, thanks for noticing! SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 04:09, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
Possibilities[edit]
Toad= Toads turnpike
Goomba= GBA Mario Ciruit?
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We might have to wait until the game is released in order to determine those. Agentdave7 (talk) 11:02, 21 May 2014 (EDT)
- Okay, and I also think that the pirhna plant might not be potted, and could actually be Pirhana Plant Slide.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.144.198.170 (talk).- I'm sure there were at least two Miiverse posts indicating that the Piranha Plant is indeed potted. The actual 3DS Piranha Plant Slide stamp would most likely be of a bigger Piranha Plant. Here's a post where you can kinda see the pot: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR7U8ak0epNAg8 SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
- I've added the Piranha Plant item stamp, and found a Miiverse post with the 3DS Piranha Plant Slide stamp: Miiverse
- It's obviously cut off, so we'll have to look out for a better one. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
- I'm sure there were at least two Miiverse posts indicating that the Piranha Plant is indeed potted. The actual 3DS Piranha Plant Slide stamp would most likely be of a bigger Piranha Plant. Here's a post where you can kinda see the pot: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/pap/zlCfzR7U8ak0epNAg8 SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
Courses Articles[edit]
I was looking at how each of the courses appears to have a stamp that you unlock from doing a Time Trial on them. When the game comes out and/or when all 32 of those stamps are available, should we include the stamp in the article for each course. Maybe something along the lines of "The stamp obtained for beating a Time Trial on the course in Mario Kart 8" Watcher of Game (talk)
- I'd say that would be a good idea, it makes sense. Mainly since the Super Mario 3D World level articles include them. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 00:51, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
Fire Snake, Wario Statue and Piranha Plant[edit]
Here is the Fire Snake: Image Miiverse Post The reason I'm not putting it in just yet is because I'm not sure if the post here is showing the whole shadow (it seems cut off slightly). I just wanted to see what anyone else thinks, if it looks fine enough, then it can be put in the list.
Also, this post shows a bit more under the Wario Statue stamp, but I also think there's still more to this stamp, it seems very big considering the top is already cut off, the whole stamp can't even fit.
And finally, should the Piranha Plant stamp be called the "Piranha Plant" stamp, or the "Potted Piranha Plant" stamp? For now, I've written it as Piranha Plant, but linked it to the Potted Piranha Plant article, since the game only calls it "Piranha Plant". SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
Fire Snake Stamp is OK, and Potted Piranha Plant stamp as wel... About the Wario Statue stamp...O don't know exactly, for me if part of Wario's cap be cut off is allright.User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
I got the game, and trying to get stamps.[edit]
I am trying desperately for the full Wario Statue, Bowser Golem, and Gears, but the staff ghosts are so hard and I suck.
- It's fine, I've got every stamp, so I just made a bunch of Miiverse posts with the ones the wiki didn't have and uploaded them. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 01:26, 1 June 2014 (EDT)
- Alright, I've finished uploading everything. But, I still have to ask, why are we coloring the stamps in white here, but not on the Super Mario 3D World stamp article? I'm not exactly saying we shouldn't color them in, but it seems strange to leave the stamps from one game colored, and stamps from the other transparent. SuperPizzaLuigi (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2014 (EDT)
- Some stamps, such as the Thwomp, aren't actually shapes. They are not connected at places and need coloring
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- Some stamps, such as the Thwomp, aren't actually shapes. They are not connected at places and need coloring
92 stamps?[edit]
I was counting the stamps at the oage, and I got 92, instead of 90...Am I crazy?User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
- I don't know you well enough to answer your question, but in regard to the number of stamps present, my count yields 30 drivers + 32 course stamps + 17 items + 11 others = 90 stamps. --Steve470 (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
With DLC Packs...[edit]
... it's possible that, with the stamps, we can get new stamps because of new tracks and characters? For example, a new stamp of Tanooki Mario (obtained by winning a Grand Prix as him) or of a Minecart (obtained by winning a Time Trial race against a Staff Ghost on Wii Wario's Gold Mine).
--BlooP-OW (talk) 18:10, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
- I agree, but we need to wait for the game for confirmation. By the way, your signature is waaaaay too big. If the minecart is part of it. Toadbrigade5 (talk) 23:19, 5 November 2014 (EST)
All Stamps[edit]
I'll just leave this here. Enjoy. -- NWPlayer123 (talk) 10:47, 23 April 2015 (EST)
DLC pack 2 brings ten new stamps![edit]
If you go on the MK8 list of stamps when writing a miiverse post, you can see that there are a few more stamps we haven't uploaded, including an F-Zero sign, a Bowser Emblem, Link, Isabelle, a House, and Animal Crossing Tree, and Lakitu on his cloud. Toad and his brigade! 16:33, 25 April 2015 (EDT)
"Lakitu on a Cloud" New Stamp[edit]
This stamp is placed on the other stamps content. Although, it needs to be put at courses content with other new stamps (such as Koopa Clown Car Jack-in-the-Box stamp from GBA Ribbon Road or Bowser Icon stamp from 3DS Neo Bowser City) because this stamp can be seen in Dragon Driftway course at the mural Lakitu part of the course; --BlooP-OW (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2015 (EDT)
Gallery[edit]
Okay, so the images in the gallery are of slightly higher quality. Does that still mean we need to have a section that does nothing except repeat what are essentially the exact same images? Why not just move the images from the gallery into the list with the descriptions? It looks really silly to me to have a list of images, and then a gallery of those same images. Shadow2 (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2015 (EDT)
- "Slightly" higher quality is a huge underexaggeration. The stamps I have uploaded here can be used to recreate .svg styled files with Illustrator or any vector-based image program via tracing, which can be very useful if you want images that can be resized without loss of image quality, and these images are of decent quality enough to be used with Illustrator, unlike the sprites. The list is created to showcase off the sprite versions of the images, which are the sprites that are used in-game while the gallery is the artwork versions of them, which can be found only if you have the online version of the Prima guide. I think it's pretty damn straightforward if you ask me. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:12, 16 September 2015 (EDT)
- It's still essentially the same gallery of images twice. One is the sprites, and one is "better" versions of the sprites. Do we honestly need both? Shadow2 (talk) 05:56, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
- Yes we do. The two have basically different applications for different purposes. And I still don't think you understand my explanation on why the rasterized vectors are greatly different than the sprite versions. Ray Trace(T|C) 20:33, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
- I do in fact understand why the rasterized vectors are better and more useful. So why not replace the spite images with the vectors? The sprites are (1) unneeded duplicates, (2) not rasterized vectors and (3) of much lower and uglier quality anyway. Shadow2 (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
- Because, as I said, those sprite rips are the exact same sprite as the ones used in Miiverse posts. I don't feel like repeating myself again, they have different uses for different purposes, much like how a sprite Mario is theoretically lower quality than an artwork Mario, yet they serve a different function. It's staying up. Ray Trace(T|C) 23:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
- I do in fact understand why the rasterized vectors are better and more useful. So why not replace the spite images with the vectors? The sprites are (1) unneeded duplicates, (2) not rasterized vectors and (3) of much lower and uglier quality anyway. Shadow2 (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
- Yes we do. The two have basically different applications for different purposes. And I still don't think you understand my explanation on why the rasterized vectors are greatly different than the sprite versions. Ray Trace(T|C) 20:33, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
- It's still essentially the same gallery of images twice. One is the sprites, and one is "better" versions of the sprites. Do we honestly need both? Shadow2 (talk) 05:56, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
Re-order[edit]
I feel like we should re-order these stamps to be like how they are in game, but are still in the same categories. I just think it's kinda strange that people didn't do that, maybe due to not knowing the order? Well, I do know that order, so expect some eventual changes.
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