Talk:Goomboss

Who races the Goomba King in the mission mode of Mario Kart DS? --Son of Suns 19:20, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

Toad. I added the info in. :) -Wayoshi 19:34, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

Mario Kart DS

I've never played Mario Kart DS, but does the game ever say that Goomboss and the Goomba King are the same person? --Yoshi626 16:02, 16 January 2007 (EST)

No game does, it is heavily implied, just like it is implied Chubbies are Monty Moles. -- Son of Suns

I agree, but how come this is different? --Yoshi626 16:20, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Because in SM64 (the original version) there was an enemy named "Big Boo". The Big Boo from SM64 DS could be this same Big Boo, but it is likely King Boo, a different character. There was no Goomboss or Goomba King in the original version of SM64. -- Son of SUns

Huh, I never thought of it like that. Thanks. --Yoshi626 16:42, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Anybody notice that in MKDS, he has white eyebrows while in Paper Mario, they are just black. Has this Goomba aged?Knife (talk)

It's been over 5 years since Gooma King last attacked so yeah. Paper Jorge

Goomboss

We should change this to Goomboss. I haven't seen him called Goomba King since Paper Mario. Our Blooper page isn't called Bloober, is it?!? Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 20:32, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Good point. But please, try to make your screenshots a bit less fuzzier.. 3D, who needs to make his scans better!

I have a Mac and OF COURSE they don't make screenshot processors for MAC!!!!!!! I have to stick with a regular camera. <:( Para Yoshi ^Wahoo! 20:35, 17 January 2007 (EST)

My digital camera won't take screenshots AT ALL. And I'm stuck with a Windows! 3D, if Windows was a toaster company, everybody would hate it, but all the good bread would only work with Windows!

I argue with the first comment. He was first Goomba King in his first appearance. He had a crown and King-like clothes. His original name is Goomba King. --General Kelty 18:08, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

I think the newest name should be the title. That's how it works at Wikipedia anyway.
I am Confused 12:07, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Goomboss=Goomba King?

How do we know that Goomba King has changed his name from Goomba King and Goomboss? Sure they look the same, but is there any proof at all saying that Goomboss is the same as Goomba King?
I am Confused 22:04, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Aside from their near identical appearance, no, theres no real proof; so, what should be done about this? -- Sir Grodus

State that it is implied they are the same. -- Son of Suns

Just say that in PM, he was known as Goomba king, but is now known as Goomboss. 3D, EZ.

They are defintaly the same guys. his basic appearence could be coincidence but they have the same color striped pants to.-Pal101

Just one question: if the "Goomba King" was enlarged by the Star Rod, how could he be Goomboss, if Super Mario 64 DS takes place chronologically BEFORE Paper Mario? If that question could be answered, I'd bet few people would have any more problems with it. That's not to say I don't agree with the merge, though- I'd just like that explained. Dinosaur bob 12:07, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Aside from appearence they do have more similarities. They both semm insane. They both stomp back and forth and watch both there eyes. They go up and down alot. Also Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS are different enough to be considered two seperet incidents.-Pal101

I am glad you have an open mind about it though {{User:Pal101))

Honestly, I consider SM64DS a remake, telling an updated version of the same events- or better yet, sort of a Special Edition. Dinosaur bob 20:53, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Okay so we may never truly know. Lets bug Nintendo about it until they give us the answer. User:Pal101

Did Bowser ever say he enlarged the Goomba King with the Star Rod? I believe these are the only lines of dialogue where Bowser mentions the Goomba King's power.

Bowser: "What? Unbelievable! What was the Goomba King thinking? I used the Star Rod to make him a King because he begged me...And Mario whips him so easily? What a wimp!! Uh...Kammy Koopa! You ARE sure Mario can never defeat us, right?"
...
Bowser: "...Psst! Kammy Koopa... Are you sure these guys can get the job done? That Goomba King was gigantic and even he couldn't beat Mario."
R Ninjakoopa: "Pshaw! Get real, King Bowser! Yeah, the Goomba King was huge, but he was a total wimpola! We're nothing like him! See, what we've got going on is the power of teamwork...Together, we can put the hurt on Mario in seconds flat!"

--Alan Redgown56 17:45, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Um... that quote takes place after Mario beat Goomboss. It was talking about how big he was in the fight. Max2 (talk).

I'll write a letter to Nintendo of America asking if Goomboss and Goomba King are the same character!-KP Shadow

I think that if we are going to merge goomboss and the goomba king, we should merge kammy koopa and kamella-primid snake

Goomboss and Goomba King are already merged, there's no "going to" in it. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 12:10, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

What I ment was if were going to make them the same article. I thought you could infer that.-primid snake

I think that in Super Mario 64 DS his name was Goomboss first but in Paper Mario, Bowser gave him king status, but when he was defeated he lost his royalty and became Goomboss again. MarioFan9999 11:14, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Mention that...

Shouldn't we at least meniton that it isn't %100 confirmed if Goomboss and Gommba King are the same? HyperToad

As far as I know, his name is always the same in Japanese ("Kuri King"), which implies that they are really the same. --Grandy02 15:41, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

made of Goombas

When I was playing Super Mario 64 DS, I noticed when he exploded goombas came out of him. Does that mean he is made of Goombas? GalacticPetey

That... would be weird. I think that when he's beaten, he splits into Goombas, but I don't think we should care that much about it. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Well, Boolossus is made of Boos, so maybe Goomboss is made of goombas? At any rate, he would then have some motivation to be turned into a king: The Star Rod's magic would probably make his form stable. Goombomb

It's probably just a reference to the Big Goombas, which splits into two Goombas when jumped on. --Metalex123 (talk) 23:10, 17 April 2016 (EDT)

Merge Chestnut King into this

They have the same Japanese name, and thus are highly likely to be the same character. PikaSamus (talk) 21:21, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

Nope, it may be implied, but the only evidence is the Japanese name. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:17, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

It might be a reference to the character of the same name from the prequel, but Luigi embellishes his own story and the Super Luigi author further romanticizes his adventures, so it's still a separate interpretation of the character. LinkTheLefty (talk) 08:20, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

Move the information about the "Chesnut King" currently on the List of implied characters to this page

Template:SettledTPP Template:ProposalOutcome A while back, there was a proposal to move various article about unseen characters to the previously-mentioned page and I argued the Chestnut King (mentioned in the "Super Luigi" books in Paper Mario TTYD) page should be merged here because X, Y, and Z. The vote didn't go my way but I didn't think the opposition's arguments were very compelling, and I still think this the proper place for the information. I'll adress them all

• It was a deliberate change by the translators: The original Japanese script and every other official translations of the game call this character "Goomba King". The English translation is alone in this. As detailled here, the English translation of TTYD mangles or remove several references made to the original Paper Mario. Occam's Razor would dictate this is yet another goof.
• The "Chesnut King" is described differently from the Goomba King and has different motivation: That is true, but there's an in-universe justification: the gag of Super Luigi is that Luigi's account of his adventures and the in-universe book are humorously embelished, as talking to Luigi's partners will reveal how lame or embarassing the events actually were. Making the easy tutorial boss of the previous game into the main villain of the quest and giving an Hollywood ending to a calvacade of farce totally fits with the joke of Super Luigi.
• The books never acknowledge at any point the Goomba King is a pre-existing character: While this is somewhat odd from an out-of-universe perspective, nothing in the content of the story truly necessitates bringing that up and Luigi never meets the Goomba King during the original Paper Mario.

Basically, think of it this way: If Treehouse had named the character "Goomba King" (as everyone else around the globe did) back in 2004, would we have editors today vehemently arguing the information should be split because they obviously cannot be the same character? In my mind: obviously not.

Proposer: Glowsquid (talk)
Deadline: December 28, 2018, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 4, 2019, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 11, 2019, 23:59 GMT Extended to January 18, 2019, 23:59 GMT

Move here (Goomboss played us like a damn fiddle!)

1. Glowsquid (talk) GO ME
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) A gag of references to previous bosses continued with the Grodus Chronicles, I dare say. Anyways, per proposal.
3. GrainedCargo192 (talk) Per all.
4. Niiue (talk) Per all.
5. bwburke94 (talk) Per all. It's likely to be a botched translation.
6. LinkTheLefty (talk) I'll repeat myself from last time: "if the English translators had just picked up on the name back in the day like every other localization, would this even be up for debate?" I've yet to see the opposition answer such an essential question.
7. Bazooka Mario (talk) Luigi might be full of shit, but I don't think the localizers for literally every other language are as well.
8. Doomhiker (talk) If every other language calls the the chestnut king the Goomba King, then chances are that the english translation mistranslated the name. Per all and my comment below.
9. Mister Wu (talk) Well, in my country I didn't have this issue to begin with thanks to localizers who did their homework, considering how even in this case the Japanese name confirms that they weren't wrong, I can only agree with them and this proposal! (By the way, the Spanish team agrees with them as well)
10. SmokedChili (talk) Per all aside, I don't see how Goomba King and Chestnut King being different individuals is a good reason to keep them separate when there's Puzzle & Dragons SMB with its multiple King Boos and Petey Piranhas, and Goomboss from SM64DS who doesn't have Goomba King and Chestnut King's background of being transformed.
11. Yoshi the SSM (talk) Per all. The Waffle Kingdom sounds very similar to the Mushroom Kingdom with it having a princess and a consoler but not a hero or else they won't need Mario's or Luigi's help. Couple by the fact that Goombas can appear anywhere in the world, it is very likely it is a Goomba King. This part is speculation (and yes I do realize that Nintendo (America) gave him his name, I am not discrediting them, I am just speculating why it could be that way from an in-game perspective), but due to Goombas looking like Chestnuts, the residents of Waffle Kingdom probably called them after Chestnuts and called their leader Chestnut King. Even if Minister Crepe was the one who transformed the prince to the Chestnut King, it is still possible that he based it off of Goombas. And based on this, I think a Goomba King is the best name to call him. Exactly the Goomba King of Paper Mario or Goomboss of Super Mario 64 DS and Mario Kart DS, unlikely (with or without that speculation of why he is called Chestnut King). But those two are unlikely to be the same too. Hence, the reason of support.

Stay on List of Implied (Chestnut King is an actual Chestnut King. He is a new one. That Treehouse invented.)

1. Alex95 (talk) - I'll hold to my original thoughts. The only 100% connection I can find is the Japanese name, everything else is different. Sure, Luigi could be fudging some details, but from what I can remember, Luigi's partners never say anything about the Chestnut King, meaning Luigi's word and Super Luigi is all we have to go off of (perhaps someone could prove me wrong there). The creation of the Chestnut King is also noteworthy, I believe: He's Princess Eclair's lover transformed. Certainly not the story Goomboss goes through.
2. Waluigi Time (talk) Per Alex95 and the previous proposal.
3. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per all. Honestly, I would have liked it better if we could do both, but I'm opposing for now until we get a proposal with such an option. Then again, both pages feature this information to some capacity, so...what even is the point of this proposal?
4. TheFlameChomp (talk) Per all.
5. 7feetunder (talk) I didn't support this last time, I'm not supporting it now.
6. Chester Alan Arthur (talk) Per all without seeing the character firsthand we have no idea what he was embellishing and what he wasn't so the argument that he was just lying about the description doesn't hold water with me. In addition while they may have the same name in Japanese that in no way proves they are the same character or that Nintendo was intending for them to be the same.
7. Scrooge200 (talk) Per all.
8. FanOfYoshi (talk) I think it would be speculating when saying that they are intended to be the same character. Per Chester Alan Arthur.
9. Tails777 (talk) Per all.
10. Bloc Partier (talk) Per all. Would be nice if the connection was mentioned in this article, though.
11. Seandwalsh (talk) Per Alex95.
12. Sdman213 (talk) Per all.

Comments

@Alex As addressed in the proposal, "Making the easy tutorial boss of the previous game into the main villain of the quest and giving an Hollywood ending to a calvacade^[sic] of farce totally fits with the joke of Super Luigi." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:09, 13 December 2018 (EST)

And as I said, Luigi and Super Luigi is all we have to go off of. No matter how much of the information is true or false, it's the only information available. 13:17, 13 December 2018 (EST)

The only information available is not the unreliable narrator and his even-less reliable book. Note that when speaking with Luigi, the tale seems more in-line with the partners' stories than the books are. The books seem hyper-embellished (ie role in play going from grass to "earth spirit"), and only in the books is the "fiancee to Eclair" thing mentioned. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:05, 13 December 2018 (EST)

Does Luigi ever contradict the Chestnut King's origins though? Yes, the books are clearly embellished, but if Luigi and his partners don't contradict certain parts, we have no evidence to say "well it's probably made up". -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 16:33, 13 December 2018 (EST)

As said in the Goomba page The original Japanese name, Kuribo, translates to "Chestnut Boy", which was due to the designs looking more like chestnuts than shiitake mushrooms. Perhaps Goomboss being changed to the Chestnut King is a reference to goomba's original Japanese name, with the gag being that Luigi confused a goomba with a chestnut, especially since goombas tend to look more like chestnuts than shiitake mushrooms. Doomhiker (talk) 16:45, 13 December 2018 (EST)

Why wouldn't Luigi tell him that detail if he'd write about it and it actually happened? He basically said "I beat him and then there was a demon thing and I won, and that's all that happened." If he was willing to tell him about the grass, surely he'd be willing to tell him about how he was cheated out of a relationship because the dog the apparent villain was the true fiance? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:47, 17 December 2018 (EST)

@Chester It's not just Japanese. It's every language aside from English. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:49, 17 December 2018 (EST)

While we're on the topic, can we do something about Goomstar Temple on the list of implied locations instead of a redirect to Crystal Palace, or is that also a particularly contentious one? LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2018 (EST)

I'm fine with merging Goomstar Temple with Crystal Palace. At least that connection is much more straightforward than the Chestnut King/Goomba King one. 21:53, 20 December 2018 (EST)

@SmokedChili: They're the same Petey Piranha and King Boo, just as a rematch. ^(T|C) 10:43, 23 December 2018 (EST)

If there can be multiple of them, how can they be the same? SmokedChili (talk) 11:20, 23 December 2018 (EST)

I'd say Puzzle & Dragons is a strange outlier in that regard. The other games, with the exception of Mario Hoops 3-on-3 (which has two Peteys for some reason) show only one Petey and King Boo, goop clone in Sunshine aside. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:21, 23 December 2018 (EST)

@Yoshi the SSM: You realize your entire vote is based on speculation, right? Also, Goomba King/Goomboss are nearly identical except for Goomboss now having white eyebrows, and have the same name in Japanese. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:59, 26 December 2018 (EST)

It's not entirely. I said that the Waffle Kingdom has a princess and a consoler. The princess is obviously Princess Éclair. But, Minister Crepe doesn't obviously sound like a consoler at first, but if you look at his German name, he is basically the same as Toadsworth, but different. And thus, I believe he has the same role as him. As for Goombas appearing around the world, the Goombas seen in that game don't come from Bowser's army. Thus, it is indeed possible for Goombas to be in the Waffle Kingdom. As for being different Goomba Kings, this is supported by the fact that PM became that way due to the Star Rod (and was singular). SM64DS became that way due to lots of Goombas coming together. But, other than that, we have no evidence that says that they are different, nor any evidence (besides the Japenese name) that they are the same. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 10:16, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Yes, it is entirely. None of what you're saying in your vote has any relevance whatsoever, it's just baseless speculation that does absolutely nothing to justify a merge. Your points about the differences between the PM and SM64DS incarnations of Goomba King/Goomboss are also irrelevant, as continuity between completely different series of games is not a thing. TTYD is a direct sequel to the first Paper Mario, so differences in characterization are much more relevant here. Furthermore, you keep mentioning that there's no evidence they are the same; that's a reason not to merge them. Motion to have your vote removed; we do not merge articles based on fan theories. 22:22, 27 December 2018 (EST)

There is evidence, namely that English is the only language to foul up the translation, which it did many other times. Saying they're different is far more speculation-based than saying they're the same, and once again, there has not seemed to be an answer to the "would we be having this discussion if the English translation called him Goomba King?" question. Please answer it. I motion to have answering that be a requirement to voting "keep split," as without it, the arguments against look like a "one true canon" sort of speculative deal. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2018 (EST)

There is something else I see. The issue of TTYD being a direct sequel to the first PM being the reason why characterization is more relevant. And I don't think this is a just cause. This is because it takes place in an implied kingdom. So, I looked at things implied and for implied characters. During that search I found the German name of Minister Crepe being similar to Toadsworth. And thus I believe they share the same role. But, it is nothing more than implied they share the same role, not proved. Plus, I don't have the game, so this site is what I have to go on. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2018 (EST)

What does Minister Crepe having a similar government role to Toadsworth have to do with Goomboss and Chestnut King though? All I see is you talking about similarities between the Mushroom Kingdom and Waffle Kingdom, then somehow coming to the conclusion that Goomboss and the Chestnut King are separate characters but arguing to merge them anyway because you perceive Goomba King and Goomboss to be separate characters. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:17, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Yeah, that does sound like I am reading into the lines too much. However, my vote is my take on my view of the situation. As for TTYD, PM, and SM64DS versions being different idea, I thought because of their Japanese names that they should be grouped together. Yes, it appears TTYD has a loser connection to PM than SM64DS, but both have one thing in common: their English names are different from PM, but their Japanese names are the same. The only difference may be that chestnut is not associated with Goombas in English (while boss is similar to king). But, chestnut is in Japanese. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2018 (EST)

@Yoshi the SSM: What are you even trying to say? All I'm getting from your comment is "the Japanese names are the same, so they should be merged." No. If that were true, we would've merged Toadette and Vanna T. a long time ago.

@Doc: The Big Boo from Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon shares Boolossus' name in Japanese. In English it doesn't, and we instead list its information on the Big Boo article. But if the English translators had called him Boolossus instead, LMDM Big Boo's info would probably be on the Boolossus' article right now. I'm not necessarily saying LMDM Big Boo's info shouldn't be on the Boolossus article; there are obvious similarities between the two that support a merge. The point is that the "what if" scenario is not nearly as important as you think it is. Like that Chancellor/Toad Minister proposal that's going on right now. If the English names were the same it would probably have more support than it does now, and there's also a possibility the articles wouldn't have been separate to begin with. I'm neutral on that issue, but I'd vote to support that long before this, because again, similarities beyond just the names. The Chestnut King gives me nothing to go on. He's an unseen character in an unseen kingdom consisting entirely of new characters with no obvious connection to the Goomba King other than the name. 00:21, 29 December 2018 (EST)

@Toadette's edit to his vote: That's very unlikely to get any traction due to it could be violating the Once and only once policy. Plus, it is mentioned in the trivia on this page right now. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 10:16, 27 December 2018 (EST)

How exactly would it violate the policy? ^(T|C) 12:19, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Is it just me, or none of the opposition votes addressed the "That Treehouse invented" part of the vote? I'm not even sure if what the Japanese script says about this character is known. Considering how the discovery of the Japanese script describing the same character as the English script bar the mistranslated name would invalidate the concept of Treehouse having invented the character, should we consider rewriting the opposing vote so that it matches the consensus among the people who oppose better?--Mister Wu (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2018 (EST)

I think it was more of a jab at the opposition than anything. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 19:38, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Here's what it comes down to for me. Yes, Goomboss and the Chestnut King share the same name in several languages, but the Chestnut King's backstory is very different to that of Goomboss. That name is the only evidence in support of this merge, and the supporters are handwaving the Chestnut King's backstory as "probably made up". However, all the information we have about the Chestnut King comes from two unreliable narrators; Luigi, and the author of the Super Luigi books. While both authors indisputably fudged a lot of the details, who are we to say which details are made up just because we want to merge an article? I'd argue that doing so would be nothing but pure speculation. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 21:24, 2 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah, but it is actually called Goomba King in three languages (French, German, and Italian), not just one like Toadette in PMTTYD (which is just German that calls her Vanna T.). Yoshi the SSM (talk) 23:15, 4 January 2019 (EST)

The Toadette error was caused because Vanna T. and Toadette have the same Japanese name. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:42, 5 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah, I am just showing you that Goomba King isn't just a mistake by the developers of those languages, as there are three languages that actually has Goomba King. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2019 (EST)

This just came to my mind: How and why would Goomba King's background contradict with Chestnut King's? SmokedChili (talk) 02:37, 5 January 2019 (EST)

Goomboss is a giant Goomba and a loyal follower of Bowser who was turned into a king with the Star Rod (contrary to the article, I don't believe any dialogue in the game mentions Bowser increasing Goomboss' size or the pact between the two, as seen up here). According to the Super Luigi books, the Chestnut King was Princess Eclair's lover who was transformed into a monster by Minister Crepe. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 13:42, 5 January 2019 (EST)

Still don't see the contradiction. Besides, how would these be mutually exclusive from each other? SmokedChili (talk) 14:19, 5 January 2019 (EST)

And in SM64DS, defeating him reveals him to be a combined form of several normal Goombas, a la Megasparkle Goomba. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:25, 5 January 2019 (EST)

Keep in mind that Big Goombas later adopted this trait in the New Super Mario Bros. games. Regardless, Goomba King and Goomboss have many similarities that would indicate they are the same, being loyal followers of Bowser with nearly the exact same appearance, while the only evidence pointing to the Chestnut King being Goomboss is their shared name in some languages. We never get to see the actual Chestnut King, so we don't truly know how similar they actually are. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 15:05, 6 January 2019 (EST)

Conversely, we don't get to see how different they are, and the vague descriptions we get are from a guy and a book lying out their respective arses. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:21, 6 January 2019 (EST)

Have the Chesnut King on the List of implied characters redirect to this page

Three years ago there was a proposal by Glowsquid to move this — here is the main compelling argument:

• The Chestnut King is identical to the Goomba King’s name in Paper Mario in every version of the game except English: The original Japanese script and every other official translations of the game call this character "Goomba King". The English localization is alone in this. In fact the English localization of TTYD mangles or remove several references made to the original Paper Mario. This is another mistake by the English localization team. As a wiki we strive for a relatively neutral point of view, and allowing the mistake of one language to override the intent of the game in all other languages is frankly unbecoming of the Super Mario Wiki. The Chestnut King should redirect to this page and all the content should get its own game section. It’s a really cool bit of trivia that I just learned, and would’ve learned long before if this article was handled properly.

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Plumber joined the Super Mario Wiki on January 20th, 2007 and first became notable after his involvement with the Cheese Craze of '07, which began his close associations with HK-47, Xzelion, Max2, 3Dejong, and YellowYoshi398. He was also closely associated with his brother Bean, RAP, WarioLoaf, Phoenix Rider, and Pokemon DP at various points during his active userhood. Plumber was closely involved significant events in during his tenure such as the Cheese Craze, the Willy Event, the Wiki Drought, and the first MarioWiki Awards Show. Though he was only an active user for exactly one year due to his responsibilities with Fantendo, Plumber remains an infamous member of the community, and is regarded as a weird uncle during a great era of expansion in the wiki community.

History

In the aftermath of the Cheese Craze of '07, Plumber became well known for salvaging the history of the event.

Cheese Craze of '07

He first stumbled upon the wiki to edit the Bowser article. Looking back, he says that his edit to Bowser was worded very poorly. He later got his brother Beanbean to join and they almost got blocked by Paper Jorge, who believed Bean was a sock puppet. Originally, Plumber was a minor user who was helped by users such as KPH2293. He also helped Xzelion with some advice and made a friendship with him.

Later Plumber interfered with a two-way conversation between HK-47 and YellowYoshi398 about cheese. After Plumber, more users joined in the discussion about cheese, and the Cheese Craze of '07 began. The Cheese Lovers had fun posting pictures that were edited to have cheese in them, though later Paper Jorge deleted them. Luckily, Plumber managed to copy all the text in time, which salvaged the fun times. The text can still be viewed today.

Patrollerhood

After the Cheese Craze, he became more well-known (even being nominated for sysophood in the brief Sysop Polls), and became an active member of the MarioWiki community, and was one of the few users on the chatroom. He was notorious for spamming the chatroom (and forum sometimes) with Xzelion and RAP. Ironically, both of his spamming buddies would later become Bureaucrats. This led to Wayoshi putting ChanServ on the chatroom. To test his op powers, Wayoshi kicked and banned Plumber, making him the first user to be kicked/banned from the chatroom.

Plumber was later made a patroller and patrolled the Recent Changes often, but whenever he caught a troll, Xzelion blocked them before Plumber could, and he only ended up blocking three trolls during his patrolhood. Due to his spammy behavior and seemingly slacking of the job, he was demoted by Wayoshi. After Plumber was demoted from Patroller, Xzelion and Plumber joked that if Plumber was slightly faster, he could have become a Bureaucrat and Xzelion would have been demoted instead.

After he was demoted, he became more focused on sprite comics than editing and joined the growing UnMario Wiki during the Wiki Drought. He also founded Fantendo during this period. After UnMario's popularity died down, he became active again.

Willy Event

Real documentary footage of Wayoshi unmasked as Willy.

After tricking User:Mr.Vruet to spamming IRC Darkmyst Admin komies' query in chat, he was server killed for a week. During this time, he chatted with HK-47 on the mozilla server and also played blackjack with him online which led to a great friendship. HK later revived the "Tenacious Three" and invited Plumber to join. Around this time, Master Crash asked Plumber to help him found, Userpedia, a wiki for user material]]. However, Plumber declined, being busy enough with Fantendo. Plumber would later join Userpedia and quickly become a sysop and bureaucrat there. This page was originally taken from the Userpedia page of Plumber, since it’s more or less accurate.

During the Willy Event, Plumber often tried to outwit the troll, and once succeeded in calming him down. However, since Wayoshi was actually Willy, it was not more of Plumber's wit than Wayoshi's acting. He was one of the few later present at a time when Wayoshi lost control of himself and stated his famous "THAT MAKES ME UPSET" quote to HK-47. HK threatened to blackmail Wayoshi by telling Porplemontage what had happened, and this and the feigned retirement of KPH led Wayoshi to hang up his Willy mantle, temporarily.

Plumber was present when Wayoshi later cracked and admitted he was Willy. Wayoshi was forced to resign, but Plumber forgave him for his disgusting behavior. Wayoshi later joined the Tenacious Three, replacing Bean. The three most often played cards together on the mozilla server.

Rising in the Ranks

Plumber enjoyed a brief period of ascension in the ranks of the wiki during the summer of 2007. When HK-47, also known as Sadaharu, became the new director of The 'Shroom, Plumber became the editor-in-chief. While it was tough due to the Shroom being delayed due to the "Wiki Drought", Plumber and HK eventually got the issues out. During the Drought, Plumber and many others became active on HK and Xzelion's Userpedia. Many comics were made, and Plumber later made the comic Troll Tragedies. It was rarely read due to its length, though those who did read it found it entertaining.

Later, Plumber helped undo Max2's spam on the User: Pokemon DP, and put one of his acts of vandalism as a quote on Userpedia. This made Max2 enraged, so he decided to blank his userpage and flame users. Plumber later blocked him, which sent Max2 into a rage where he spammed MarioWiki, consequently being blocked permanently by Cobold. Xzelion later extended Max2's ban on Userpedia to infinite, believing he had had enough chances.

After Sadaharu retired, Plumber became the third Director of The 'Shroom and head of the Tenacious Trio. Plumber changed many aspects of The 'Shroom during his time as the director, and promoted it heavily throughout the wiki. He was later promoted to the patroller rank once again by Xzelion.

His second time as a patroller was not very notable on the wiki. Shortly after his promotion he tricked Xzelion to changing his username to "D" for thirty seconds, and was surprised he was not reprimanded. On the chatroom he became an op who believed in moral justice and kicked people who broke the rules, even other operators or himself - something that was rarely done at that time. Pokemon DP later convinced Porplemontage to demote him from operator status after DP and Plumber had got into an argument about Maka.

Retirement

Plumber retired from the Super Mario Wiki due to his Fantendo responsibilities leading him to lose interest in the wiki. Most of the community he liked best had either moved to Userpedia or retired. This irritated Xzelion who said that Plumber was apparently being considered as a possible sysop if he had stayed. When hearing this, Plumber said that whoever would want to promote him should be declared insane and refused to return. The patroller rank was abolished shortly after Plumber retired, meaning that if he had waited a little while longer he would have become a sysop.

Upon learning this, Plumber told Xzelion he was cursed, and Xzelion (who was now retired as well), stated he shouldn't have retired. Plumber revealed that as a sysop the only things he would be able to do is delete things, which he can simply flag for deletion, become a chatroom op, which he finds boring, patrol the recent changes, which he finds much more boring, access the Sysop Boards, which he loathes and does not want to be a part of, and edit protected pages. Plumber concluded that protected pages aren't worth it, and asked Xzelion if Xzelion would have stayed if Plumber had retired.

Plumber continued to edit Userpedia, although infrequently. Shortly after Userpedia's Scribblewiki fall, Plumber decided to retire from Userpedia as well since nearly all of his original friends were either retired or severely inactive. In retirement Plumber was offered a position by SMB that made him "de facto sysop emeritus" in the hope that he would be more active. This included membership to the sysop boards, an exclusive interview in The 'Shroom, and an offer of renewed sysophood on Userpedia; Plumber reluctantly accepted it all.

After Xzelion returned and HK-47 was banned, Xzelion considered Plumber to become a Bureaucrat if he became active again. But Plumber declined and decided to run for Poll Chair against SMB in honor of HK and co-sponsor a proposal with Xzelion to eliminate proposals. The proposal was defeated after Walkazo galvanized opposition. He had 2257 change his name to Xzelion 2.0, after initially considering "Phoenix Rider 2.0", "Phoenix Rider 47", and "Great Gonzo 398". He also tried to find out the identity of Plumber690, some no-name troll. After a few days, 2257 came under other pressure, and Plumber (able to watch the events unfold in the sysop boards) decided to change his name back to spare 2257 pointless drama. Ironically, Plumber resigned during the election and nominated Walkazo for crathood. May she Rest In Peace.

Nowadays Plumber checks up on Fantendo, rarely edits MarioWik. He said he might return to MarioWiki to get 10,000 edits, because he finds having a small number, like over 9000, annoying, but not anytime soon.

Appearances

The Lost Adventures

Plumber appears late in the series and so far has only made a very small cameo. Frijjle and Bekam were inhabiting his summer villa, and he burst in on them, demanding who they were and why they were in his villa. Pretending they were tax collectors, Plumber, who was in debt for buying the villa, tried to flee, but was defeated in one blow.

Wiki's End

Plumber joins Steve's search party to search for 3dejong, but however once Steve is killed by Jakebastille, Plumber forms his own search party with HyperToad, DarkInsanity, MarioBros777, and Iceyoshi; later, Lil'Boo and TehBooKid join. Then Plumber's search party goes to Orangeline where Dry Bones Junior joins the party.

When Sysops Attack!

Plumber, Purple Yoshi, and Shroobario rescue Silver Mario from Max2 and Minimariolover10, who were about to attack him. After the two are defeated, Plumber gets Silver Mario to join their club, under the alias of "LoL iNtErNeT", in which users hack so other users are renamed "Rosy Buttcheeks". He uses this to change Steve's name to Rosy Buttcheeks who then summons YellowYoshi398 to find and track down the sender. YellowYoshi then arrives at the cafe where he is about to trace the message, but Plumber then jumps on his head and exclaims "GAH! I'M A LION!" and tries to escape but fails.

YellowYoshi figured out it was Plumber and was about to block him until Steve came and re-promoted Plumber to the Patroller rank. Plumber then returns to Xzelion, Silver Mario, and Master Crash's house, asking if Master Crash wanted to join his club. Instead of Master Crash being home, Xzelion and Eggbert were there instead. Eggbert warn the other users that Xzelion is being controlled by Agent Smokescreen. Xzelion decides to make his house their new Headquarters when Pokemon DP, Iggly, Arend, and RAP arrive on the scene to stop Xzelion. After being defeated, he and Xzelion make an escape to an alley where they were going to plan what they would do next. He was left behind when Xzelion was teleported to Mr. 101. Soon after, Plumber was found still in the alley by Steve and put onto the MarioWiki 8:15 plane to find the Silent Strikers's HQ. After the plane crash-lands onto an uncharted island, he is next seen escaping with Lario on Jack's boat after being chased by ChaosNinji and Paper Jorge.

Friday Night Live / The Tonight Show with Jorge Castillo

Plumber makes three brief cameos in both of Jorge's late night talk shows. In Friday Night Live, he asks Bean about how his date with Jorge went in Episode 5. In The Tonight Show, he makes a brief cameo in Episode 8 being harassed by the Derpy_Hooves bot. In Episode 9, he appears as an audience member.

Personality

While usually goofy and aloof, Plumber can be serious at times. He is often very random which gets on some users' nerves to a great extent that in fact he was so wild and unruly that he even lost his job as a Patroller. His randomness is most often expressed in the running gag of his father-son relationship with Bottle Wizzerd and his "GAR I'M A LION!" quote. Culture, particularly the manga One Piece has also influenced Plumber to insert certain words and phrases in his sentences. Examples of this include inserting the word SUPER (and to a lesser extent: GNARLY, MONDO, TUBULAR, GROOVY, PASSION, etc.) in his sentences, and ending sayings with the phrase "[Do it]... with a DON!" He also has the unique laugh of "yohohohofosfosfosfos," which is a combination of Brook and Dr. Hogback's laughs from One Piece.

Appearance

Plumber's sprites. If you're lucky they didn't load and your eyes are spared from seeing such a despairing image.

Plumber's sprites were based on a bearded version Jumpman's official artwork, though with the color scheme Mario had in Mario Bros. Due to this, Plumber looks like a bearded red and blue Waluigi with white disco shoes. Originally, Plumber's nose was red as a baby due to frequent sunburns, but however, in his adult life, he finally got it looking back to normal. Unfortunately, the Posh Master punched Plumber after losing a contest, which distorted its shape and turned it permanently red. Under his cap is a balding haircut, though sometimes he dons an embarrassingly big afro wig to hide it. Plumber also occasionally wears purple shades, a bowler hat, or a sombrero.

Relationships with Other Users

Xzelion

“Op for me?"
"..."
"Well?"
"I think I'll sysop Willy on Wheels instead.”

—Plumber & Xzelion

Plumber and Xzelion started out as friends, but their relationship had many ups-and-downs, even to the extreme of being enemies for a while. However, they later balanced out to good friends. Xzelion was the primary reason Plumber returned to the chatroom after his retirement.

HK

Plumber and Sadaharu (though Plumber prefers to call him HK) were involved in the Cheese Craze together, which made Plumber idolize HK. Plumber believed that more users (such as himself) could rise to the sysop rank and still be mellow and fun-loving instead of changing to strict people like Wayoshi. After HK was demoted, Plumber protested often, but was ignored. HK later talked to Plumber in the mozilla server when he was server killed. This led to a great strengthening of their friendship. When HK became director of The 'Shroom, he appointed Plumber as his Editor-in-Chief. Plumber still talks to him to this day.

Brother Bean

“I really want to say... I love you, Plumber. You are the bestest big brother ever :)"
"Shut up, I'm busy.”

—Plumber and Bean, Chatroom

Plumber's relationship with Beanbean has been the longest out of all the users on the site, due to the fact that they are siblings. Plumber and Bean are good friends, but like all siblings, fight sometimes. Plumber usually helps Bean out with wiki coding and the like. Bean now develops video games professionally, and Plumber cannot be more proud of him.

Lario

“EVIL IS NEVER THE ANSWER IT'S ALWAYS FRUIT!"
"Ttly."
"Srsly."
"No wai."
"Yes wai."
"Orly?"
"Yalry."
"Yalry?"
"Yeah Larry. Or Yeah Lario."”

—Plumber and Lario, Somewhere

Plumber befriended Mr. Guy, originally known as Lario, quickly because he reminded him of how Xzelion was when he first joined. The two became friends and some called Lario "Plumber 2" due to the fact that he repeated many of Plumber's mannerisms. However, the two never got to talk much for a significant time due to Lario losing his password often.

RAP

“Aafisodfjsodifjsoidj!"
"Aafisodfjsodifjsoidj? Ssodifjsodifjo!"
"Ssodifjsodifjo osidjfosdjfos!"
"Yoiudsoiudrsoie!”

—RAP and Plumber spamming, Chatroom

Plumber and RAP originally spammed together, but after RAP was promoted, RAP stopped spamming, which led to Plumber feeling lonely. However, they continued to role-play many things, and once role-played for four hours. When RAP was promoted again, however, their relationship diminished as RAP and Plumber stopped role-playing and now simply reminded themselves about old times well spent. RAP is notable for giving Plumber his commonly used nickname "PLUMs".

Papa Bottle Wizzerd

Plumber liked to say random things and role-play often, which one time led to him calling another user his father. Surprisingly, Bottle Wizzerd kept the joke, and the two often acted out humorous improvised plays together. The father-son act is one of the longest running jokes on the wiki.

DP

“I understand that this IS Bolton."
"Why, yes it is."
"YOU told me it was Espswitch."
"... ... ... It was a pun."”

—Plumber and DP acting out the Dead Parrot Sketch, Chatroom

Plumber became good friends with DP when he first joined, and was the user to urge him to join the chatroom. However, DP later got stricter, and the friendship failed. It was later revived when Plumber discovered they shared a liking of Monty Python, which led to the creation of "Monty Mole's Flying Fax Machine". Plumber also stated that his life's goal was to buy Pokemon DP a feathered cap on his wedding day. He later used this to prove that he was the real Plumber to Crypt Raider and expose his impostor. However, now they rarely interact.

Super-Yoshi

“THE ******* HELPED ME BLOW UP NEPTUNE! And it was fun.”

—Super-Yoshi, TWo

Plumber was introduced to Super-Yoshi by Bean, and brawled with him often. However, Plumber usually lost, due to Super-Yoshi's mastery of Mario. This led to Super-Yoshi and Plumber hating each other, because Plumber complained that he put the damage ratio to 2.0 and wouldn't turn off the items. However, somewhere along the line, the two became friends, and later brothers after Super-Yoshi introduced Plumber to Territory Wars Online. SY and Plumber usually play Territory Wars Online all the time together, and once destroyed the planet Neptune, not to be confused with the user, in a record-long battle that lasted until 4:30 A.M.

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I wonder if this guy had to say Cheese for the picture...”

— 3D, say cheese! $H33$3!

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