User talk:Super Mario RPG

Multiple accounts

Dear Super Mario RPG, This is your third account after CoolNintendo (talk) and Tetris (talk), and they have been blocked. Please continue to use this Super Mario RPG account from now on, as any further accounts that are created will also be blocked, including this one. If a problem arises with this account, please contact an administrator before creating another account, which can be done without logging in. You can also use Special:PasswordReset to get a new temporary password.

This is actually your fourth including Maciej the gaming pro (talk), though this was an unused one from four years ago. Please do not create multiple accounts, otherwise you will be temporarily blocked from editing entirely. If this is due to a forgotten password, make sure to add an email to your preferences so you're able to do a password reset, or contact an admin first before creating another account. Mario JC 21:38, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

okay. first two i forgot password to. third one i decided i didn't like the username (Tetris) Super Game Gear (talk) 21:41, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

You're allowed to request a rename three months after account creation. A new account shouldn't be made just to change your name; creating a username isn't something done with little thought, and since it's the name you settled with, it's expected that you stick with it at least for a while. Mario JC 22:03, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

Color

Our templates generally have some amount of color for ease and thematic purposes, i.e. red templates on Mario games, green on Yoshi, brown on DK, purple on Wario, et cetera, often with colored text to represent multiple characters. If you're worried about your eyes being strained, I'd recommend you do what I do and find ways to turn the screen brightness down lower than it goes by default, which is a Godsend for late working in the dark - I use Intel Graphics Command Center, but you'll need to figure out what you'd need depending on your device. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:18, October 17, 2023 (EDT)

The problem I have with colors and why I like the plain and simple look is because the use of colors is arbitrary, like the bright red on Famicom GP page. The coding for the navigation templates are not on the articles, but the coloring for the tables are. Super Game Gear (talk) 20:29, October 17, 2023 (EDT)

Other appearances

Hi, just to let you know, the "other appearances" sections are not for cameos in general. They're for cameos outside of the games this wiki covers. See relevant proposal.

Also I see you're grouping history sections by series instead of game. Nothing strongly against it for now but I'm curious, what's better about that format? Just want to know. ^S _o ^m _e ^t _h ⁱ _n ^g _o ⁿ _e ! 18:52, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up about Other appearances. Also, it's arbitrary, but I feel it's necessary if like other sections are too short (e.g. it's redundant if one section after another says "acts the same as in [game]" or "acts the same as in game"). I basically only prefer sections if they are large enough to warrant it, not like if they have 2-3 sentences that can be tied to like a similar release (e.g. if there's only three sentences describing Super Mario Galaxy 2's difference from Super Mario Galaxy, I think it's better off to put all the information together. Remakes tend to share an individual section as well, which I think you've seen around a wiki (like 64 / 64 DS), and it can reduce the redundancy of using sentences when having to reintroduce everything in like one or two sentences. Super Game Gear (talk) 18:58, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Ah, so reducing redundancy was the reason? Makes sense, really, I have seen those things before. Thanks for clarifying for me! ^S _o ^m _e ^t _h ⁱ _n ^g _o ⁿ _e ! 19:02, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

You're welcome. Unfortunately there's not really any black or white solution to the idea of reducing redundancy in wiki text, as 1-2 sentences could be redundant, or 6-7 sentences. Super Game Gear (talk) 19:14, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Trigger-happy info removal

Your recent mass excision of information from pages like Nintendo, iQue, and Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection on grounds that "it's not related to Mario enough" is pretty misguided. It leaves out historical and technical context that readers may benefit from knowing if they are willing to engage with Mario media specifically. You have reasoned that this much detail is comparable to listing entire in-depth biographies for the people involved in the Mario series, but I'd argue there's a crucial difference: these people are living, breathing beings whose existence isn't tied to a fictional character, meaning there is really only so much you can write about them on this site before the information starts becoming superfluous. With the aforementioned subjects, because they're inherently tied to Nintendo's game development history, they practically exist in symbiosis with Mario's franchise. Even then, I agree that some of the information may ramble in parts, but if you feel like you can reform some of the content to a degree you find reasonable, it's best to first initiate a discussion on the matter--the amount of content concerned here is large enough that it's nigh on guaranteed any attempts at handling it on your own will result in disagreements. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 09:41, November 27, 2023 (EST)

Well, I guess what I can say is that this is how we learn along the way. I've run into a few disagreements with my edits before, and I did not start a conflict with them. Super Game Gear (talk) 10:03, November 27, 2023 (EST)

Please stop making unconstructive edits on the Super Mario Wiki. This isn't a warning, and it's possible that you made a mistake by accident or without realizing it; this is simply a reminder for your information. If the action continues, then a warning will be issued. Thanks for reading and keep contributing. If you feel this reminder was undeserved, you may appeal it.

This is with regard to your removing of the Production section in the Virtual Boy article. To reiterate my message above: the history of an official Nintendo system that plays official Mario games can and should very much be within the interest of the wiki's readers. Phasing whole history sections out because they're not directly and obligately related to Mario makes for low-priority and unprofessional coverage. I am not saying you have to agree, but the changes you're making are drastic enough that they may require discussion beforehand. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 18:17, December 15, 2023 (EST)

Re: Headings

Now I checked the History section of Manual of Style, and found the guideline you told me, I will take your edits to know that I cannot add a History heading to a subject that made one appearance.

Also, I saw some articles with the description heading. Observing the edits you made with my previous edits, I took it as articles with little content to not need that 'Description' heading, if I am correct. Thank you for telling me. Derekblue1(talk) 01:00, November 29, 2023 (EST)

History section splits

Hey, can you pause on splitting history sections? It's evident that guidelines per MarioWiki:Article size are not sufficient enough for a judgement call for several page splits you've attempted. We're trying to figure out how to rework these article size guidelines (the 100k byte limit in the policy is clearly not a good guideline, which is made much clearer from these attempts) so we don't have a suboptimal layout of pages in the process. While several of these are technically 100k or reaching it, the resulting original pages will be too small to justify an article, where their navigational templates exceed the size of the page. You've also split off a featured article Chain Chomp, which is too much of a drastic change affecting a front page display that we're not comfortable enough moving forward with without prior discussion. At the time of this post, there are several pages where it's not exceeding the disputed 100k limit, such as Thwomp, Coin, Bob-omb, Shy Guy. Even those a little over 100k such as Koopa Troopa and Piranha Plant are probably not advisable for a split yet. Even for a page like Goomba, try to trim content where possible too. For instance, I think there's too many images in that article, so if I wanted to cut down images, I'd consider very carefully which image illustrates this character's history (such as an appearance showing a redesign of Goomba or a stylistic change in Goomba) and which ones are less important (Goomba simply reappearing in a direct sequel). It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 14:35, December 2, 2023 (EST)

I actually was not planning on doing any more, especially when I saw the removal of "History of Chain Chomp." However, I do agree that it gets redundant when splitting an article that's like 45k in size. Super Game Gear (talk) 14:42, December 2, 2023 (EST)

Completed MKT icons

Hello, Super Game Gear. Thank you for taking notice on the template I was working on, I completed typing all the names of the drivers, karts and gliders on my sandbox. I was thinking of Template:mkt-icon, but do you have a better suggestion for a template name? Derekblue1(talk) 07:34, December 9, 2023 (EST)

Template:mkt icon (without the dash) Super Game Gear (talk) 09:17, December 9, 2023 (EST)

Got it, here is the new template: Template:MKT icon. Derekblue1(talk) 09:39, December 9, 2023 (EST)

DK level pages

Approved by who? Was there a discussion on this I missed? 14:18, December 16, 2023 (EST)

Yes. Super Game Gear (talk)

I'm with 7 here, I think there should be a more community-wide discussion on this rather than one normal editor and one sysop. Especially on the world pages, the galleries don't function as well as the tables to on my monitor. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:25, December 16, 2023 (EST)

Well I'm nearly done with DKLIII and already completed restyling the first three DKC level pages and the first two DKL level pages. I've been doing this for several days. Super Game Gear (talk) 14:28, December 16, 2023 (EST)

I would hardly call a user talk page discussion between three users, one of whom not even being 100% on board with the idea, to be sufficient consensus to overhaul all of these pages. I, for one vastly prefer the table for the Bonus Levels over the simple bulleted list with the screenshots clumped to the right of it. I do think a gallery is better than a table for the enemy lists, though. 14:31, December 16, 2023 (EST)

I think that if you had objections, you should have voiced them sooner, because I'm nearly done with the overhaul. Consensus is a relative term, anyways. Super Game Gear (talk) 14:35, December 16, 2023 (EST)

I can't voice objections about something I don't know about. All of this has been happening behind my back. If there were a more high-profile discussion than three users on a user talk page, I would get it. 14:39, December 16, 2023 (EST)

Can you not take a hint? If someone is objecting to what you're doing, you should stop until the issue is settled. The linked discussion was not sufficient to me, and "I'm almost done already" is not a good reason to just keep going. 14:50, December 16, 2023 (EST)

I'm sorry about the confusion here. I think removing the tables should've happened for these lists. I find it a little odd that DKC articles have this layout while most other level pages use lists for that information, see Koopa Troopa Cave. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 15:39, December 16, 2023 (EST)

Yeah. It would require too much effort to undo all of it, and I just finished doing the DKL3 levels. I wanted to try something like a tabber for the Orang-utan Gang page, since it has five Bonus Levels (I did a quick edit; saw it wasn't working, and I know that tabber is currently only approved for infobox images). This would help retain the bullet list while alternating between the Bonus Level locations at the same time, so hopefully we can do that at some point. Super Game Gear (talk) 15:44, December 16, 2023 (EST)

Orangu-tan Gang is a good example of why I don't like using the bulleted lists over tables for the Bonus Levels. The tables provide a nice visual aid for the reader, showing them an image of the location of a collectible or the Bonus Level in addition to a description of how to get there or whatnot. I honestly have no idea why those Mario levels don't do this already. It's helpful, so railing against them is honestly baffling to me. Also, you can avoid the "too much effort" issue by having a more high-profile, community-wide discussion (or a proposal) before making such large, widespread changes like this. 16:02, December 16, 2023 (EST)

How the galleries are done in Orangu-tan Gang is suboptimal, that's why it it's hard to tell immediately what the bonus levels are. I think putting the secret levels in an accompanying gallery like green stars, with images labeling the levels, would work better. Table also works too, though. As for tabber, I don't really like the use of it on the wiki and I would eventually make a proposal to remove these all together, but the proposal was passed iirc too recently. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 16:09, December 16, 2023 (EST)

I'm going to give something on Orang-utan Gang's Bonus Levels section a try. I feel there's not enough justification for tables in the level article since it's mostly just parsed text. Super Game Gear (talk) 16:17, December 16, 2023 (EST)

The tables looking better and being better for organization is justification enough. Having the images crammed in a gallery below the bulleted list or off to the right just looks needlessly worse to me than simply having the table with the images neatly being paired with the descriptions. That goes for the KONG letters too - how is having the screenshot of the K off to the right, the O and the N in the gallery at the bottom of the page, and the G tucked away in the Bonus Level gallery better than just having a table with all of the screenshots neatly in place? I simply don't understand how that's an improvement. 16:34, December 16, 2023 (EST)

Agreed with 7feetunder. If an item/bonus room/etc. has a screenshot as a visual aid, a table is the best way to pair them together.
Game Gear, respectfully, your recent edits have largely felt like changing things just for the sake of change. Heed the advice given so far and discuss all of these things beforehand with the community at large. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 16:42, December 16, 2023 (EST)