Category talk:Aliens

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Why Don't we make a sub-section for SMRPG bosses? Max2 (talk)

I don't think they are really aliens. Pixl Power

Moon Cleft

Should the Moon Cleft be added? it does live on the moon in space in PM2. Isyou 19:05, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

You can also find it in The Pit of 100 Trials too though. -- Sir Grodus

Oh. Well then, what about that gray variety of the X thingys? I dont think they are in the pit of 100 trials, and there on the moon. Isyou 19:08, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, could probably add them. -- Sir Grodus

Super Mario Galaxy characters

Some characters in Mario Galaxy and Mario Galaxy 2 are aliens. Examples are Dino Piranha and Major Burrows. Why aren't they in this catagory?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tails777 (talk).

Well, you can just add them. The alien definition is very broad, and the characters fit the definition. If someone doesn't agree, then discuss with him or her. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:11, 24 February 2011 (EST)

Too broad

I think this category should be for things from outer space only, rather than space plus all the non-Mushroom World/Earth dimensions. People/creatures from Subcon and Smithy's Factory have nothing to do with each other or with actual "space aliens" other than the fact they all originate from somewhere other than MW/E; seeing as Subcon and Smithy stuff can both be navigated with templates and categories of their own, all they're really doing here is cluttering up the only way people can find all the space aliens. Plus, if these two groups of extradimensional beings are considered "aliens", almost the entire cast of Super Paper Mario should be here too for consistency's sake - but for navigation's sake, I say we go the other way and remove the non-space aliens instead. If no one opposes in the next couple days, I'm going to do it (and if someone opposes and we can't talk it out, I'll make a TPP, but I'm hoping it won't get dragged out like that: we're only really talking about the semantics of the word "alien" here, after all). - Walkazo 11:37, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, I think so too. It would have a ton of things on it if it included all non-Mushroom World characters. Pixl Power

Super Mario Galaxy

Okay, so, a lot of Super Mario Galaxy stuff is in this category. While I understand why, it seems kinda odd to say these bees are aliens, this orca is an alien, these wood people are aliens... Blinker (talk) 11:40, March 9, 2022 (EST)

Agreed. Perhaps it can be trimmed to the subjects/groups explicitly called aliens, like Ota Rock? LinkTheLefty (talk) 20:35, April 16, 2022 (EDT)

Don't forget the signposts and the color variants of the otherwise-Earthly Chomp! Given the Galaxy duology's plots involve Bowser invading outer space, the alien status of much of the new enemies may be a bit ambiguous. The Octoombas, Roctos, and their ilk can definitely be considered aliens, due to their likely basis in the cephalopod-like depiction of aliens commonly seen in Japanese media. ShootingStar7X (talk) 22:44, September 28, 2022 (EDT)

This always bugged me. Ones like the Octo Army, Topman Tribe, Mandibug Clan, and even the Montys to an extent make sense, but MANY of the things on here are otherwise just very non-alien variants of pre-existing things. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:55, September 28, 2022 (EDT)

Do you think making this a subcategory of Category:Super Mario Galaxy species, Category:Super Mario Galaxy enemies, etc. could help? While these categories also include entities from Mario's planet, you could technically consider them "aliens" to the galaxies they're visiting... SolemnStormcloud (talk) 14:41, October 7, 2023 (EDT)

That still feels a bit too "Category:creatures that appear in planets other than Earth", I think. Blinker (talk) 10:00, October 23, 2023 (EDT)

Even those you mention, they might technically fit the definition, since they are first appeared in the Galaxy games, and aren't directly based on any preexisting enemy, but consider Clampy. It also first appeared in Galaxy, and wasn't directly based on any preexisting enemy, and it has since become a recurring enemy. It doesn't have the aliens category. Bat, on the other hand, was forgotten for around 13 years and has the aliens category, but has since appeared in the movie, in not-space. That's the thing, most of these things could just... appear in a new game. And then it would be awkward to keep calling them aliens. And I think, if all that it takes for one of these to stop belonging in the category is for it to reappear, then maybe it shouldn't be here in the first place. Blinker (talk) 18:33, December 30, 2023 (EST)

Agh! Dangit. I just realized I said this should be a subcategory of Category:Super Mario Galaxy species, Category:Super Mario Galaxy enemies, and the like, when I meant to say those categories should be subcategories of this. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 12:05, November 16, 2023 (EST)

Fellow Earthlings of the Super Mario Wiki, I hereby pose two questions: if humans colonized Mars and began a new civilization there, would any of their offspring born and raised there be considered "aliens" by us? And, what if a supposed alien moves to Earth, starts a new life, and naturalizes itself here? Whatever your answer is to this dumbass inquiry could probably decide which Mario characters we'd consider to be aliens on this wiki. My proposition is: if a Mario enemy is derived from an established enemy, but only appears in a setting outside of Mario's planet, then it's an alien; if, on the other hand, an enemy is introduced in that "outer" setting, but later games and media establish it to be endemic to Mario's planet, then it's not an alien any more. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:12, December 30, 2023 (EST)

That sounds like a good idea, but what articles would it affect? Besides the aforementioned Clampy and bat, I can think of the Fizzlit in Super Mario 3D World and the Prickly Piranha Plant as a temporary transformation of the Piranha Plant in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Also, why did I read your comment in my head with Orbulon's voice? SolemnStormcloud (talk) 12:35, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Viruses

How can a germ enemy be an alien? I haven't seen see them in another planet. 31.104.129.126 16:24, January 1, 2025 (EST)

A UFO shows up at the end of Dr. Mario to beam up the viruses. If that's too speculative, they show up in the Galaxy themed space levels of Dr. Mario World. Technetium (talk) 16:28, January 1, 2025 (EST)

Really? 31.104.129.126 17:08, January 1, 2025 (EST)

Can you stop asking these types of questions before you read the articles? Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 17:09, January 1, 2025 (EST)

are the questions I ask sometimes irritating? 31.104.129.126 17:21, January 1, 2025 (EST)

If the answers to your questions are easily answered by reading sections in articles that explain your questions beforehand, then yes. I'm not saying we shouldn't help you answer concerns you have but put some effort yourself for the answers rather than have other editors spoonfeed them to you. Xiahou Ba^{(the Nasty Warrior)} 17:39, January 1, 2025 (EST)

Okay then.... 31.104.129.126 17:46, January 1, 2025 (EST)

Melosphere

If melospheres are aliens, which planet do they live on or where are they located? 148.252.144.160 02:17, January 18, 2025 (EST)

I have no idea what a melosphere is. 98.235.155.81 11:47, January 19, 2025 (EST)

Melospheres are amphibian-like creatures that appear on the Melodic Gardens planet in Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope. Sparks (talk) 11:52, January 19, 2025 (EST)

Thanks for your help! 98.235.155.81 11:55, January 19, 2025 (EST)

Weapon World

Why is Weapon World considered a separate dimension here? It's never confirmed to be one. Plus, Exor descends from the sky, not through a portal or anything. Also worth noting that it's not called a dimension on its article anymore. Technetium (talk) 12:44, April 19, 2025 (EDT)

I decided to just replace it with Concordia. That said...should we consider the Smithy Gang aliens then? Maybe that's more of a proposal thing...hmm. Technetium (talk) 13:50, April 26, 2025 (EDT)

The Nintendo Player's Guide does in fact call Exor ("Smithy" according to them) an alien: "The sword, who calls himself Smithy, vows world conquest! Questions rush into Mario's head. Who is this awesome alien?" However, I'm going to close this discussion and make a proposal involving this category as a whole. Whether the Smithy Gang should count as aliens will be included in it. I just thought it would be easier to get this piece of evidence down first awhile. Technetium (talk) 17:17, April 26, 2025 (EDT)

Deciding which subjects belong in this category

This talk page proposal has already been settled. Please do not edit this section or its subsections. If you wish to discuss the article, please do so in a new section below the proposal.

Currently, this category is a bit of a mess. Many of the subjects listed might not actually be aliens according to the category's definitions, and other subjects that may fit aren't included. This poll proposal aims to sort things out. Subjects are sorted into broader groups which make up the voting options. I was originally going to list every page in each category, but I decided not to list them for groups currently in the category, since well, they're right there.

Much of this category consists of subjects from Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2. This has led to discussion in the past on if the category is too broad because of them. I suggest reading up on past discussions above on this talk page, as this proposal will be long enough as is (and because I'm not even so sure on what to do with them myself at the moment).

Super Paper Mario is a strange case that frankly gives me a headache. The characters and enemies in Chapter 4 are very clearly aliens, but the issue is, they're aliens in what is (presumedly) a different dimension. They shouldn't be in this category then...but again, they're some of the most stereotypical aliens on here, and it could seem strange for them to not be included. I'm honestly completely torn on what to do with them. To be clear, I don't think the category's definition should be changed.

For a long time on this wiki, Weapon World was considered to be a separate dimension. As such, the members of the Smithy Gang were not considered aliens. However, it's not actually confirmed that it's a different dimension, and could very well be another planet in Mario's universe. Evidence of this is that Exor falls from the sky and pierces the Star Road (which is in space in Mario's dimension). Sure, there's the portal, but a portal doesn't have to be used for dimensional travel, and Exor clearly didn't use it to get to Earth if he's the one producing it. Exor is also explicitly called an alien in the Player's Guide (see Weapon World discussion above). So really, the question is more so whether the Smithy Gang is from another planet or another dimension. That said, not all members of the Smithy Gang are from the Weapon World, so unfortunately, Category:Smithy Gang can't simply be turned into a subcategory of Aliens.

Show Smithy Gang members

• Aero
• Ameboid
• Axem Rangers and members
• Bad Adder
• Bodyguard
• Boomer (Super Mario RPG)
• Bowyer
• Claymorton
• Clerk
• Cloaker
• Count Down
• Director
• Domino
• Doppel
• Drill Bit
• Exor
• Factory Chief
• Glum Reaper
• Gunyolk
• High Boo
• Hippopo
• Jabit
• Machine Made
• Mad Adder
• Mad Mallet
• Manager
• Ninja (enemy)
• Pounder
• Poundette
• Puppox
• Shymore
• Shyper
• Smelter
• Smithy
• Speardovich
• Springer
• The Blade

Kirby brings in the question of how to handle other franchises. The way I see it, we should view other franchises from the lens of said franchise. So, are Kirby and other Planet Popstar residents aliens? I'd say no. Planet Popstar, being the main location of the series, is the "Earth" equivalent in a way. Any subjects not from Popstar (and presumedly, not in a separate dimension from Popstar, following the category's definition) would be considered aliens. Thankfully, all of the Kirby subjects currently in this category are from Planet Popstar, making voting options much simpler.

Pikmin is where things really get complicated, and to account for this, there are two separate voting options for it. One is for Olimar (and the other captains, assuming some aren't currently included), and the other is for the Pikmin themselves and enemies (Bulborbs are the only ones currently in this category, but I assume there are other Assist Trophies missing). If we look at Pikmin from an in-universe perspective, as we did for Kirby, Captain Olimar wouldn't be an alien, but the wildlife of PNF-404 (the main setting of the series) would be aliens. That is because the captains are the main characters you play as, and through them, you are exploring an alien planet. However, PNF-404 is also heavily implied to be Earth. In that case, the roles would be reversed: the wildlife wouldn't be aliens, but the captains would be. Because the argument could exist for both or neither being aliens, I've made two separate voting questions.

Finally, there are likely many missing aliens from Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope. As any such subjects will explicitly be from other planets, their inclusion isn't needed in this proposal.

If there are any subjects I missed, or any subjects from a specific grouping that deserve individual attention, let me know in the comments. I would also be interested in discussing how we should handle non-Mario media in general here.

Proposer: Technetium (talk)

Are the Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 subjects aliens?

Only specific species 2-0-5
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes

1. Drake Inferno (talk) Octoombas are called aliens in Galaxy by a Toad, and most of the rest of Bowser's new allies are both treated as alien creatures associated with space, and presented as an invading force.
2. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - The new guys in this game are treated as beings from other galaxies, seems rather cut-and-dry. Yes, some of them bear resemblance to real animals and recurring creatures in the series, but that's hardly a novel idea.

No

Only species like Topmen, Octogoombas, Mandibugs (see comments)

1. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
2. Blinker (talk) Per proposal.
3. Camwoodstock (talk) Fine with us. Per proposal.
4. Pseudo (talk) Per proposal. It gets too messy otherwise — some kind of deliberation on which specific articles should stay in the category would be appreciated though.
5. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

Are the Super Paper Mario subjects aliens?

Yes 5-0
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes

1. Camwoodstock (talk) We think this makes sense. Even if the space of Chapter 4 is technically their "home", said "home" is extremely aliens-themed.
2. Drake Inferno (talk) Nearly all creatures in Chapter 4 are textually explicitly called aliens, so it's about as clear as they come.
3. Blinker (talk) Per all.
4. Pseudo (talk) They're in a futuristic space setting and are portrayed as alien to Mario, that's enough for me.
5. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

No

Are the listed Smithy Gang members aliens?

Yes 6-0
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes

1. Technetium (talk) Per proposal.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) They're invaders from the Weapon World. Pretty straight-forward.
3. Drake Inferno (talk) Same reasoning as Camwoodstock. They're basically presented as alien invaders from another world, regardless of what "world" specifically means here.
4. Blinker (talk) Per proposal.
5. Pseudo (talk) Like the Super Paper Mario characters, these guys are treated as alien to Mario, and alien invaders more generally, regardless of whether they're from another planet or another dimension.
6. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

No

Are the Kirby subjects aliens?

Yes 5-3
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes

1. Hewer (talk) Most of our Kirby page is about his appearances in Smash, and those games frequently identify Kirby as an alien like it's just a fact about the character. In addition to him directly being called "an extraterrestrial" or "a space alien", his bios and trophy descriptions often identify his origin of Popstar as a "distant" or "far off" planet (which is also something that the Kirby series itself does, as far back as the manual for the original Kirby's Dream Land describing the not-yet-named Popstar as "a tiny star somewhere far, far away from earth"). And for what it's worth, Fox's Classic Mode route in Ultimate, which is themed around space-related characters, features Meta Knight. So I think it makes sense to say that, from the perspective of Mario, Kirby is an alien.
2. Salmancer (talk) Per Hewer. Also, Kirby is placed in direct parallel with a Luma in Rosalina's reveal trailer for Super Smash Bros. for . And Lumas are aliens!
3. Pseudo (talk) While not commonly emphasized in the Kirby series itself, considering Pop Star to be a faraway planet seems to be a significant recurring piece of the series' marketing, especially in crossover contexts (the most relevant contexts for this wiki), so I think that this just about qualifies.
4. Sorbetti (talk) Per all.
5. Power Flotzo (talk) Per Hewer.

No

1. Technetium (talk) Per proposal.
2. Camwoodstock (talk) Sure, Planet Popstar is, in a literal sense, another planet, but Kirby isn't really an "alien" as far as the narrative of the games is concerned. Sure, there's Shiver Star to serve as Earth, but it's not like there's anyone we know was expressly from there.
3. Blinker (talk) Per all.

Is Captain Olimar an alien?

Yes 5-2
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT Extended to June 14, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes

1. PopitTart (talk) By the converse of my Pikmin vote, I argue that Captain Olimar is an alien in the Super Mario series. In his few Mario-related appearances, he's always clad in his full spacesuit getup, and acts as though he's landed on yet another mysterious alien planet. In the case of Smash Bros, he literally does land in the Hocotate Ship on screen at the start of a match.
2. Pseudo (talk) From what I've seen, he's treated as a strange alien explorer, even if he's the perspective character.
3. Sorbetti (talk) Per all.
4. Power Flotzo (talk) Per PopitTart.
5. Salmancer (talk) Pikmin marketing definitely leans toward Olimar not having the perspective of someone from Earth, which makes him more alien than non-alien. See the Hey! PIKMIN Lift-Off Trailer: "Let's see what he says about this camera. Wait, he calls it a Smile Detector? What about this ring? An Attitude Adjuster? Olimar must have a very different perspective on these treasures than we do". It is my understanding that Olimar's lack of knowledge about human objects is from Pikmin 2, and I know Alph & his crew have similar offbeat interpretations on fruit in Pikmin 3. In this way, Olimar is following alien tropes that we see repeated in definite aliens like Orbulon.

No

1. Camwoodstock (talk) By the narrative of Pikmin games, the captains are our protagonists, and serve as the point of view for the series; meanwhile, the xenofauna of PNF-404 is, well, xenofauna. By the same token as Kirby, it doesn't make much sense to declare him an alien; as far as his own series is concerned, Olimar is a native of the series' "home planet", like Kirby is.
2. Blinker (talk) Per Camwoodstock.

Are the Pikmin, as well as Bulborbs (and other Pikmin enemies), aliens?

Yes 5-1
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Yes

1. Camwoodstock (talk) We realize this may be contentious, but in contrast to Olimar, PNF-404 is seen as alien by the narrative of the Pikmin series. Sure, yes, PNF-404 is Earth, so in a literal sense, they are not aliens, but like. They're "not aliens" in a very "erm, actually" sense; if you have to explain Pikmin lore to someone, and then tell them to disregard the point of view of the series as a whole, in order to justify Pikmin not being deemed "aliens" for the sake of a wiki category, it's probably not a very compelling reason. As for why Pikmin keep appearing on Earth in cameos... Well, yeah, that's kind of their thing. Nintendo loves to put Pikmin just about anywhere and everywhere, without much consideration for the "lore" of PNF-404 secretly being Earth; we don't think them inexplicably appearing in games like Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour should be taken as proof that they "aren't aliens", as Nintendo has made it very clear they're willing to play fast and loose with "PNF-404 as Earth" in pursuit of either cameos, or spinoffs; hi, Pikmin Bloom.
2. Blinker (talk) Per Camwoodstock.
3. Pseudo (talk) Despite me also voting for Olimar as an alien, this makes sense to me too—because these are also emphasized as strange and alien creatures in and out of the Pikmin franchise.
4. Sorbetti (talk) Per all.
5. Power Flotzo (talk) Per all.

No

1. PopitTart (talk) I argue that, per the perspective of the Super Mario franchise, Pikmin are not aliens. Yes, they are from PNF-404/Earth in their own franchise, which is definitely an Alien Planet. As far as Mario is concerned though, They simply exist in the Mushroom Kingdom. They sprout from the ground and work together to carry objects, just as though they were still home on PNF-404. And if they're home, are they really aliens?

Comments (I'm not saying they're aliens, but they're aliens)

. I'm definitely of the take that what's considered "alien" should be considered mainly in terms of the following: Are they called aliens (obviously), is their status as "of another world" a salient part of them rather than an aspect of the setting, and are they framed in terms of invasion and/or "otherness"? The Concordians are definitely of another world, but that's not really core to what they are, and they aren't emphasized as a strange, otherworldly life form. Whereas even though Smithy's forces aren't strictly called aliens in-game as far as I can tell, their presentation is entirely one of otherworldly, invasive force. Drake Inferno (talk)

...This is the comments section. Did you mean to vote in the Pikmin poll? :o ~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) 16:06, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

I don't think the subjects from Galaxy can really be categorized as a whole like that. On one hand, classifying Honeybee and Guppy, which are just regular animals, as aliens is a little odd, especially when Clampy and Bat also made their debut in these games. But then you have Octoomba (stereotypical cephalopod aliens) and Topman (basically a top-shaped UFO with eyes), and removing them from the category doesn't seem right either. Blinker (talk) 16:46, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

I can add a third voting option to the Galaxy poll if people are interested. Technetium (talk) 16:53, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

I'd be up to it! There are variants of classic Super Mario enemies such as the Homing Chomp, Gold Chomp, Spiny Piranha Plant, and Prickly Piranha Plant that don't differ too much from their "Earthly" counterparts and there isn't much else to support an alien origin for them besides appearing exclusively in the Galaxy duology. — SolemnStormcloud (talk) 17:03, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

The Mandibug Clan and Undergrunts are also treated as aliens; the latter often appear in Topman settlements, even. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:57, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

Thanks for letting me know, I'll include those in the new voting option. Technetium (talk) 18:01, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

Honestly, the Galaxy subjects feel like they could be their own poll proposal. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:05, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

If you don't mind, could you go into a little more detail on how they're treated as aliens? Blinker (talk) 18:05, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

They're treated as additional factions with their own distinct hierarchies and leaders allied to Bowser's army that have never appeared before or since, in the exact same way as the Octo-Army and Topman Tribe? You often see Montys in UFOs in Topman areas, even. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:13, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

In other words, they only appear in the Galaxy games, therefore they're aliens? Isn't that the kind of logic that is being argued against in the first place? As for Montys appearing in UFOs alongside the Topman enemies...I guess that's one way to look at it, but I don't think that means much in the game where Bowser owns a UFO of his own? Besides, they appear in the space-themed game and are based on an enemy that appears aboard ships. Of course they'd be found in spaceships and/or UFOs. Blinker (talk) 18:52, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

No? The point moreso is they appear to have specific home bases and such in space separate from Bowser's own army, not just that they're only in the space game. I wouldn't call Ray an alien, for example. And Spoing and co have Tarantox going for them, which is pretty clearly alien. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:07, May 24, 2025 (EDT)

About Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope - is it more of a Galaxy situation with them, where only some of the enemies actually appear alien-like, despite everything technically being on different planets? Technetium (talk) 13:59, May 25, 2025 (EDT)