Talk:Big Bully

(First topic)

What's the proof that Big Bully is a character, and not a species? Two Big Bullies can appear at one time in Lethal Lava Land. -- Son of Suns

They can? I've only ever seen one at once... - User: Ultimatetoad

Beat the three regular Bullies on the island. A Big Bully will fall down. However, the first Big Bully (the one fought for the first power star) will still be on his island. -- Son of Suns

Ohhhhhhh. I stand corrected... - User: Ultimatetoad

That doesn't mean there's 2! that's just a glitch!

The programmers could have easily removed one of the Bullies - it's not a glitch. -- Son of Suns

yes they appear to be very much a species. Luigibros2

Focus

Considering the Japanese name is "Boss" Donketsu rather than "Kyodai/Deka" Donketsu and we have now split the "Boss" Teresa from standard run-of-the-mill Big Boos, I think it'd make the most sense to have this article be about "the Big Bully" rather than any large Bully. And yes, it appears in two places at once... while that Big Boo appears in three, so that's not much of an issue. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:20, October 20, 2024 (EDT)

So, just removing Mario Maker info, basically? Blinker (talk) 16:58, October 20, 2024 (EDT)

And the treating Prince Bully as a member of this. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:01, October 20, 2024 (EDT)

Eh. He's a boss, and he's a Bully. I mean, if being big is enough to treat the Yoshi's Island bosses as members of the respective "big X" species... Blinker (talk) 17:09, October 20, 2024 (EDT)

Generally speaking, the use of "boss" in Japanese is reserved for "individual" ones more, like Petey Piranha (who has also been shown in duplicate once or twice, yet is still treated as a singular being). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:17, October 20, 2024 (EDT)

Hm, I guess that's fair. Although... Blinker (talk) 06:55, October 21, 2024 (EDT)

My stance has pretty much always been to consider the Yoshi's Island bosses their own thing, because the magic doesn't just make them big, but they tend to gain features that distinguish them from their normal selves. I can take or leave Big Bully since their only major appearance as an actual regular enemy is in Super Mario Maker. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:32, October 21, 2024 (EDT)

Decide the fate of this page

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Sunday, April 27, 2025, 03:14 GMT

This proposal is based on the discussion above. We are going to decide the fate of this page through several options. Choose the one you like best. In my case, I'll choose multiple options because I don't have it clear.

In case anyone has any doubts, if the page is split or rename, the mention of SM3DW will remain on both pages since both characters fulfill a similar role, being characters in charge of Bullys and being Big.

Remember that all your votes count equally, whether it is your first choice or your third.

Proposer: Sorbetti (talk)
Deadline: May 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Split Big Bully (character) and keep Big Bully (species) page (Support)

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per.
2. Rykitu (talk) This is the option I like best.

Delete the SMM2 info and treat the page as character (Support)

1. Sorbetti (talk) Per.
2. LadySophie17 (talk) As far as I know, the "Big" Bullies in Super Mario Maker 2 are never explicitly named as such, and are just one of the dozens of enemies that can be made larger with the Super Mushroom. We don't have pages for Big Goombud, Big Skipsqueak or other "Big" enemies unique to this series, so this can simply be covered in the Bully page.
3. Nelsonic (talk) Per the above vote.
4. EvieMaybe (talk) per Sophie
5. ThePowerPlayer (talk) Per Sophie.
6. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) The current setup is akin to treating Big Bob-omb as the same as this Big Bob-omb due to the "Boss" LoO name.
7. Kirby the Formling (talk) Per all
8. Blinker (talk) Per LadySophie17.
9. Arend (talk) Per the fact that Big Bully's Japanese name is Boss Donketsu as opposed to Deka Donketsu or Biggu Donketsu, implying that it's a boss character not unlike Wiggler (Super Mario Sunshine)
10. FanOfYoshi (talk) URG! URG! (Per all.)

Do nothing (Oppose)

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) If the "Kodeka" Goombrat can remain, so can the "Boss" Bully.

Bully Comments

Too many options! Renaming this page was never a point of discussion above, and it goes against our naming conventions because Boss Bully is an entirely Japanese name. That part is sure to not pass due to that, so I recommend removing those as options to reduce a bit of the clutter in this proposal. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 20:18, April 21, 2025 (EDT)

@LadySophie17: The current standard is to not create pages for "Big" variants that only appear in Mario Maker, but to cover them if a page already exists for another reason. For instance, look at Mega Wiggler or Big Lava Bubble. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 05:53, April 22, 2025 (EDT)

Yes, that is essentially what I said. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 06:08, April 22, 2025 (EDT)

You said to cover it in the regular Bully page, whereas the big Lava Bubble information (for example) is covered on the Big Lava Bubble page. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:04, April 22, 2025 (EDT)

Because we do have a page for the enemy species called Big Lava Bubbles. Once this proposal passes, there will not be a page for big Bullies anymore, meaning Maker info should just go in regular Bully's page. — Lady Sophie ^(T|C) 12:20, April 22, 2025 (EDT)

So what exactly makes this more of a "character" than Chill Bully, which is currently considered its unique-enemy variant? Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. even mentions Boss Donketsu in its profile on page 85 (for some reason, the English version on page 86 refers to "regular Bullies" instead). The winning option will break up the infobox flow. Also consider there's a non-zero possibility of Big Bully's English namer being privy to its original internal name. And Mario Kart World apparently has the return of (Big?) Bullies and Chill Bullies, so this proposal's timing probably isn't the best. LinkTheLefty (talk) 15:09, April 26, 2025 (EDT)

Not quite. Recall that Mario Kart DS skipped Chill Bully in favor of making Chief Chilly the icy counterpart to Big Bully, even having them be about the same size in that game. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:14, April 26, 2025 (EDT)