MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Friday, November 22nd, 01:58 GMT

Proposals can be new features, the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. Voting periods last for one or two weeks. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!"). All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
2. Only autoconfirmed users may create or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. While only autoconfirmed users can comment on proposals, anyone is free to comment on talk page proposals.
3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) two weeks after voting starts (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is two weeks later on Monday, August 15, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
5. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
6. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote(s) at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the wiki staff.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
7. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
8. A proposal cannot contradict an already ongoing proposal or overturn the decision of a previous proposal that concluded less than four weeks (28 days) ago.
9. If one week before a proposal's initial deadline, the first place option is ahead of the second place option by eight or more votes and the first place option has at least 80% approval, then the proposal concludes early. Wiki staff may tag a proposal with "Do not close early" at any time to prevent an early close, if needed.
   • Use {{proposal check|early=yes}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
10. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
11. If a proposal reaches its deadline and there is a tie for first place, then the proposal is extended for another week.
12. If a proposal reaches its deadline and the first place option is ahead of the second place option by three or more votes, then the first place option must have over 50% approval to win. If the margin is only one or two votes, then the first place option must have at least 60% approval to win. If the required approval threshold is not met, then the proposal is extended for another week.
    • Use {{proposal check}} to automate this calculation; see the template page for usage instructions and examples.
13. Proposals can be extended a maximum of three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, then the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks (at the earliest).
14. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
15. If the wiki staff deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
16. Proposals can only be rewritten or canceled by their proposer within the first four days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be canceled by a staff member at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
17. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting, or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
18. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Staff changes are discussed internally and handled by the bureaucrats.
19. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
20. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

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===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 14 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "November 22, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as for proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by the additional rules below:
3. The talk page proposal must pertain to the subject page of the talk page it is posted on.
4. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Decide whether to create articles for Ashita ni Nattara and Banana Tengoku and/or include them on List of Donkey Kong Country (television series) songs (discuss) Deadline: November 23, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Determine how to handle the Tattle Log images from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Nintendo Switch) (discuss) Deadline: November 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge False Character and the Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams to List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses (discuss) Deadline: December 2, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)

^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles, Super Mario Run, and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

Create new sections for gallery pages to cover "unused/pre-release/prototype/etc." graphics separate from the ones that appear in the finalized games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 2, 2024)

Add film and television ratings to Template:Ratings, TheUndescribableGhost (ended October 1, 2024)

Use the classic and classic-link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)

Split articles for the alternate-named reskins from All Night Nippon: Super Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 3, 2024)

Clarify coverage of the Super Smash Bros. series, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended October 17, 2024)

Remove all subpage and redirect links from all navigational templates, JanMisali (ended October 31, 2024)

Prioritize MESEN/NEStopia palette for NES sprites and screenshots, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended November 3, 2024)

Stop considering reused voice clips as references (usually), Waluigi Time (ended November 8, 2024)

Allow English names from closed captions, Koopa con Carne (ended November 12, 2024)

^ NOTE: A number of names coming from closed captions are listed here.

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)

Split Banana Peel from Banana, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2024)

Merge Spiked Thwomp with Thwomp, Blinker (ended November 2, 2024)

Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)

Expand and rename List of characters by game to List of characters by first appearance, Hewer (ended November 20, 2024)

Unimplemented proposals

#	Proposal	User	Date
1	Create boss level articles for Donkey Kong Country and Donkey Kong Land series	Aokage (talk)	January 3, 2015
2	Create a template for the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door badge drop rates	Lord Bowser (talk)	August 17, 2016
3	Clean up species categories to only include non-hostile species	Niiue (talk)	August 8, 2017
4	Clean up Category:Artifacts	Niiue (talk)	August 22, 2017
5	Trim down Category:Fire Creatures and Category:Ice Creatures	Doc von Schmeltwick (talk)	September 7, 2017
6	Expand the Behemoth King article	Owencrazyboy9 (talk)	December 23, 2017
7	Create articles on the Remix 10 secret courses in Super Mario Run	Time Turner (talk)	December 26, 2017
8	Add anchor links—and redirects—to Power Moon lists (view progress)	Super Radio (talk)	December 31, 2017
9	Create articles for the Wario: Master of Disguise episodes	DKPetey99 (talk)	January 23, 2018
10	Create articles for the Mario Party 4 hosts	Tails777 (talk)	February 11, 2018
11	Merge the specified Super Smash Bros. subjects	Time Turner (talk)	April 9, 2018
12	Split Dash Mushroom and Golden Dash Mushroom from Mushroom and Golden Mushroom, respectively	Toadette the Achiever (talk)	July 3, 2018

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

None at the moment.

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Change the way that recurring events in the Mario & Sonic series are handled

So, now that I've finished with the sponsors I've decided to move onto the Mario & Sonic series, starting with filling in some of the missing events. However, at the moment there isn't really much coverage of the series, and there's a bit of an issue with the way that some of the events are handled. Currently, events which have the same or very similar names are all listed on the same page, despite the fact that they differ significantly between games, and not only between the Wii/Wii U and DS/3DS versions. For example, the Trampoline event in the first DS game required certain patterns to be drawn with the stylus to perform various moves, whereas in the 2012 3DS game moves are performed automatically and the player must use the circle pad to keep their character within a certain area. This means that the infoboxes are overloaded with information and that the articles are just full of lots and lots of headers (Archery (event) is an example of this, and it still has a considerable amount of information missing). Therefore, I'm proposing that we split each game's version of the event into its own unique article, which only covers the event's appearance in the one game. Only the controls, missions, playable characters, etc. for one version of the event would be included on the page, with the identifier specifying the game if it only appears in one of the instalments for a specific year (Such as "Rings (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic games)", which appears in the 3DS version but not the Wii one), or both the game and console if it appears in both (Such as "BMX (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Nintendo 3DS))" and "BMX (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Wii U))"). The shared name would be turned into a disambiguation page, listing all of the separate articles and any with similar names, such as 100m and 100m Dash, which would be separated as they have different names (This would also apply to any similarly named events, if the names are different they'll use the unique names instead of one with an identifier). An About template would be added to the top of name-sharing articles with a link to the disambiguation page for the other events or the events with a similar name. Events such as Balance Beam that only appear in one game will not be affected by this and will remain at the one name.

So, in summary, each version of an event from each game is split and given game-specific identifiers, the shared title is turned into a disambiguation page and About templates are added, events with different names between versions go to the unique names and events that only appear once remain unchanged.

Proposer: BBQ Turtle (talk)
Deadline: July 9, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. BBQ Turtle (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose

1. Super Radio (talk) see comment
2. Toadette the Achiever (talk) One look at Archery (event) said it all. Per Super Radio.

Comments

The way I see it, there should only be one page for each event that keeps all game appearances under headers, with separate infoboxes and details for each. I think this unitary management would be a lot tidier--after all, these events read like generic subjects with differing functions from game to game, akin to Frog. Bloating article titles with kilometric identifiers would feel forced and unappealing. This aside, good luck! There's many things to cover and you did a great job so far on those sponsors. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 13:56, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Though they may read as generic subjects now, that's something that's going to have to change in the future. They really need to be treated like minigames, as that's what they are and should be covered as. They're just based on Olympic events, some of them more closely than others (While 100m is usually pretty much identical, the Basketball in the 2012 3DS game is not even close to how the event plays), similar to how Pizza Me, Mario is loosely based on pizza making. When the articles are reworked, they will take more of a minigame focus than a real-life event one, similar to the current article for Dream Spacewalk. BBQ Turtle (talk) 16:11, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

I understand what you mean, but again, it's a matter of keeping the content organised. I said we should cover all "minigames" related to an event in a single page for that event because they all share the same name and they're singular in each game they appear in. Dream Spacewalk, on the other hand, is part of a bigger set of Dream Event minigames from a particular game and requires a separate page. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 16:22, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Yes, but by that logic, the two Dust Buddies minigames should be covered on the same page, because they share the same name and are minigames based on vacuuming in both of their appearances. You can argue that they play differently, but then the same is true for the Mario & Sonic events. In fact, both Rhythmic Gymnastics events in the 2016 game are gymnastics floor events, but they are played completely differently and are different forms of the same event, so shouldn't be put together. And if we went with the current system, the two Rhythmic Ribbon events would get put in with the batons and hoops too, and they play differently yet again, even if we compare Wii to Wii U and the 3DS ones. We can't really apply different coverage strategies to the two series at random, because the thing that's keeping the Mario & Sonic ones together (Similar name and thing it's loosely based on) is ignored in the case of Mario Party. BBQ Turtle (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, about that... One is a free-for-all minigame and the other is 1-vs-3. That's why they're split. ^(T|C) 16:56, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

But the same could apply to Badminton, which has both Doubles and Singles, but by the current system these would share an article, on account of the fact they're similar and have similar names. Archery also comes under this, as the Team and Singles event would also get lumped together, despite being two separate events within the same game. BBQ Turtle (talk) 18:33, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Dust Buddies isn't a real world subject. However, Olympic events are and they have different functions between the Mario & Sonic games, as you say. Frogs are also a real world subject and we don't split their page into separate articles for their Yoshi's Story, Luigi's Mansion 2, and Super Mario Odyssey appearances. There was actually a proposal to do so and it failed, and I'm using Walkazo's reasoning here too. Real world/generic subjects are simply a special case. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 17:01, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

I think Banana is a better example. The sheer complications of that page make it near impossible to split (keep in mind, there's not just one but two failed TPPs calling for a split). ^(T|C) 17:07, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

While I do understand what you're saying about the generic subject stuff, and I understand that these are derived from real-world events, I think we need to view this from more of a minigame point of view. The articles are not covering what the event is in great depth (Or at least, shouldn't be- if there are any like that, the amount is going down to a minimum when I get to that event), they are covering how you play it and other gameplay related details. And the events, while in some cases are similar (Such as most of the cycling ones), others are vastly different- for example, in the Marathon you win by collecting the most points from collecting water bottles, or earning extra points by performing handstands on your horse in Equestrian.

I'd also like to add that currently some of the Dream Events are sharing articles, including Dream Long Jump and Dream Race, which are not affected by the generic subjects policy, so what gets done about those? BBQ Turtle (talk) 18:33, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

You have your points, but I'm still uncertain on adding identifiers like (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (3DS)) to page titles. Regardless, if other people will agree that events should be treated more like game mechanics than real world representations, then I will reconsider my vote. The Dream Long John and Dream Race examples should definitely be taken into account. -- -- KOOPA CON CARNE 02:46, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

I'm perfectly fine with changing the identifiers, and would prefer to do so, I was putting those in as placeholder ones because I couldn't come up with anything better. I just can't think of any other ones right now personally, but suggestions are welcome. BBQ Turtle (talk) 04:26, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Merge golf terms to List of golf terms

We have a lot of articles from Mario Golf series that basically amount to generic subjects^*. Even Wikipedia doesn't have individual articles for every golf score, but we do! They play parts in the games, but pretty much in exactly the same ways as they do IRL. So round them up and stick them all on one page.

This would affect Albatross, Birdie, Bogey, Bunker (obstacle), Chip In, Eagle, Fairway, Fast Fairway, Flag Shot, Flower Patch, Green, Hole-in-One, Hole, Nice Shot, Out of Bounds, Par, Pin Shot, Pin, Rough and Tournament Green

^* - Note: "Generic subjects are worthy of their own article if they meet any of the following criteria...The subject is significant to the gameplay. This does not apply to sports games."

Proposer: Reboot (talk)
Deadline: July 9, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Reboot (talk) I approve this message.
2. Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per Reboot.
3. 7feetunder (talk) Per proposal.
4. Waluigi Time (talk) Per all.
5. Owencrazyboy9 (talk) Per all. Would be preferred if the page were named "Golf Glossary" and have the terms from the 3DS game, plus the other terms that aren't listed on that glossary in the game.
6. Boo4761 (talk) Per proposal.

Comments

I am fine with either option. However, I am not voting for either, yet. I want to point out a few problems with the proposal. However, if these are address, then I can easily vote for it.

• First, there are more terms that can be added to the list. Yet, unlike the already existing articles, they aren't really notable. However, there are tons of these that can be added. Here's just a few: Address, Lost Ball (although not possible in World Tour at least), Shot Maker, Slice, Tee Off, Yips, Club Championship, Double Peoria, Unplayable, 1W, PW, and Tee Marker.
• Second, they are not all terms. Even the ones that already have articles. Some are rules, and other gears (though the later only applies to non-existing articles only). Mario Golf: World Tour has a Golf Glossary, so if we don't break all these up by terms, rules, and gear (call that in said game), I think this name should do it. Yoshi the SSM (talk)

Wario Land 3 isn't a sports game, but a few of those things exist in it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:45, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

@Owencrazyboy9: It'd probably by "Golf glossary" since it's not meant to be a proper term. ^(T|C) 22:46, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

It is called Golf Glossary in the game. I can't find any instance of golf glossary or GOLF GLOSSARY, so it's most likely unnecessary to have that as a redirect. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 23:02, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

All right, then. If this proposal passes, Golf Glossary it is. – Owencrazyboy9 (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Umm...not your proposal :p

More seriously, while I'm not deeply wedded to the title I suggested, which is something of a placeholder, it is not an article about the Golf Glossary mode in MG:WT, it's a list of golfing terms which has some overlap with what is covered in that mode, so it would be inaccurate to label it as such. The name pretty much has to start "List of..." - Reboot (talk) 00:03, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Yeah. List of golf terms sounds good. However, with very likely over 500 terms (including rules and gear), World Tour's Golf Glossary will be where most of the info will come from. Even if you don't use that game, it should have all the terms from it. So, maybe Golf Glossary could redirect to the article? Yoshi the SSM (talk) 00:48, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.