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==Writing guidelines==
==Writing guidelines==
===Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc.===
''None at the moment.''
<blockquote>[[Truck#Mario Kart Tour]]<br>Moving cargo trucks appear on GCN Mushroom Bridge. Stationary cargo trucks appear on the road in GCN Mushroom Bridge R, GCN Mushroom Bridge R/T, New York Minute T, New York Minute 4T, and Bangkok Rush; they also appear on the sidelines in Tokyo Blur 3, Tokyo Blur 4, New York Minute 3, New York Minute B, Los Angeles Laps, Los Angeles Laps 3, Bangkok Rush, and Bangkok Rush 2, as well as in these courses' R, T, and R/T variants where applicable.</blockquote>


The number of courses listed in this paragraph was getting so wild that I had to condense it with the "as well as in these courses' variants" statement. Problem is, this sacrifices specificity. The proposal aims to introduce a guideline whereby lists of this ilk are more digestibly integrated in prose writing. To this end, I propose two options, each based on a format already used on some articles; the preferred format will be applied when the amount of courses listed is '''7 or higher'''.
==New features==
 
===Create the Dragon Quest Wiki template===
'''Option 1: Bullet-point lists'''
This proposal is based on [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/66#Create The Cutting Room Floor link template|the previous proposal for creating The Cutting Room Floor template]] ({{tem|TCRF}}). On December 11, 2022, the Dragon Quest Wiki was {{plain link|https://x.com/NIWANetwork/status/1602080654149439488|expelled from the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance}} due to controversies surround its new host, following inappropriate conduct on the part of that host. However, while "pre-release and unused content" articles link to TCRF, articles on ''Dragon Quest'' games and subjects that appear in the [[Super Mario (franchise)|''Super Mario'' franchise]] (i.e.: the [[Slime (Dragon Quest)|Slime]], [[Alefgard]], ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'') and companies responsible for working on ''Dragon Quest'' games (i.e.: [[Square Enix]]) already link to the Dragon Quest Wiki quite often, so they are considered to-go wikis. As such, I humbly ask if there's a possibility to formalize the linking with the Dragon Quest Wiki template like both {{tem|Wikipedia}} and {{tem|TCRF}}.
 
The subject's general description for a particular game is followed by a bulleted list of courses in said game, like so:
<blockquote>[[Slippa#Donkey Kong Land]]
 
Slippas appear in fifteen levels:
 
*[[Jungle Jaunt]]
*[[Freezing Fun]]
*[[Simian Swing]]
*[[Deck Trek]]
*[[Tire Trail]]
*[[Riggin' Rumble]]
*[[Tricky Temple]]
*[[Snake Charmer's Challenge]]
*[[Mountain Mayhem]]
*[[Spiky Tire Trail]]
*[[Kong Krazy]]
*[[Construction Site Fight]]
*[[Fast Barrel Blast]]
*[[Skyscraper Caper]]
*[[Oil Drum Slum]]</blockquote>
 
If a subject displays different traits across one game, such as having different colours or behaviours, and these traits are described on one article as opposed to being split between articles (e.g. [[Bandit#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|Bandits/Coin Bandits]] in ''Yoshi's Island''), each course in the list is followed in brackets by whatever variations of this enemy appear in the course. In other words, if a subject has traits X, Y, and Z across levels A, B, C, D etc. in a game, then the level list has the following form:
*Level A (X variation)
*Level B (Y variation)
*Level C (X variation, Z variation)
*Level D (X variation, Y variation) and so on, and so forth.
 
'''Option 2: Courses show up in-line when hovering/tapping a certain phrase'''
 
When the seventh course is reached in a list, the courses listed from that point on are being integrated in a piece of [[Template:Hover|hoverable]] text.
 
<blockquote>
[[Maw-Ray#Mario Kart Tour]]
 
They are found in [[Piranha Plant Cove|Piranha Plant Cove, Piranha Plant Cove 2, Piranha Plant Cove 3]], GCN Daisy Cruiser, {{hover|and some of their variants|Piranha Plant Cove R, Piranha Plant R/T, Piranha Plant Cove 2R, Piranha Plant Cove 3R, and GCN Daisy Cruiser T}}.
</blockquote>
 
Notice that the phrase "and some of their variants" has a dashed underline. Putting your cursor over it (on desktop) or tapping it (on mobile) reveals these course variants.
 
If the number of courses slated to be included in hoverable text is too small (e.g. the seventh course is the only one left to mention), previous courses in the list can be integrated in the hoverable text at the editor's discretion.
 
<nowiki>~~~~~~~~~~~~~</nowiki>
 
'''Note:''' Neither guideline will apply where a subject's course appearances are described individually, like in the [[Skewer]] article.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Koopa con Carne}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 8, 2023, 23:59 GMT
 
====Option 1====
#{{User|Somethingone}} Not the biggest fan of using hover text for large swaths of important information, {{hover|especially on mobile.|the "hover" parameter actually replaces text on mobile, making it read weirdly.}} I do agree with reformatting the big sentences though, and I am voting for this potion since it's {{hover|pretty consistent for what we typically do with information like this.|basic text with not many other details to describe beyond the name (otherwise we'd use a table).}}
#{{User|RealStuffMister}} mobile users won't be able to use the second one.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} I don't think it's very necessary to standardize this format, but organization and consistency are nice anyways. I personally like lists, and, as stated above, they don't affect mobile users, so this choice makes sense.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per all.
 
====Option 2====
 
====Just list them in a sentence outright====
 
====It doesn't matter====
 
====Comments====
I do not see the point in standardizing it, really [[User:Spectrogram|Spectrogram]] ([[User talk:Spectrogram|talk]]) 14:09, May 25, 2023 (EDT)
:If you don't see the point, then I suppose you could vote for the "It doesn't matter" option. Or is that not what that's for? {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:51, May 26, 2023 (EDT)
::Why should I? Abstaining is a better option when the proposal doesn't ruin anything if it passes. [[User:Spectrogram|Spectrogram]] ([[User talk:Spectrogram|talk]]) 10:58, May 26, 2023 (EDT)
 
===Clarify how to italicize merchandise titles in articles===
This is what [[MarioWiki:Manual of Style]] currently states regarding [[MarioWiki:Manual of Style#Italicizing titles|italicization of media titles]] in articles:
<blockquote>
The wiki has decided it proper to respect ''all'' games, series, movies, television programs, albums (music) and publications (print: comics, books and magazines) by italicizing ''all'' of their titles...
</blockquote>
 
This policy does a good job covering the vast majority of media (i.e. all digital games, audiovisual media, and print media), with the only type of media not covered being [[:Category:Merchandise|physical merchandise]]. All of this media is listed in [[Template:Merchandise]], which has led me to notice inconsistencies in how the titles of merchandise are italicized. For example:
*Despite both being board games, ''[[Mario Kart Wii Grand Prix]]'' is italicized, while [[Monopoly Gamer]] is not.
*[[LEGO Super Mario|LEGO ''Super Mario'']] only italicizes the name of the [[Super Mario (franchise)|''Super Mario'' franchise]] and not the name of the LEGO brand, but [[Super Mario Backpack Buddies]] leaves the entire title unitalicized, including the ''Super Mario'' franchise name.
*None of the food media have italicized titles (i.e. breakfast cereals such as [[Nintendo Cereal System]] and [[Super Mario Cereal]], and other packaged food such as [[Sunshine Biscuits]] [[:File:Sunshine Biscuits box 01.jpg|Super Mario Bros. Chocolate Cookies]] and [[Keebler]] [[:File:Keebler Mario Kart Fudge Stripes.jpg|Mario Kart Fudge Stripes]].
*The ''[[Video Game Super Stars]]'' action figure brand is italicized, but other unique brand names, such as [[Trading Card Treats]], are not.
This proposal aims to fix these problems by standardizing how merchandise is italicized. I've tried to keep the proposal as simple as possible; my apologies if this is unnecessarily complicated.
 
I want to limit unnecessary voting options, so if one thing comes out of this, it's clear that the titles of physical tabletop games (board games, card games, and others such as [[Donkey Kong Jenga|''Donkey Kong'' Jenga]]) should be completely italicized, because they are objectively games just like any digital game, and they should thus fall under existing italicization policy. What's left is to decide how the titles of other merchandise types should be italicized, if at all.
 
As a clarification, only ''official'' merchandise titles should be considered for italicization, i.e. titles that are clearly displayed on the merchandise's packaging, on the item itself, or otherwise from a reliable source, such as the manufacturer's website; a title from a source such as an Amazon or eBay listing is too unreliable, and a unitalicized, general description of the item can be used instead in those cases.
 
There are three notable features of many ''Super Mario'' franchise merchandise:
*Unique brand names used to distinguish a series of merchandise, most commonly with collectibles such as the [[Super Mario Trading Card Collection|''Super Mario'' Trading Card Collection]], [[Nintendo Super Secrets cards|Nintendo Super Secrets]], and the aforementioned Trading Card Treats.
*Names of games and series in the ''Super Mario'' franchise, as well as the franchise itself. These should already be italicized per existing policy.
*Product names used to title each item in a series, such as the [[Burger King]] "Donkey Kong Time Racer" toy. A product name can also be given to standalone items, such as the [[Mushroom Bank (merchandise)|Mushroom Bank]]. Because these are almost used simply to describe a product in the same way as an unofficial brief description, I believe these can safely be left unitalicized. I haven't included many options regarding these to keep voting options to a minimum, though please let me know if there is a valid argument against this.
Note that in this context, brand names should not be confused with the names of the companies that manufacture and/or sell the brands, such as [[First4Figures]], [[Mattel]], or [[Taco Bell]]; these should be left unitalicized. As an example, [[Freiberger]] is a company, Pizzatainment is one of their brands, and Triple Salami Explosion is one of the products sold under that brand.
 
Because of these features, I see four possible choices for italicization of the titles of non-tabletop-game merchandise:
*'''Completely italicize the entire title''', just like the other media already described in MarioWiki:Manual of Style.
*'''Italicize any unique brand names and ''Super Mario'' games or series''', but do ''not'' italicize any other words.
*'''Only italicize the name of a ''Super Mario'' game, series, or the franchise''' if it appears in the title, but do ''not'' italicize any brand names or other words.
*'''Do not italicize the title at all.'''
 
My personal choice from these options would be to italicize the names of any unique brand names and ''Super Mario'' games or series, but leave any other words unitalicized. I believe this would be the best balance between leaving all merchandise titles subject to a lack of standardization and brazenly italicizing merchandise titles where it may be unwarranted, though I can see a valid argument being made for most of the other options.


The option that receives the most votes should be explicitly listed as a guideline on MarioWiki:Manual of Style, under the "Italicizing titles" header. Please bring up any points of confusion or contention in the comments.
Here's what the Dragon Quest Wiki template could look like.


'''Proposer''': {{User|ThePowerPlayer}}<br>
Using <code><nowiki>{{Dragon Quest}}</nowiki></code> on the ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' article will result in this:
'''Deadline''': June 16, 2023, 23:59 GMT


====Fully italicize the entire titles of all merchandise====
{| class="nav-right noprint plainlinks" style="background:#d8d8e9;--darkbg:#001a33;border:1px solid #aae;--darkborder:#069;padding:2px"
| style="padding-right:10px" | [[File:Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png|x40px]]
| The [[dragonquest:Main Page|Dragon Quest Wiki]] has an article on '''[[dragonquest:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'''.
|}


====Fully italicize titles of tabletop games, and italicize only the names of unique brands and ''Super Mario'' games or series otherwise====
Using <code><nowiki>{{Dragon Quest|Slime}}</nowiki></code> on the [[Slime (Dragon Quest)|Slime (''Dragon Quest'')]] article will result in this:
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} This makes the most sense.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Works for us, since this definitely is most in line with how we usually format things as-is, and the tabletop games should've been fully italicized from the start.


====Fully italicize titles of tabletop games, and italicize only the names of ''Super Mario'' games or series otherwise====
{| class="nav-right noprint plainlinks" style="background:#d8d8e9;--darkbg:#001a33;border:1px solid #aae;--darkborder:#069;padding:2px"
| style="padding-right:10px" | [[File:Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png|x40px]]
| The [[dragonquest:Main Page|Dragon Quest Wiki]] has an article on '''[[dragonquest:Slime|Slime]]'''.
|}


====Fully italicize titles of only tabletop games, and do not italicize titles of other merchandise====
Credit for the similar text to the one from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/66#Create The Cutting Room Floor link template|here]] goes to [[User:Bro Hammer|Bro Hammer]] for use on this proposal.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Wikipedia italicizes board and card games and doesn't capitalize other merch. I don't really see the point in italicizing franchise names within the name of another product which could possibly already have some italicization going on.


====Do not italicize titles of any merchandise whatsoever====
'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT


====Do not establish any guidelines regarding merchandise titles====
====Support: A Template Draws Near!====
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal.


====Comments====
====Oppose: The Template Started to Run Away.====
#{{User|Arend}} Personally, I don't really see a point as to why ''specifically'' the Dragon Quest Wiki would get their own "link box template" (for the lack of a better term), when other themed wikis don't, with the NIWA wikis in particular having to share {{tem|NIWA}} instead having their own "link box template" as well. One would think it's a better idea if we had a template similar to {{tem|NIWA}} instead, but for all the non-NIWA wikis instead; though even then, there isn't really anything special to those wikis, so it's not even necessary to put them in a "link box template" when a normal list of external links works too. True, the Dragon Quest Wiki ''is'' in this weird position of it being a former NIWA wiki, but I still don't think it's a good idea by making it seem ''more special'' than other NIWA wikis by giving it its own exclusive template while the ACTUAL wikis on NIWA have to share {{tem|NIWA}}, when factually speaking, the Dragon Quest Wiki is ''on a lower level than the NIWA wikis'', affiliate-wise. Also, people on the Super Mario Wiki Discord claim that there even is already a "link box template" for specifically this wiki, but I cannot verify that.
#{{User|YoYo}} Per arend
#{{User|1468z}} Per all. We could just link to the wiki in an External links section like we already do with non-NIWA wikis like Sonic Retro.
#{{User|Hewer}} Wikipedia and The Cutting Room Floor both have more direct overlap with this wiki's coverage due to not being tied to a specific franchise, so I think they make more sense to have their own templates. Meanwhile, the only times we'd have any coverage overlap with Dragon Quest Wiki would be when the franchises specifically cross over with each other, so there's less of a use for it. For those cases, we can just put the links in the "External links" section like normal, as we do with Sonic and Rayman crossovers.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all, Arend especially. If we had a box like these for all non-NIWA wikis, it would get extremely annoying, fast; Wikipedia and TCRF are exceptions considering their prevalence, and are by no means the norm for this.


==New features==
====Dragon Quest Comments====
''None at the moment.''


==Removals==
==Removals==
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==Changes==
==Changes==
===Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles===
===Split every song from the "List of (show) songs" articles===
This proposal is similar to [[Talk:Conker#Rename to Conker|this one]] about [[Conker|Conker the Squirrel]] and [[Talk:Professor E. Gadd#Rename (proposal edition)|this one]] about [[Professor E. Gadd|Professor Elvin Gadd]], except this time, the targets are the many Sonic the Hedgehog characters who appear in the [[Mario & Sonic (series)|Mario & Sonic]] games. In these games, the characters are almost always referred to by their shortened names (e.g. Sonic and Tails), but for some strange reason, the wiki article titles don't reflect this (e.g. [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Miles "Tails" Prower]]). This is also true of Sonic's Super Smash Bros. appearances, which simply call him "Sonic". Speaking of which, I'm lumping [[Fox McCloud]] into this proposal too for the same reason: the Smash games always just call him Fox.
<small>(Yes, I am aware this might sound like a crazy idea, but hear me out.)</small>


Pages that will be renamed by this proposal:
Many of the ''Mario'' cartoons, like ''[[Super Mario World (television series)|Super Mario World]]'' and ''[[Donkey Kong Country (television series)|Donkey Kong Country]]'' incorporate songs into their episodes, and we cover all of those songs by lists. It's a pretty good way to store those songs...but...recently, I was gonna start adding lyrics from other languages to some ''Donkey Kong Country'' songs, and I was thinking that if we include every language for every song, the lists will start getting really, REALLY long (Yes, I am aware some dubs didn't dub songs or episodes). And it's not like these songs don't have anything to talk about to warrant their own article. The articles could include a table of which dubs either include the song, dub the song, but shorten it, include the song, undubbed, or just flat-out don't include the song. ''Donkey Kong Country'' also has some interesting facts that could also be noted on their pages, "[[Pirate's Scorn]]" and "[[I'm Gonna Be a Star]]" airing on [[Musitoon]], "[[Monkey Business]]"'s "transition" variant on [[Pure West]]'s website, and Alestorm's cover of "Pirate's Scorn." There's definitely enough information for ''Donkey Kong Country'' songs to be split, and I don't see why this can't be applied to all of the other ''Mario'' cartoons.
*[[Fox McCloud]] -> Fox
*[[Sonic the Hedgehog]] -> Sonic
*[[Miles "Tails" Prower]] -> Tails
*[[Knuckles the Echidna]] -> Knuckles
*[[Amy Rose]] -> Amy
*[[Shadow the Hedgehog]] -> Shadow (character)
*[[Vector the Crocodile]] -> Vector
*[[Blaze the Cat]] -> Blaze
*[[Silver the Hedgehog]] -> Silver
*[[Rouge the Bat]] -> Rouge
*[[Espio the Chameleon]] -> Espio
*[[Jet the Hawk]] -> Jet (''Sonic the Hedgehog'')
**<s>[[Jet]] -> Jet (''Mario Tennis: Power Tour'')</s>
*[[Wave the Swallow]] -> Wave
*[[E-123 Omega]] -> Omega
*[[Sticks the Badger]] -> Sticks
*[[Cream the Rabbit]] -> Cream (character)
*[[Charmy Bee]] -> Charmy
*[[Big the Cat]] -> Big (character)


Redirects using the full names will be kept, of course.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Kaptain Skurvy}}<br>'''Deadline''': June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT


'''Proposer''': {{User|Hewer}}<br>
====Time to make like the banana and split! (Support)====
'''Deadline''': June 4, 2023, 23:59 GMT
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Altendo|Al smoothie}} We already have [[peaches]], it's time to add bananas to the smoothie.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} one more step towards covering music better!
#{{User|Tails777}} Per EvieMaybe. I'd like to kinda rework how we cover music overall, but this is indeed a good step in the right direction.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} If having very long lists hinders coverage, it's better to split.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Our music coverage is already a tad strange, and a split like this is a step in the right direction. You could be somebody's hero with this.
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Given I'm the guy who made the [[DDR: Mario Mix]] song articles, I'm very in favor of this kind of thing. <small>Heck, I've been trying to figure out how to justify making Donkey Konga song articles for a while now...</small>


====Support====
====This idea should slip on a banana peel! (Oppose)====
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal
#{{User|Tails777}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} The only part of this we'd hold contention with has been addressed, and after reviewing the list again, these all make sense to us. Now, admittedly, we didn't go scouring the list of every character article on the wiki, so there ''might'' be a few we're missing; but we can definitely address those as the crop up, and these are the vast majority of the ones we can think of anyways.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} P e r      p r o p o s a l .
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} Per. Also, characters who have name like Jimmy Thang are using their common nicks ([[Jimmy T]] instead of Jimmy Thang). We also have [[Penny]] instead of Penny Crygor (and [[Dr. Crygor]] not Doctor Crygor), so I will whollily and happily support short nicks names for third partiers.
#{{User|Cadrega86}} Per proposal.
====Oppose====
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} There are some crossover characters with shortened names that overlap with Mario subjects. And using the series name to disambiguate just emphasizes how non-Mario they are. If Sonic the Hedgehog is going to be moved to Sonic, then shouldn't Jet the Hawk be {{fake link|Jet (Sonic)}}? Actually, if there's proof of their full names somewhere in a Mario crossover like in the Super Smash Bros. Brawl trophies, then their page names should remain the same. The Sonic logo in Smash is proof that Sonic is Sonic the Hedgehog from Mario's perspective, so Sonic's name has to stay and every other crossover character whose full name was stated.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per Seanwheeler. After reading the comments I personally find this change to be unnecessary. And as Sean points out in the comments, names like Fox are generic and can confuse new editors.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per SeanWheeler.


====Comments====
====Comments Seer, Comments Do (Comments)====
Jet from ''Mario Tennis'' should be prioritised over the ''Sonic'' character as he is a Mario character. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 13:40, May 28, 2023 (EDT)
: Seconding this. We should probably make "Jet (''MT:PT'')" be just "Jet", and "Jet the Hawk" can be "Jet (''Sonic the Hedgehog'')". We'd be glad to support if that was addressed, but otherwise... Wow, that's a potential bit of Wiki Jank waiting to be discovered 10-odd years from now. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 13:54, May 28, 2023 (EDT)
::I thought of that, but I wasn't sure what identifier to use for Jet the Hawk since he's made multiple appearances (and for some reason I thought there was already a case of a crossover character with priority over a Mario character, but looking at the articles we have I guess I was remembering wrong). I'll settle for "Jet (''Sonic the Hedgehog'')" though as it's consistent with [[Slime (Dragon Quest)]] (as well as the former [[Steve (Minecraft)]] and [[Roy (Fire Emblem)]] articles). I've changed the proposal. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:04, May 28, 2023 (EDT)
:::Works for us! {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 14:15, May 28, 2023 (EDT)


Don't you think "Shadow (character)" might be confusing due to the existence of [[Shadow the Dog]], a ''WarioWare'' character? {{User:Arend/sig}} 18:57, May 29, 2023 (EDT)
==Miscellaneous==
:I doubt it, since that article isn't using the title Shadow. If it was then the identifier would need to be more specific, but as it stands, I think Shadow (character) works fine. Compare [[Leo]] and [[Leo Luster]], where no identifier for Leo works fine because the other Leo uses a full name. It's not a perfect comparison since in Shadow's case we need ''an'' identifier because of the [[Shadow|SMRPG enemy]] but it gets the point across. (Speaking of which, I noticed that [[Ninja]] is another crossover character sharing a name with an SMRPG enemy, except they share naming priority. Maybe there's a case to move the current Shadow article to "Shadow (enemy)"?) {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:15, May 29, 2023 (EDT)
===Tighten the definition of "item" used by some games' subcategories===
 
Within the context of, say, ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'', an "item" is a specific class of game entity that goes in its own tab on the pause menu and tab in the battle UI, and can be used in and out of battle. However, this specificity is not reflected in our category system, under which [[:Category:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door items]] contains the likes of [[Badge]], [[Hammer]], [[Heart (item)]], and [[Star Piece (Paper Mario series)]]. I think things like these sharing a category with the games' definition of "item" is counterintuitive. Should this proposal pass, "items" such as these, no longer contained within the tightened definition, will be placed into the main category; or their own subcategory if there are enough (though I'm not sure what such a category would be called).
@SeanWheeler No offence, but did you even read the proposal before opposing? I ''am'' suggesting to move Jet the Hawk to Jet (''Sonic the Hedgehog''). There's precedent for this with articles like [[Slime (Dragon Quest)|Slime (''Dragon Quest'')]] and [[Ring (Sonic the Hedgehog)|Ring (''Sonic the Hedgehog'')]]. And there's also precedent for moving full names to shortened versions, like [[Conker|Conker the Squirrel]], [[Professor E. Gadd|Professor Elvin Gadd]], [[Rosalina|Princess Rosalina]], and [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/56#Move animal names from the Donkey Kong Country series to just their normal names|the ''Donkey Kong Country'' animal friends]]. I'm not saying that the full names don't exist or that we should remove all mention of them, just that we should move the article titles to the more common names (we aren't about to move [[Mario]] to Mario Mario or [[Bowser]] to King Bowser Koopa). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:39, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
:Realised I misunderstood your comment about Jet, but I still disagree because the franchise is called ''Sonic the Hedgehog'', it's just the character I'm suggesting to move to his more common name in the games he crossed over with Mario in. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 05:44, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
::[[Slime (Dragon Quest)]] and [[Roy (Fire Emblem)]] had their series title because they were only known by one name. Conker, according to the proposal that moved him barely had any reference to officially being called "Conker the Squirrel" in his own series. Sonic's full name, Sonic the Hedgehog is quite famous as that is the title of his series and he is called Sonic the Hedgehog in just about every media he's in. And while the character select screen in Smash simply calls him Sonic, his trophy is called Sonic the Hedgehog. So really, Sonic should not be moved. And neither should crossover characters with well known full names. "Big (character)" is too generic. "Big the Cat" tells us that the page is about the Sonic character. The crossover page names are fine with their well known names. We don't have to limit them to what Mario would call them. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 14:36, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
:::Seeing as we're only covering the characters as they appear in Mario media, I think it makes perfect sense to go with the significantly more commonly used names in said media. It's the same principle as why we can't use quotes or artwork for crossover characters that aren't from their crossover appearances, and why [[MarioWiki:Naming#Name changes|the naming policy]] says we should ignore name changes of crossover characters unless these changes appear in Mario media. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:46, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
::::And if these full names have appeared in Mario crossover media and they have the common name as a subject in the main Mario series, it would be better to disambiguate by using the full name heard in the crossover instead of using parentheticals. If we ever get an article about a species of {{fake link|Fox}}, the Smash character shouldn't be {{fake link|Fox (character)}} or {{fake link|Fox (''Starfox'')}}. He should be [[Fox McCloud]], as his last name was confirmed in Smash through his Melee trophy and in Solid Snake's codec conversation. And Sonic is quite commonly known as Sonic the Hedgehog. If a character's full name is not stated in Mario crossovers, sure, I'd support them being called only by what Mario knows them as. But popular characters that have their most well known names said in the crossover should not be moved to generic names. That's why the proposal to move the Koopalings to their first names failed, because Palutena referred to them by their full names in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U. And besides, we might as well move [[Princess Peach]] and [[Princess Daisy]] to simply [[Peach]] and [[Daisy]] if we're going to just go by common names. This proposal is pretty much asking us to move the crossover characters to their playable names from Smash and Mario & Sonic. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:33, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Honestly, I've considered moving Peach and Daisy to their shortened names (Daisy especially since she's rarely ever called "Princess Daisy") and I still wholeheartedly support that Koopalings proposal, but those are separate discussions. "This proposal is pretty much asking us to move the crossover characters to their playable names from Smash and Mario & Sonic" - indeed, that's my exact goal, and I really don't see the issue with it. Shortening the names to be more accurate to what they're usually called doesn't make them "generic names". Once again, I'm not saying the full names don't exist, just that we should use the more common names, which we have precedent for. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, seeing as this argument is starting to go in circles. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:16, May 31, 2023 (EDT)
::::::Well, in my opinion, full names (while omitting middlenames) are better titles for wiki pages than just first names, especially on a wiki that has pages on everything that appears in a multimedia franchise including crossover characters. And yeah, calling Fox McCloud simply "Fox" does make the name generic, especially when editors of a ''Mario'' Wiki wouldn't immediately get that it's the Star Fox character until they see the infobox picture on his page. And besides, it's better for SEO to use the best known names that aren't just one word. Mario could stay the same because he's the trope-namer for the One Mario Limit and his last name also being Mario was debated for years. Bowser can keep his name because despite there being a [[Doug Bowser]] running Nintendo, has anyone actually called him "Bowser Koopa?" Fox McCloud in Super Smash Bros. media has the Melee trophy, Snake's Codec and Palutena's Guidance confirming his name. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 01:55, June 1, 2023 (EDT)
Lol, this is starting to look more like a colab'd professorial thesis (whatever that is) than the comments section of an unremarkable proposal on a wiki about a series of children's video games, do you see how much this sentence is sticking out? [[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 16:54, June 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Trust me, [[Talk:Cape Feather#Split "Cape Feather" and "Feather" similar to how we handle Super Mushroom and Mushroom|this is]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61#Merge certain non-Mario fighters from the Super Smash Bros. series into game-specific lists and trim away detailed special move information for all non-Mario fighters|nothing]] [[Talk:Yoshi's Island (location)#Split the two Islands of Yoshi|out of the]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/56#Remove non-Mario characters from the trophies, Assist Trophy, stickers, and Spirit pages|ordinary]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:06, June 1, 2023 (EDT)
::Wowy, I guess I'm pretty new around here. [[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 17:26, June 1, 2023 (EDT)
 
While I do agree with the proposal in theory, I have a thought: correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't this line of reasoning later be used to remove "Kong" from all of the Kong characters' names (save <s>Charlie Brown</s> Donkey Kong)? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:35, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
:Their names almost always include "Kong" in them, so I seriously doubt it. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 19:09, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
::Not necessarily. A lot of spinoff character selects and such abbreviate to first names for all except (usually) Donkey Kong, who is instead DK. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:39, June 3, 2023 (EDT)
 
:Yeah. A lot of people have their first names as their commonly used names. So taking the common name rule too literally like this proposal and the Koopaling proposal would reduce a lot of character pages to one-name articles. That rule about names most commonly used probably should be reworded as names not being too rare. I haven't played any Donkey Kong games, so if the Kongs are reduced to just their first names, they could lose their identity to me, because I know them better as the names from this wiki. So really, we shouldn't be taking the common name rule to be that we call everyone by the short names they are constantly called, and we definitely shouldn't use parentheticals when those characters have a longer name available. Fox has been called Fox McCloud in Mario crossover media as recent as Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Even his Fighter Spirit was named Fox McCloud. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 19:38, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
 
let us be changing the person namings on internet land (Translation: Let's change the titles for these characters' articles soon.) [[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 16:11, June 4, 2023 (EDT)
 
::Can't Shadow the Hedgehog be moved to {{fake link|Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog)}}? We have multiple characters named Shadow. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 21:07, June 4, 2023 (EDT)


:::Sounds good to me. I don't really think Sonic characters should get the naming priority on a Mario wiki. [[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 09:30, June 5, 2023 (EDT)
If it's preferable that the "items" label be kept consistent with the rest of the wiki, I would also be fine with splitting these items off into a subcategory (or simply renaming the category if the "normal items" are too few in number) — {{Fake link|Category:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door consumable items}}, for instance.


This proposal is now officially OVAH, can someone wrap it up I don't know how. [[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 11:43, June 5, 2023 (EDT)
Games and series for which I believe this should be done include:
*''[[Super Mario RPG]]'', the ''{{id|Paper Mario|series}}'' series, the ''{{id|Mario & Luigi|series}}'' series, and ''[[Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope]]''. These all share the definition of "item" used in the example at the top of the proposal.
*Various games in the ''{{id|Mario Party|series}}'' series, wherein items are specific things that can be acquired and used at the start of your turn.
*''[[Mario is Missing!]]'' and ''[[Mario's Time Machine]]'' (though the latter already seems to abide by this). I'm more familiar with the former, but [[taxi token]]s and [[walkie-talkie]]s being mixed in with these games' fetch quest items. Mario is Missing tends to use "artifacts" for these objects, so maybe that's the term we should be using here.


===Split the remaining ''Mario Party'' and ''Mario Party 2'' mini-game variants from each other===
'''Proposer''': {{User|Ahemtoday}}<br>
Building off of a discussion and proposal from the [[Talk:Balloon Burst|Balloon Burst talk page]], I'm proposing we aim to split off the rest of the mini-games shared between ''Mario Party'' and ''Mario Party 2''. While many of those games play almost identically between both games, many of them still feature various rule differences. Few examples:
'''Deadline''': May 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT


*Hot Rope Jump in the first game is a survival mini-game where everyone must jump 20 times (40 in Mini-Game Island). Anyone who hits the rope loses and pays the people who didn't hit the rope money. In ''Mario Party 2'', it becomes a last man standing game.
====Tighten the "item" category on these games====
*Crane Game in the first game gives the solo player only one chance to grab something or someone, with the money they earn varying based on who or what they catch. In ''Mario Party 2'', the solo player must grab everyone and is given the option to grab clocks to extend the timer.
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Per proposal.
*Grab Bag in the original has everyone stealing each other's money. In ''Mario Party 2'', it's a battle mini-game where everyone grabs pre-disposed Mushrooms and one lucky target gets a golden one worth three points and the aim is to just have the most mushrooms.
#{{User|Altendo|Itemdo}} Sounds good from what I can see.


Those are just a few examples. Several other games feature differences too. And while there is the argument that "they still play the same at the core", a few things to counter that are the fact that both ''Mario Party: The Top 100'' and ''Mario Party Superstars'' actively acknowledge the different versions of each mini-game, regardless of whether or not they had differing names or not. ''The Top 100'' featured the ''MP2'' version of Handcar Havoc while ''Superstars'' featured the ''MP'' version. And this extends to games with differing names, such as Hexagon Heat and Desert Dash to Mushroom Mix-Up and Dungeon Dash. And finally, this would be consistent with several other mini-games; the aforementioned ones that share the same basic concept, but have different names to the notable examples of Bowser's Bigger Blast and Beach Volleyball, which appear similar to identical to Bowser's Big Blast and Beach Volley Folly. All that being said, I don't think it's that unreasonable to split the rest of these mini-games into their own articles.
====Split these item classes into their own categories====
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Oh, I meant to vote here as well but forgot.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Distinguishing these items from other types of item is useful and important, but I would strongly contend that stuff like Badges and Star Pieces ''are'' items, just a different category from consumable items that are sometimes labeled as just "items".
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} We prefer this, personally. It'd be nice to have a clear distinction between types of items found in RPGs aside from just... "Item". Mario Party also has a few color-coded categories for [[Orb]]s in ''5'' to ''7'', and [[Candy (Mario Party 8)|Candy]] in ''8'', which we could potentially distinguish with this.
#{{User|Altendo|Altem Class}} Second choice, per all.
#{{User|Rainbow Road Drifter}} The term is used in RPGs to refer to something that can be bought or sold in a shop, used as the action during the player's turn, and is listed in an Items section in the menu. If an object isn't considered an "item" in the game, it should be in a separate category.


The following is a list of mini-games that would be split if we split all:
====Do nothing====
*[[Hot Bob-omb]]
====Comments (item category proposal)====
*[[Crazy Cutter]]
*[[Face Lift]]
*[[Skateboard Scamper]]
*[[Platform Peril]]
*[[Grab Bag]]
*[[Bumper Balls]]
*[[Tipsy Tourney]]
*[[Bombs Away]]
*[[Shy Guy Says]]
*[[Hot Rope Jump]]
*[[Slot-Car Derby]]
*[[Bowl Over]]
*[[Crane Game (minigame)]]
*[[Bobsled Run]]
*[[Handcar Havoc]]
 
For the second option, these mini-games would be split based on having rule differences:
*[[Hot Bob-omb]]
*[[Hot Rope Jump]]
*[[Bowl Over]]
*[[Crane Game (minigame)]]
 
And as per the comment below, the third option would split mini-games with a different names across several languages:
*[[Hot Bob-omb]]
*[[Face-Lift]]
*[[Skateboard Scamper]]
*[[Platform Peril]]
*[[Grab Bag]]
*[[Bowl Over]]
*[[Crane Game (minigame)]]
 
As for the naming convention, I simply say we use the game as the identifier (Crane Game (Mario Party) to Crane Game (Mario Party 2)). It may not be how we covered Balloon Burst, mainly because many of the mini-games share the same category. Some could follow similar suits (Crazy Cutters (4-Player) to Crazy Cutters (Battle)), but I feel the titles work best. If anyone has any further thoughts or suggestions, let me know.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Tails777}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 9, 2023, 23:59 GMT
 
====Split all mini-games====
#{{User|Tails777}} Secondary choice.
 
====Split only mini-games with rule differences====
#{{User|Tails777}} Primary choice. These mini-games have as much differences as Balloon Burst does. They may not be category changes, but they still have significant rule changes.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per proposal. This makes the most sense to me.
 
====Split mini-games with regional name differences====
#{{User|Arend}} The Balloon Burst split not only had the rule change, but its Japanese name was also different, so this makes the most sense to me if we gotta split.
 
====Split nothing====
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Technically, these ''are'' the same minigames across two different games, so it just seems a bit odd to separate them seeing as there isn't too much to distinguish the different versions. I don't really see why we can't keep them on the same page and list the differences of the minigames anyway. Now, I would suggest improving the clarity and completeness of the existing articles, but separating the appearances altogether just seems a bit unorganized.
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} Cosmetic changes across each mini game version do not warrant a split-up
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} I'm all for splits if the difference is notable (Balloon Burst) or Nintendo bothers to distinguish a visual change in the English localization (Hexagon Heat etc.) but the differences here aren't very significant. I don't think we'll benefit much from this and it'll just make navigation more confusing.
#{{User|Arend}} Secondary choice; I don't mind it if we kept the minigames merged either, and as Waluigi Time stated, most of the minigames listed only have aesthetic changes.
 
====Comments====
So is the idea that this would move [[Balloon Burst (4-Player)]] to Balloon Burst (''Mario Party'') and [[Balloon Burst (2 vs. 2)]] to Balloon Burst (''Mario Party 2'')? I'd support that but I don't think the Balloon Burst proposal is technically old enough to change the names. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:35, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
:Actually, the idea of moving Balloon Burst's name is not covered here; that would remain unaffected. This is just the idea of splitting minigames from both ''Mario Party'' and ''Mario Party 2'' that are still merged together. I guess I should've made a list of those minigames. As for the naming, I was just mentioning it to show I'm aware that it's not following the naming idea I had. But when the time comes that we can change that, I'd openly support that move too. Heck I tried to suggest it on the proposal itself. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
I'm also noticing a few games that are similar to the point where absolutely nothing changes (Tipsy Tourney, Shy Guy Says, Slot Car Derby etc). If people are opposed to splitting all of them, I can make an option to only split those that feature significant changes. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
'''@MegaBowser64''' Part of the reason I'm proposing this is because we already have many minigames that are already split, despite being nearly identical. Mushroom Mix-Up and Hexagon Heat feature no gameplay differences between versions, the only reason they're split is because they have different names. And we just recently split Balloon Burst too, which also had the same gameplay focus as in ''Mario Party'', with the only difference being the change in category, going from a 4-Player minigame to a 2-vs-2 minigame. Otherwise, the goal is still to burst the balloon fastest and the controls are identical. And with that minigame, even the name itself was the exact same. Beyond those examples, Desert Dash and Dungeon Dash play the exact same, Tightrope Treachery and Rainbow Run play the exact same, and Mario Bandstand and Toad Bandstand are in the same category as Balloon Burst; play the same, but different category. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
Face Lift in the first party game features you distorting Bowser's face; the next game has you distorting other characters' faces. This and other examples like this cannot make a minigame version distinguishable from another. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 21:58, June 2, 2023 (EDT)
:Okay, but I listed examples where the rules differ. As I said, Crane Game in ''Mario Party'' ends when the solo player catches one thing while in ''Mario Party 2'' it ends when all three players are caught. Bowl Over in ''Mario Party'' gives the player only one shot and will take money from anyone who is hit while in ''Mario Party 2'', the solo player is given two shots and has to hit everyone to win. Those are not cosmetic changes. Again, I can alter things to only include mini-games where the rules and aims are altered, but I feel if we do nothing, we may as well merge the two Balloon Burst mini-games back together and merge Hexagon Heat, Rainbow Run and Dungeon Dash together with their ''Mario Party'' counterparts. Hexagon Heat is as much of a cosmetic change as Face Lift is. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
I actually think there should be an option to split the minigames based on their differing Japanese names (which also was a factor on why Balloon Burst was split). That would be the following:
*[[Hot Bob-omb]]
*[[Face-Lift]]
*[[Skateboard Scamper]]
*[[Platform Peril]]
*[[Grab Bag]]
*[[Bowl Over]]
*[[Crane Game (minigame)]]
{{User:Arend/sig}} 03:19, June 3, 2023 (EDT)
:I could add that. While I'm more on the rule side of the split, it would be more consistent with how Balloon Burst was split. Plus, several of those games also have different names in other regions, which I feel helps support it. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
 
'''@Waluigi Time''' Except Balloon Burst doesn't have any gameplay differences. The category difference doesn't change the fact that the controls to bursting the balloon are the same and the goal of bursting the balloon first is still the same. I don't exactly see how Balloon Burst is a gameplay difference when the core concepts are the same across both games. Again, my points on Crane Game and Bowl Over are that they actually change over the course of two games; requiring the solo player to eliminate all three other players instead of just one. The requirements to end a game I feel are more significant when compared to Balloon Burst. I concede that stuff like Tipsy Tourney or Shy Guy Says would be a bit excessive, but for the examples where the rules do change, I feel that should be at least a bigger focus. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:I did look at the examples listed, but I don't really find the differences there worth splitting over. You're still doing the same things in the game, just more of it. I put more stock in Balloon Burst switching to a different type of minigame (though I'm not super committed to keeping them split, I can take it or leave it). --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:01, June 3, 2023 (EDT)
 
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List of ongoing talk page proposals

Deletions

Merges

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Miscellaneous

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025)
Allow English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia names to be mentioned on articles where they are not the title, Hewer (ended March 27, 2025)
Change previous and next entries cell in infoboxes to include actual entry names and change directory link, Bro Hammer (ended April 18, 2025)
Make a guideline for covering generic subjects that have a recurring and recognizable design in the Mario series, Koopa con Carne (ended May 4, 2025)
Rework "References" sections, EvieMaybe (ended May 5, 2025)
Create a separate list for physical games, Nelsonic (ended May 20, 2025)
Remove the a and id templates, Sparks (ended May 24, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Merge False Character and Fighting Polygon/Wireframe/Alloy/Mii Teams into List of Super Smash Bros. series bosses, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended December 2, 2024)
Create a catch-all Poltergust article, Blinker (ended January 21, 2025)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Split the Animal Crossing series (now Crossovers with Animal Crossing), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)
Split the modes in the Battles page, Mario (ended February 15, 2025)
Split Super Mario Maker helmets from Buzzy Shell and Spiny Shell (red), PopitTart (ended March 12, 2025)
Merge Mario Party 4 hosts with their species, Kirby the Formling (ended March 23, 2025)
Split Super Luigi subjects into a dedicated list article, EvieMaybe (ended April 3, 2025)
Split Hammer (move) from Hammer, Blinker (ended April 10, 2025)
Deciding the fate of the last two episodes of Super Mario Maker 2 Challenges!, Rykitu (ended April 27, 2025)
Restore general coverage for Pyramid, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 9, 2025)
Split the Story Mode chapters from Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, Kaptain Skurvy (ended May 13, 2025)
Clean up Prohibited Command, PrincessPeachFan (ended May 13, 2025)
Move SMB3 info from Floor (block) to Floor, and move Floor (block) to Mario Bros. Block, PopitTart (ended May 21, 2025)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create the Dragon Quest Wiki template

This proposal is based on the previous proposal for creating The Cutting Room Floor template ({{TCRF}}). On December 11, 2022, the Dragon Quest Wiki was expelled from the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance due to controversies surround its new host, following inappropriate conduct on the part of that host. However, while "pre-release and unused content" articles link to TCRF, articles on Dragon Quest games and subjects that appear in the Super Mario franchise (i.e.: the Slime, Alefgard, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) and companies responsible for working on Dragon Quest games (i.e.: Square Enix) already link to the Dragon Quest Wiki quite often, so they are considered to-go wikis. As such, I humbly ask if there's a possibility to formalize the linking with the Dragon Quest Wiki template like both {{Wikipedia}} and {{TCRF}}.

Here's what the Dragon Quest Wiki template could look like.

Using {{Dragon Quest}} on the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate article will result in this:

Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png The Dragon Quest Wiki has an article on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

Using {{Dragon Quest|Slime}} on the Slime (Dragon Quest) article will result in this:

Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png The Dragon Quest Wiki has an article on Slime.

Credit for the similar text to the one from here goes to Bro Hammer for use on this proposal.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: A Template Draws Near!

  1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: The Template Started to Run Away.

  1. Arend (talk) Personally, I don't really see a point as to why specifically the Dragon Quest Wiki would get their own "link box template" (for the lack of a better term), when other themed wikis don't, with the NIWA wikis in particular having to share {{NIWA}} instead having their own "link box template" as well. One would think it's a better idea if we had a template similar to {{NIWA}} instead, but for all the non-NIWA wikis instead; though even then, there isn't really anything special to those wikis, so it's not even necessary to put them in a "link box template" when a normal list of external links works too. True, the Dragon Quest Wiki is in this weird position of it being a former NIWA wiki, but I still don't think it's a good idea by making it seem more special than other NIWA wikis by giving it its own exclusive template while the ACTUAL wikis on NIWA have to share {{NIWA}}, when factually speaking, the Dragon Quest Wiki is on a lower level than the NIWA wikis, affiliate-wise. Also, people on the Super Mario Wiki Discord claim that there even is already a "link box template" for specifically this wiki, but I cannot verify that.
  2. YoYo (talk) Per arend
  3. 1468z (talk) Per all. We could just link to the wiki in an External links section like we already do with non-NIWA wikis like Sonic Retro.
  4. Hewer (talk) Wikipedia and The Cutting Room Floor both have more direct overlap with this wiki's coverage due to not being tied to a specific franchise, so I think they make more sense to have their own templates. Meanwhile, the only times we'd have any coverage overlap with Dragon Quest Wiki would be when the franchises specifically cross over with each other, so there's less of a use for it. For those cases, we can just put the links in the "External links" section like normal, as we do with Sonic and Rayman crossovers.
  5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, Arend especially. If we had a box like these for all non-NIWA wikis, it would get extremely annoying, fast; Wikipedia and TCRF are exceptions considering their prevalence, and are by no means the norm for this.

Dragon Quest Comments

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Split every song from the "List of (show) songs" articles

(Yes, I am aware this might sound like a crazy idea, but hear me out.)

Many of the Mario cartoons, like Super Mario World and Donkey Kong Country incorporate songs into their episodes, and we cover all of those songs by lists. It's a pretty good way to store those songs...but...recently, I was gonna start adding lyrics from other languages to some Donkey Kong Country songs, and I was thinking that if we include every language for every song, the lists will start getting really, REALLY long (Yes, I am aware some dubs didn't dub songs or episodes). And it's not like these songs don't have anything to talk about to warrant their own article. The articles could include a table of which dubs either include the song, dub the song, but shorten it, include the song, undubbed, or just flat-out don't include the song. Donkey Kong Country also has some interesting facts that could also be noted on their pages, "Pirate's Scorn" and "I'm Gonna Be a Star" airing on Musitoon, "Monkey Business"'s "transition" variant on Pure West's website, and Alestorm's cover of "Pirate's Scorn." There's definitely enough information for Donkey Kong Country songs to be split, and I don't see why this can't be applied to all of the other Mario cartoons.

Proposer: Kaptain Skurvy (talk)
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Time to make like the banana and split! (Support)

  1. Kaptain Skurvy (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Al smoothie (talk) We already have peaches, it's time to add bananas to the smoothie.
  3. EvieMaybe (talk) one more step towards covering music better!
  4. Tails777 (talk) Per EvieMaybe. I'd like to kinda rework how we cover music overall, but this is indeed a good step in the right direction.
  5. Jdtendo (talk) If having very long lists hinders coverage, it's better to split.
  6. Camwoodstock (talk) Our music coverage is already a tad strange, and a split like this is a step in the right direction. You could be somebody's hero with this.
  7. Ahemtoday (talk) Given I'm the guy who made the DDR: Mario Mix song articles, I'm very in favor of this kind of thing. Heck, I've been trying to figure out how to justify making Donkey Konga song articles for a while now...

This idea should slip on a banana peel! (Oppose)

Comments Seer, Comments Do (Comments)

Miscellaneous

Tighten the definition of "item" used by some games' subcategories

Within the context of, say, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, an "item" is a specific class of game entity that goes in its own tab on the pause menu and tab in the battle UI, and can be used in and out of battle. However, this specificity is not reflected in our category system, under which Category:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door items contains the likes of Badge, Hammer, Heart (item), and Star Piece (Paper Mario series). I think things like these sharing a category with the games' definition of "item" is counterintuitive. Should this proposal pass, "items" such as these, no longer contained within the tightened definition, will be placed into the main category; or their own subcategory if there are enough (though I'm not sure what such a category would be called).

If it's preferable that the "items" label be kept consistent with the rest of the wiki, I would also be fine with splitting these items off into a subcategory (or simply renaming the category if the "normal items" are too few in number) — Category:Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door consumable items, for instance.

Games and series for which I believe this should be done include:

Proposer: Ahemtoday (talk)
Deadline: May 27, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Tighten the "item" category on these games

  1. Ahemtoday (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Itemdo (talk) Sounds good from what I can see.

Split these item classes into their own categories

  1. Ahemtoday (talk) Oh, I meant to vote here as well but forgot.
  2. Pseudo (talk) Distinguishing these items from other types of item is useful and important, but I would strongly contend that stuff like Badges and Star Pieces are items, just a different category from consumable items that are sometimes labeled as just "items".
  3. Camwoodstock (talk) We prefer this, personally. It'd be nice to have a clear distinction between types of items found in RPGs aside from just... "Item". Mario Party also has a few color-coded categories for Orbs in 5 to 7, and Candy in 8, which we could potentially distinguish with this.
  4. Altem Class (talk) Second choice, per all.
  5. Rainbow Road Drifter (talk) The term is used in RPGs to refer to something that can be bought or sold in a shop, used as the action during the player's turn, and is listed in an Items section in the menu. If an object isn't considered an "item" in the game, it should be in a separate category.

Do nothing

Comments (item category proposal)

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