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''None at the moment.''
|'''Proposals''' can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] before any action(s) are done.
*Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
*"Vote" periods last for one week.
*All past proposals are [[/Archive|archived]].
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code <nowiki>{{User|</nowiki>''User name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>.


This page observes the [[MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy|No-Signature Policy]].
==New features==
===Create the Dragon Quest Wiki template===
{{early notice|May 31, 2025}}
This proposal is based on [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/66#Create The Cutting Room Floor link template|the previous proposal for creating The Cutting Room Floor template]] ({{tem|TCRF}}). On December 11, 2022, the Dragon Quest Wiki was {{plain link|https://x.com/NIWANetwork/status/1602080654149439488|expelled from the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance}} due to controversies surround its new host, following inappropriate conduct on the part of that host. However, while "pre-release and unused content" articles link to TCRF, articles on ''Dragon Quest'' games and subjects that appear in the [[Super Mario (franchise)|''Super Mario'' franchise]] (i.e.: the [[Slime (Dragon Quest)|Slime]], [[Alefgard]], ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'') and companies responsible for working on ''Dragon Quest'' games (i.e.: [[Square Enix]]) already link to the Dragon Quest Wiki quite often, so they are considered to-go wikis. As such, I humbly ask if there's a possibility to formalize the linking with the Dragon Quest Wiki template like both {{tem|Wikipedia}} and {{tem|TCRF}}.


<h2 style="color:black">How To</h2>
Here's what the Dragon Quest Wiki template could look like.
#Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
#Users then start to discuss on the issue. 24 hours after posting the proposal (rounding up or down to the next or previous full hour, respectively, is allowed), the voting period begins. (The proposer is allowed to support their proposal right after posting.) Each proposal ends at the end of the day one week after voting start. ('''All times GMT''').
#Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
#Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may '''not''' remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite his/her own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the [[MarioWiki:Administrators|Administrators]].
#All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
#If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of '''three''' votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
#Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "[[Wikipedia:Quorum|NO QUORUM]]." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
#No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than '''4 weeks''' ('''28 days''') old.
#Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a [[MarioWiki:Administrators|Sysop]] at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
#All proposals are archived. The original proposer must '''''take action''''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
#There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a [[MarioWiki:PipeProject|PipeProject]].
#Proposals cannot be made about [[MarioWiki:Administrators|System Operator]] promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of [[MarioWiki:Bureaucrats|Bureaucrats]].
#If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
#No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.


The times are in [[wikipedia:GMT|GMT]], and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Monday night at 23:59 GMT, the deadline is the night of the Tuesday of the next week at 23:59 PM. If it is posted a minute later, the deadline is 23:59 PM of the Wednesday of the next week, since midnight is considered to be part of the next day, as 00:00 AM.
Using <code><nowiki>{{Dragon Quest}}</nowiki></code> on the ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' article will result in this:


===Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format===
{| class="nav-right noprint plainlinks" style="background:#d8d8e9;--darkbg:#001a33;border:1px solid #aae;--darkborder:#069;padding:2px"
This is an example how your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to <u>replace the whole variable including the squared brackets</u>, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".
| style="padding-right:10px" | [[File:Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png|x40px]]
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| The [[dragonquest:Main Page|Dragon Quest Wiki]] has an article on '''[[dragonquest:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'''.
<nowiki>===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===</nowiki><br>
|}
<nowiki>[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]</nowiki>


<nowiki>'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br></nowiki><br>
Using <code><nowiki>{{Dragon Quest|Slime}}</nowiki></code> on the [[Slime (Dragon Quest)|Slime (''Dragon Quest'')]] article will result in this:
<nowiki>'''Voting start''': [insert a voting start time here, f.e. "2 January, 2010, 14:00". Voting start times are 24 hours after the time at which the proposal was posted, as described in Rule 2 above.]<br></nowiki><br>
<nowiki>'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the voting start, at 23:59 GMT.]</nowiki>


<nowiki>====Support====</nowiki><br>
{| class="nav-right noprint plainlinks" style="background:#d8d8e9;--darkbg:#001a33;border:1px solid #aae;--darkborder:#069;padding:2px"
<nowiki>#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]</nowiki>
| style="padding-right:10px" | [[File:Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png|x40px]]
| The [[dragonquest:Main Page|Dragon Quest Wiki]] has an article on '''[[dragonquest:Slime|Slime]]'''.
|}


<nowiki>====Oppose====</nowiki>
Credit for the similar text to the one from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/66#Create The Cutting Room Floor link template|here]] goes to [[User:Bro Hammer|Bro Hammer]] for use on this proposal.


<nowiki>====Comments====</nowiki>
'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
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'''Deadline''': June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.


To support, or oppose, just insert "<nowiki>#{{User|[add your username here]}}</nowiki> at the bottom of the  section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".
====Support: A Template Draws Near!====
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal.


__TOC__
====Oppose: The Template Started to Run Away.====
#{{User|Arend}} Personally, I don't really see a point as to why ''specifically'' the Dragon Quest Wiki would get their own "link box template" (for the lack of a better term), when other themed wikis don't, with the NIWA wikis in particular having to share {{tem|NIWA}} instead having their own "link box template" as well. One would think it's a better idea if we had a template similar to {{tem|NIWA}} instead, but for all the non-NIWA wikis instead; though even then, there isn't really anything special to those wikis, so it's not even necessary to put them in a "link box template" when a normal list of external links works too. True, the Dragon Quest Wiki ''is'' in this weird position of it being a former NIWA wiki, but I still don't think it's a good idea by making it seem ''more special'' than other NIWA wikis by giving it its own exclusive template while the ACTUAL wikis on NIWA have to share {{tem|NIWA}}, when factually speaking, the Dragon Quest Wiki is ''on a lower level than the NIWA wikis'', affiliate-wise. Also, people on the Super Mario Wiki Discord claim that there even is already a "link box template" for specifically this wiki, but I cannot verify that.
#{{User|YoYo}} Per arend
#{{User|1468z}} Per all. We could just link to the wiki in an External links section like we already do with non-NIWA wikis like Sonic Retro.
#{{User|Hewer}} Wikipedia and The Cutting Room Floor both have more direct overlap with this wiki's coverage due to not being tied to a specific franchise, so I think they make more sense to have their own templates. Meanwhile, the only times we'd have any coverage overlap with Dragon Quest Wiki would be when the franchises specifically cross over with each other, so there's less of a use for it. For those cases, we can just put the links in the "External links" section like normal, as we do with Sonic and Rayman crossovers.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all, Arend especially. If we had a box like these for all non-NIWA wikis, it would get extremely annoying, fast; Wikipedia and TCRF are exceptions considering their prevalence, and are by no means the norm for this.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
#{{User|Salmancer}} Per all.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|Altendo|Altendo Quest}} Per all.
#{{User|PanchamBro}} Even disregarding my uncomfortable and complex feelings with Dragon Quest Wiki at the moment, I find it very unnecessary to make a link box template just for a non-NIWA wiki that doesn't hold any special value like Wikipedia or TCRF does.
#{{User|Nelsonic|Nelsonic Quest III HD-2D Remake}} Per all.


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====Dragon Quest Comments====


===Create "catch-all" Mario Sports (series) article===
{{early notice|June 1, 2025}}
This article would include the games listed in the [[Mario & Sonic (series)]], [[Mario Golf (series)]], [[Mario Tennis (series)]], [[Mario Strikers (series)]], and [[Super Mario Stadium (series)]] articles. It would also include ''[[Mario Hoops 3-on-3]]'', and ''[[Mario Sports Mix]]''. Although I would not prefer it, the [[Mario Kart (series)]], Pinball games ([[Pinball]], [[VS. Pinball]], [[Mario Pinball Land]]) and [[Famicom Grand Prix (series)]] could be included as well. The reason for doing this would be to create a way for users to see all the sports games without having to go through the hassle of having to know every sports game featuring Mario in their head before searching and could instead find them all in one "catch-all" article. A proposal passed for creating a "catch-all" Poltergust article and that has less merit than this in my opinion, so I don't think it'd be too wild to do this. To clarify, the series and game articles mentioned would still be separate but there would be a new article to access all of the sports series and game articles in one place.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Pizza Master}}<br>'''Deadline''': June 8, 2025, 23:59 GMT


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====Support (not including Mario Kart, Famicom GP, and Pinball games)====
#{{User|Pizza Master}} preferred.
====Support (including Kart, FGP, and Pinball)====
#{{User|Pizza Master}} secondary.
====Support (including Kart and FGP but not Pinball)====
#{{User|Pizza Master}} per Arend's comment.
====Oppose====
#{{User|Technetium}} Why do we need this? It's not like we have one for the RPG games either. That and the whole "do we include ''Mario Kart''" debate.
#{{User|Salmancer}} For a list, [[List of games by genre]] has you covered. For commenting on patterns in Mario adaptations of sports, we have [[Genre]]. I'm not seeing this one.
#{{User|Xiahou Ba, The Nasty Warrior}} Per all.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all, especially Salmancer; we already have genre-centric lists, so this isn't really necessary.
#{{User|Nelsonic}} Per all. I do not believe Nintendo considers these to fall under a singular ''Mario Sports'' banner, as the only two games to use that name are ''[[Mario Sports Mix]]'' and ''[[Mario Sports Superstars]]'', which feature their own versions of sports that got their own game series.
#{{User|Hewer}} I think it's inaccurate to act like all these games are part of one "Mario Sports series". Sports games are just a common genre that many Mario games share. For what it's worth, Nintendo lists Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Strikers all as individual series on [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/en/history/index.html Mario Portal], not as one collective Mario Sports series. I honestly think you could make a better case to do this for the RPGs than the sports games, since some of those at least have more direct connections to one another (not that I'd support that either).
#[[User:Altendo|''Altendo & Sonic'']] ([[User talk:Altendo|series]]) Per ''Technetium Golf'' (series), ''Salmancer Tennis'' (series), ''Xiahou Ba Strikers'' (series), ''Super Camwoodstock Stadium'' (series), ''Nelsonic Hoops 3-on-3'', and ''Hewer Sports Mix''.
#{{User|Rykitu|''MarioWiki users at the Olympic Games Paris 2024''}} Per all.
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy|Kaptain Skurvy Sports Mix}} Per all.


==Talk Page Proposals==
====Comments====
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.
I can understand go-karting and formula 1 racing be included, but how in the heck is ''pinball'' of all things a sport?! That's like calling arcade games such as skee-ball a sport! {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:12, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
 
:When looking at the sports games Mario has appeared in on Wikipedia, it mentioned [[Pinball]] and [[Mario Pinball Land]] as sports games. I don't agree with that but some people consider Poker to be a sport so yea. -- [[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]])
===How To===
::A pinball video game is a simulation of the real world activity of pinball. It could count. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 16:27, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
#All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages effected must be mentioned in the ''brief'' description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "({{fakelink|Discuss}})". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{tem|fakelink}} to communicate its title. The '''Deadline''' must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{tem|TPP}} under the heading.
:::{{@|Technetium}} {{@|Salmancer}} We don't need a catch-all for the Poltergust either but people wanted it anyway. Why should this be different? Regarding the RPG games, there are only 3 series of RPGs but many series of sports games. In option one, there are 5 series + 2 basketball games, in option two there are 7 + basketball, and in option three there are 8 + basketball. Regarding the List of games by genre, most users looking to find information on particular series aren't going to instinctually look that up and more than likely will type in something more common. Also, what one thinks on whether the real-life Pinball should be considered a sport will guide whether one thinks Pinball should be included in this catch-all article.-- [[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]])
#All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
::::"Mario Sports" can redirect to [[List of games by genre#Sports]], thus solving the community held nickname problem. Genre (the article) is already trying to count up all of the real world sports seen in Mario, and failing because the Olympic Games makes it hard to quantify. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 17:14, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
#Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. There is no 24 hour delay between the posting of a talk page proposal and the commencement of voting.
::::How exactly is Poltergust comparable whatsoever? We have an article covering various iterations of a recurring fictional object, so we should also have an article providing an overview of multiple loosely related series of sports games? I completely fail to see the analogy here. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:50, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
#Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer if both the support ''and'' the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
#The talk page proposal '''must''' pertain to the article it is posted on.
 
===List of Talk Page Proposals===
*Split [[Tinga]] and [[Inga]] ([[Talk:Tinga and Inga#Split Tinga and Inga|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': October 14th, 2010, 23:59 GMT.
*Use DPL Table for failed Featured Article Nominations ([[MarioWiki talk:Featured Articles#Talk Page Proposal: DPL Table|Discuss]]) '''Deadline:''' October 13th, 2010, 3:00 UCT
 
==New Features==
''None at the moment''


==Removals==
==Removals==
''None at the moment.
''None at the moment.''


==Changes==
==Changes==
''None at the moment.''
===Split every song from the "List of (show) songs" articles===
 
{{Early notice|May 31, 2025}}
==Miscellaneous==
<small>(Yes, I am aware this might sound like a crazy idea, but hear me out.)</small>
 
===Making a Power Glove article===
I think we should make a article for the failed accessorie, the power glove. We have a article for the Atari 2600 and the Virtual boy, so why not make a power glove article. I will put in codes the players need to use to play the games.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Fuzzipede27}}<br>
'''Voting start''': 25 September, 2010, 10:00 GMT<br>
'''Deadline''': 2 October, 2010, 10:00 GMT.<br>
 
====Support====
#{{User|Fuzzipede27}} Per proposal
#{{User|Tomz123}} What would a Super Mario Wiki without those kinds of stuff?


====Oppose====
Many of the ''Mario'' cartoons, like ''[[Super Mario World (television series)|Super Mario World]]'' and ''[[Donkey Kong Country (television series)|Donkey Kong Country]]'' incorporate songs into their episodes, and we cover all of those songs by lists. It's a pretty good way to store those songs...but...recently, I was gonna start adding lyrics from other languages to some ''Donkey Kong Country'' songs, and I was thinking that if we include every language for every song, the lists will start getting really, REALLY long (Yes, I am aware some dubs didn't dub songs or episodes). And it's not like these songs don't have anything to talk about to warrant their own article. The articles could include a table of which dubs either include the song, dub the song, but shorten it, include the song, undubbed, or just flat-out don't include the song. ''Donkey Kong Country'' also has some interesting facts that could also be noted on their pages, "[[Pirate's Scorn]]" and "[[I'm Gonna Be a Star]]" airing on [[Musitoon]], "[[Monkey Business]]"'s "transition" variant on [[Pure West]]'s website, and Alestorm's cover of "Pirate's Scorn." There's definitely enough information for ''Donkey Kong Country'' songs to be split, and I don't see why this can't be applied to all of the other ''Mario'' cartoons.
#{{User|Reversinator}} Atari 2600 and Virtual Boy are consoles that had Mario titles. The Power Glove is an accessory that didn't have any Mario games specifically made for it.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Unless the power glove have any sort of Mario stuff on it, we are supposed to cover Mario-related content, not Nintendo content in general.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per all.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Per all. Zero signing out.
#{{user|Basurao Pokabu Waribiaru Zeburaika Zuruguu A}} At Tomz123, it would be the Super Mario Wiki. Not making an appearance in any Mario game (besides cameo) or Super Smash Bros. game makes it not notable.
#{{User|Smasher 101}}Per all.
#{{User|Booderdash}} Per all
#{{User|JF}} Mario has, like, nothing to do with the Power Glove.
#{{User|Frostyfireyoshi}} "I LOVE THE POWER GLOVE!! IT'S SO ...totally non-Mario." The only connections are Nintendo & that awesome film, ''The Wizard''.
#{{User|Mechayoshi}}per all. It's not mario at all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} About as Mario-related as Snooki. Per all.
#{{User|Nerfman2227}} Per all.
#{{User|Emperor Yoshi}} Well, the Power Glove has absolutely nothing to do with Mario, other than the fact it was made by Nintendo, which is not a good enough reason for an article.
#{{User|Superboo922}} People are being really repetative here so... Per all.
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} The Power Glove has nothing to do with Mario.


====Comments====
'''Proposer''': {{User|Kaptain Skurvy}}<br>'''Deadline''': June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT
Did the Power Glove have any Mario games made for it period? I don't care about new ones, were any games made for the power glove that featured Mario or one of the Mario characters? {{User|Marioguy1}}
:The Wikipedia article doesn't say anything about Mario at all, so no. {{User|Reversinator}}
::Were there any Mario games that had used the power glove as an item/feature/cameo/etc? {{User|LeftyGreenMario}}
:::No. {{User|MrConcreteDonkey}}
::::I am Zero! @LGM Fail. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
:::::@LGM I think there's a cameo of it in a WarioWare game, but that alone doesn't merit an article. {{User|Reversinator}}


I don't even know hat a Power Glove is. Can someone explain it to me? {{User|Commander Code-8}}
====Time to make like the banana and split! (Support)====
:@CC-8: I'm sure that nobody here can explain better than [[wikipedia:Power Glove|wikipedia does]]. {{User|Marioguy1}}
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Altendo|Al smoothie}} We already have [[peaches]], it's time to add bananas to the smoothie.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} one more step towards covering music better!
#{{User|Tails777}} Per EvieMaybe. I'd like to kinda rework how we cover music overall, but this is indeed a good step in the right direction.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} If having very long lists hinders coverage, it's better to split.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Our music coverage is already a tad strange, and a split like this is a step in the right direction. You could be somebody's hero with this.
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Given I'm the guy who made the [[DDR: Mario Mix]] song articles, I'm very in favor of this kind of thing. <small>Heck, I've been trying to figure out how to justify making Donkey Konga song articles for a while now...</small>
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Yeah, sure, why not?
#{{User|Pseudo}} Better music coverage is always appreciated!


===And You are.....?===
====This idea should slip on a banana peel! (Oppose)====
I just notice in some sections of articles, they refer to the game by an abbreviation (''SSBB'' is an example) or by another name usually just a shorten version of the game title (''Brawl'' another example). So we should have this settled once and for all, should we refer to Video game titles only by there full name in mainspace or still refer them by their abbreviations?


'''Proposer''': {{User|Zero777}}<br>
====Comments Seer, Comments Do (Comments)====
'''Voting start''': 28 September, 2010, 21:30<br>
'''Deadline''': 4 October, 2010, 21:30


====Use Full Names====
===Allow creation of pages for officially named music tracks===
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! It won't be that much work, it will just be every time you see one just change it to its full name, no problem. And it will avoid confusion to visitors who are '''very''' new to the Mario series. Zero signing out.
{{early notice|June 1, 2025}}
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Not everyone knows what those abbreviations mean. It's always better to write it out the long way.
Our coverage of music on the wiki is... not great. Currently, pages for music tracks are limited to ones that are deemed recurring (appearing in 8 or more things), and if it falls out of that criteria, creating a page isn't allowed. We have a lot of inconsistent decisions on the wiki right now, but this might be one of the most confusing to an uninformed editor. Imagine you see "World 1 Map (Grass Land)" from ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' has a page, and that "World 2 Map (Desert Land)" doesn't. You might think that's a gap in the wiki's coverage, and decide to create that page... Except you can't, because we have very specific guidelines to determine why some tracks are notable enough to get a page and others aren't. In my opinion, this is one of the biggest coverage disparities on the wiki.
#{{User|LuigiMania}} Per LGM.
#{{User|Mechayoshi}} Per Zero
#{{User|Supershroom}} Abbreviations aren't their real names. It's like calling Luigi 'Weegee'. Mabye.
#{{User|WigglerWhoopin'Warrior135}} Per Marioguy1 (In comments)
#{{User|Fuzzipede27}} Per all.
#{{User|Smasher 101}} Per all.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Per Zero777. Using abbreviations is just plain laziness.
#{{User|Photo4}} Per Zero777 and LGM. Plus if it isn't the thing's real name, what's the point of informing people about the false thing?
#{{User|T.c.w7468}} Per all.
{{User:Cosmic Blue Toad/per}}
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} IMO using abbreviations will make the writing unprofessional and less encyclopedic. Sometimes I don't even know what the abbreviations stand for. Also, look at "M&SOWG" (Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games). If you're not sure what game the article is talking about, you might not be sure what that stands for right away (I find it a little confusing myself at times).


====Keep Using Abbreviations====
And here's the thing, our current guidelines have very little to back them up as something to be set in stone. We're limited to recurring tracks because [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/52#Create_pages_with_renditions_of_recognizable_music_themes|the original proposer didn't feel knowledgeable enough to make lots of music pages]], which is totally fair! (The wording of "I want to start something of this kind" implies to me that the expectation was always we'd eventually push farther though, yeah?) And we determine what's recurring by 8 appearances because it's an arbitrarily chosen number. To the hypothetical user who wants to know why "World 2 Map (Desert Land)" can't have a page for some reason, I don't think this holds up to much scrutiny. That proposal was made in 2018 as square one, but we're still there.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} It would be a lot of work to track down and remove all abbreviations, and it would be alright if they were kept, but only if the article states the abbreviation first. Such as "''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', often abbreviated ''SSBB''..." at the beginning of the article.
#{{User|Nerfman2227}} Oh man. It would just be too much work to keep listing the entire name for every time it is referenced. A few titles like SSBM, SSBB, and some of the Mario vs Donkey Kong games come to mind.
#[[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]] per bowser luma
#{{User|Tomz123}} Per Bowser Luma.
#{{User|DaisyRox02}} Per Bowser's Luma. Who wants to make a link that says "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games" all the time?
#{{User|Superboo922}} Per all.


====Comments====
So here's my proposal, and it's a biggie: '''allow the creation of pages for music tracks that have been officially named'''. Basically, anything that's ever been in an in-game sound test, soundtrack release, Nintendo Music, sheet music book, or something like that. Internal names do not count for the scope of this proposal, it needs to be something that Nintendo intended to be public-facing.
Full names in articles, abbreviations on talk pages. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:We already have a rule on this. Full names go in articles. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
::Well then, this proposal is proposing something that has been proposed and passed previous to this proposal. {{User|Marioguy1}}


I won't be voting in this because my view is that something should only be shorted/abbrieviated if it's already been mentioned. {{User|Commander Code-8}}
'''This will not do away with the recurring themes guideline entirely.''' I don't really want to mess with it right now, and whether it's still beneficial if this proposal passes is something we can address separately at a later date. The recurring themes guideline will continue to handle the following cases:
*Classifying certain themes as recurring and giving them the appropriate category and navbox. I think this is still potentially useful to have.
*Arrangements of existing themes. If a specific arrangement meets the recurring criteria on its own (e.g. "[[Slider]]"), it will get its own page, otherwise it's merged with the original theme. This is how we handle these already, so no change here.
*Pages for unnamed themes. If a music track has never officially been named, it needs to meet the current recurring criteria to be considered notable enough to have a conjecturally named page.


*{{User|M&SG}} - Abbreviations should only be used when the game's full name is shown BEFORE the abbreviation is used.  That way, people won't get too confused.
As for a few questions I'm anticipating:
:I believe that things should never be abbreviated, it will not kill you to write the entire title and improve clarification and understanding within the article. And @ all those opposing because it's "too much work", this is an easy task, it will probably be done in under a month after this proposal passes (maybe even a week if people work dilligently). {{User|Marioguy1}}
*'''Won't this result in a lot of short articles?''' Some of these articles will be shorter, yes. I personally don't think this is much of an issue, a shorter article is fine in my view as long as it's comprehensive about the subject. There are things worth talking about regarding these besides where they play in the game, such as [[Ground_BGM_(Super_Mario_Bros.)#Composition|their composition]].
*'''Won't this result in a ''lot'' of articles?''' Yes! If we're trying to cover the ''Mario'' franchise to the best of our ability, I don't see why this is a problem.
*'''Will this cause copyright problems?''' As far as I can tell, no. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, which is also owned by Porplemontage, has full comprehensive coverage of that series' musical themes. Some of our other NIWA affiliates have similarly strong music coverage.


[[MarioWiki:Manual of Style#Naming an Article]] - look at the last paragraph. So now shouldn't we all be using full names to begin with? {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
To be clear, this proposal is not ''specifically'' to create all of these articles (otherwise it'll probably sit unimplemented until the end of time), rather to relax our guidelines a bit to allow these articles to be created eventually. If someone makes a well-written article, it doesn't really make sense to delete it for falling outside of limits that are arbitrary and not communicated very well.
:That applies only to article titles...this proposal will close all loopholes. {{User|Marioguy1}}


I am Zero! @ChillGuy Writing down the game's name is your own personal thing to do but nothing will change on the search, you can still type down "SSBB" and still be redirected to the Super Smash Bros. Brawl article if this proposal pass, so your vote is invalid. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
'''Proposer''': {{User|Waluigi Time}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 8, 2025, 23:59 GMT


Who cares if it's been a propsosal before. Maybe the outcome will be different. Like I said above, who the heck wants to make an incredibly long link every time they create the link?{{User|DaisyRox02}}
====Music to my ears (Support)====
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal.
#{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Per.
#{{User|Technetium}} As long as the resulting articles are large enough to warrant their existence. Or maybe some of the shorter ones could be merged into larger articles, based on, for example, shared motifs?
#{{User|Tails777}} '''Strong support.''' The way we currently cover music has been on my mind a lot lately. This at least helps further justify a few music articles we currently have beyond their "recurring" nature (Waluigi Pinball has an article largely because the ''Brawl'' rendition appears in three games and ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' is being treated as a separate thing from ''Mario Kart 8'', which really feels like cheating considering ''MK8D'' is a port.)
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} I may not have voted on the original proposal, but I did support [https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Clarify_and_expand_coverage_of_recurring_musical_themes| ToxicOJ's proposal], and this is just as good as that. (There's still the whole "PAL on NTSC" vs "NTSC on NTSC" vs "PAL on PAL" vs "NTSC on PAL"/"PAL on Toploader" thing from that proposal that could probably have its own proposal, but that's a whole other topic)
#{{User|Hewer}} Something I like about Inkipedia is how thorough its music coverage is, it'd be great to see this wiki do similar. The "recurring themes" system we've had so far has been decent, but 8 is a completely arbitrary number of appearances, it's not really clear whether things like soundtrack releases count as separate appearances, and it also means music coverage for newer games is really imbalanced with that of older games (like, most of the Super Mario Bros. 3 soundtrack qualifies for articles, while Super Mario Odyssey only has [[Fossil Falls (theme)|Fossil Falls]], one of its main themes, and even that only just managed to scrape past the requirement after a whole console generation's worth of time). And honestly, I've always found it a little odd how tracks with lyrics just get a free pass to have articles no matter how many appearances they have. The solution of doing away with that minimum number of appearances is much more simple, consistent, and fun. The wiki would cover a character or item that only appears in one game, so why should music be different?
#{{User|Altendo|Altendo Music}} Per all, but particularly Technetium.
#{{User|Ahemtoday}} Per proposal. Lots of big news on the music coverage front, huh?
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per all. I'd really like this wiki to cover music more thoroughly.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} per
#{{User|Kaptain Skurvy}} Sounds good to me!
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} [https://youtu.be/6k6IzQmTq1A?feature=shared Music S.T.A.R.T]
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This is extremely overdue. Honestly, we've had thoughts about this ever since we discovered ''[[Super Mario Bros. Special (album)|Super Mario Bros. Special]]'' (the album, NOT the game), and discovered it's an album that, apparently, has an overarching narrative in its lyrics. Having those translated and the story summarized on the article would be one, pretty nice, thing. Having individual pages to give proper transcripts and individual summaries on a per-song basis would be VERY nice.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} I can see a fair amount of use for this. Explaining which tracks are associated with certain characters, lifting leitmotifs and references, smaller cases of tracks being rearranged between games (''Sticker Star'' and ''Color Splash'' have a lot), and maybe someone more musically inclined than me could go into instruments used and BPM. Media lists also need more love and I'm hoping this encourages their creation.
#{{User|Sorbetti}} Per music.
#{{User|Polley001}} I do share some concern that pages might be created without a sufficient amount of content, but by and large I'm all for increasing our music coverage. The 8 appearance rule was rather arbitrary and I generally don't feel that amount of appearances  should universally determine how worthy a track is of receiving an article.


:If someone doesn't know what the abreviation means, they can just roll-over the link and the roll-over text'll show what the link is.(direct comment to LGM){{User|DaisyRox02}}
====I don't like the sound of that (Oppose)====
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} i hate to have to vote against a proposal touching on a subject i very much agree with, but i don't think this is the way to go. this works for some franchises, but ''Super Mario'' is absolutely not the kind of franchise this works for. just lifting the barrier and giving editors carte-blanche to create a bunch of scattered little music track pages just because they have an OST release with names seems like a very poor way of both organizing a wiki and analyzing a game's soundtrack. if this proposal allowed for the creation of pages about a game's ''entire soundtrack'', with sections for each track, i would vote for it in a heartbeat. as is? the rules after this passes will be needlessly open ended and result in a lot of work that will then have to be undone when we try to organize things further. it's just poorly thought-out.
#{{User|Salmancer}} I'm going against my principles of favoring more articles here, but I'm with Evie on this. If song article creation becomes open-season, I have a hunch people are going to rush out to fill the quota and we're going to end up with a lot of listicles that technically aren't stubs but also aren't interesting to read. This hunch is based on how many of our current theme articles lack "Composition" sections for their base forms, and how many of the articles have sections for arrangements without having a single sentence in any section for what that section's arrangement actually changed about the song. Mind you, the existing articles are for songs that have eight or more appearances and are therefore more likely to have primary source materials to utilize. If we can't manage to make solid articles off those, then I have low hopes for the flood of articles that will come from this proposal passing doing much better.


===The prefix "List of"===
====Comments (I ran out of jokes)====
There are 166 lists on the wiki. 105 have the prefix "List of". The rest don't. We need concistency. Either we remove List of, or we add list of. I prefer removing it, because list of is unnecessary. While some of you might argue that people wouldn't know what is a list and what isn't, most of the articles that have list of are articles that people would expect to be lists.
You say anything that's in an in-game sound test, so this would mean articles for every track in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team through Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, Paper Mario: Color Splash through The Thousand-Year Door remake, and even the games in Super Mario 3D All Stars. That would definitely get very excessive especially with a lot of the tracks in those games not playing very often. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 14:11, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
:Yes, that's the case. I don't see it as "excessive", personally, I already acknowledged that this would open us up to a lot of articles but I don't see that as being detrimental to the wiki at all. Music is an important part of the franchise and I think we ought to have better ways to cover it than we currently do - so many tracks have their history scattered across various pages because they haven't hit that magic eight or just aren't covered well at all. "The Grand Finale" is an iconic and beloved track, for example, but if I search that name I'm just redirected to the BJJ sound test where it says that it "Plays during the battle against Dark Bowser and Dark Star Core." and nothing else. Where can I read about differences in composition for the remake, or that it was in Smash, or what it's called in other languages? If I wanted to write an article about that, it would be deleted on the spot right now. Maybe it could be a section on Dark Bowser's article, but I'm not fond of having music coverage tucked away in odd places like that and not every track lends itself to that. Having articles for one-off tracks is a price I'm more than willing to pay for better coverage in this area (and, honestly, I still think those articles would be beneficial). I'm open to alternatives though, really I'm just looking for any improvement at all right now and I think ripping off the arbitrary limits bandage is the best way to do that. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 14:38, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
::Very well then, but what about the "thinking" versions of battle themes from The Origami King and The Thousand-Year Door? Would those have seperate articles as well or be covered in the base theme's article? There's several other tracks in these games that progressively gain more instruments as the game goes on but with each version listed seperately in the music player such as Origami King's Toad Town theme. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 20:45, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
:::The thinking versions and other variants would be considered arrangements and be merged with the base tracks (unless they somehow appeared enough times on their own, which I doubt will ever happen). --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:07, May 26, 2025 (EDT)


'''Proposer''': {{User|Reversinator}}<br>
I don't oppose this, personally. I was the one who suggested the "eight minimum" rule in the first place to be cautious, but ultimately, it functioned more as a way to edge in coverage of a subject that was lacking such at the time. Now we ''do'' cover this sort of subject, and perhaps that rule is no longer needed. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:14, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
'''Voting start''': October 1, 1:04 PM<br>
'''Deadline''': October 7, 23:59 GMT


====Remove "List of" from all lists====
Okay, a question I have: how do we decide on a name to use for tracks that have multiple? Currently, it seems like names attached to the original appearance of a theme are higher priority than newer appearances (like "[[The Toad Brigade]]" instead of "It's Captain Toad!", and [[Slot Game BGM / Memory Game BGM|this track]] was never renamed to "Quizzy-Question Wonder" in the several months between that name and the current name appearing). This is unlike how our naming policy for other subjects prefers newer names, though I guess you could make the argument that a live service like Nintendo Music is treated differently for the purpose of figuring out the most recent name. Perhaps something should be added to [[MarioWiki:Naming]] about this. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:38, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
#{{User|Reversinator}} Per me.
:That's... a good question. It's out of the scope of this proposal, but seems like something we should have a greater discussion about down the road. (For the slots theme, you can at least make the argument that the SMB3 tracks on Nintendo Music weren't added until after SMBW? No such luck for the Toad Brigade theme though.) For my two cents, I think I would prefer to stick with the title that applies to the theme's original context, but like you say that's not consistent with current naming elsewhere... --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:07, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
#{{User|SWFlash}} Per Reversinator.
:The draft proposal [[MarioWiki talk:Proposals#Proposal for defining musical theme name formatting policies|Proposal for defining musical theme name formatting policies]] would define naming policies. To revise the proposed policy further, musical themes would take names from any form of release of their source work's soundtrack. The source work can be defined as the first ''Super Mario''-related media to feature the theme. If the musical theme is attributed to another work within the first-released work, the attributed work is the source work instead. The soundtrack can be released with a name within the source work's [[Category:Sound tests|sound test]], an official soundtrack, a work containing an official soundtrack (such as ''[[Super Mario 3D All-Stars]]''), or [[Nintendo Music]]. If a name is not found from those sources, then a name from a later work can be used. Under this criteria, localization changes such as correcting "Koopa's Road" to "[[Bowser's Road]]" would be possible without the issue of renaming "[[Bonus Game BGM]]" to "Break Time! Tunes 1". [[User:B700465189a9|B700465189a9]] ([[User talk:B700465189a9|talk]]) 12:52, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
#{{User|DaisyRox02}} - Well, it's a no-brainer that they're lists. If it's got a bunch of links on one page, it's a list. In other words, per proposal.
::I agree that music tracks should gear towards their original context. While I know this doesn't have its own article, as it's a variation of the Invincibility theme, it would be a bit off putting and misleading if "Metallic Mario" was named "Zappy-Zone Wonder", a name that is indeed a rendition of Metal Mario's theme, but not a name that has anything to do with Metal Mario as a whole. I believe this should be a case where the original name is maintained, as remixed/arranged themes can play for situations that are completely different than their original intention and that could get confusing when someone wants a certain theme, but has to look up a name that has nothing to do with what or where it played for. {{User:Tails777/sig}}16:22, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
:::That makes enough sense for different versions of tracks, but the two examples I picked out in my comment ("It's Captain Toad!" and "Quizzy-Question Wonder") are just re-uses of the original track under a different name, so it's a bit trickier. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:24, May 26, 2025 (EDT)


====Add "List of" to all lists====
Would these pages have images? I think it would make sense to be our own [[Nintendo Music]] and have a screenshot of a level or scene where the song plays, just for some visual association. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 18:46, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
#{{User|Frostyfireyoshi}} Per Vellidragon's comment below. Also, if 105 list pages have "List of" in their name, then surely it would be easier to add that to the remaining few list pages instead of taking it off the page title?
:The specifics of these pages aren't covered in this proposal. Our current music articles are pretty barren visually, but I would like to see some improvement on that. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:42, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
#{{user|Tucayo}} - Per vellidragon
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} The easiest way to be productive is what we want, so per Vellidragon.
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per comments
#{{User|Vellidragon}} - Per my comment.
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} This wouldn't work that well. Example: The List of Implied characters would just be called Implied Characters. Per all
#{{User|Emperor Yoshi}} Well, the list of implied locations' name, if this were to happen, would be not self explanatory, and people that have came here after this proposal will not know what the page is at firs look which is a bad thing, we need people to be able to look at the page name and know what the page is about.
#{{User|Smasher 101}} Per all,especially Vellidragon.
#{{User|T.c.w7468}} Per Vellidragon's comment below and all.


====Leave the list titles alone====
@Camwoodstock: I'm pretty sure the tracks from that album could technically already get pages even without this proposal, since songs with lyrics seem to bypass the "recurring" criteria. [[18 x 13]], for instance, has an article despite making only one appearance. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:14, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
:I think "is an obtainable item" is an outright bypass, as per [[Work Those Muscles!]] and friends being Records in Warioware Gold. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 21:25, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
::Right, bad example. [[Break Free (Lead the Way)]], then. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:33, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
:::...See, we assumed there could maybe be a precedent just because of [[Ignorance is Bliss]], but we guess that works. It'd be nice to have it set-in-stone that you can give individual songs in an album articles outside of stuff like that, though. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 01:12, May 27, 2025 (EDT)


====Comments====
I went through all 111 pages on [[Template:Themes]] to find articles which fail to meet both of my criteria: having no textual data about how the original sounds and no textual data about what any one of the arrangements do to change the original. For the purposes of this, noting the song is shorter did not count as noting a change to the arrangement, but noting the variable mix properties used for every song in a specific game did count. There are six outright failures: [[Gusty Garden Galaxy (theme)]], [[Luma (theme)]] ("additional instrumentation" did not pass), [[Waltz of the Boos]], [[Castle Theme (Super Mario 3D Land)]], [[Fossil Falls (theme)]], and [[Hello, Happy Kingdom]]. In hindsight, allowing shared variable mix properties is way too generous, but that means there should be zero articles that qualify and not six. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 06:01, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
Imo, the "list of" parts make sense as a means of justifying the use of the plural in the article title, which is not normally allowed. It also makes it clear that the article doesn't just explain the concept of something; e.g. a "List of Games" lists games instead of just describing what games are; if it didn't have the "list of" part, a logical assumption would be that it does the latter.--{{User|Vellidragon}}
:Isn't the solution to articles being bad to improve them rather than to prevent their creation? While those articles certainly could be better than they are now, it's not like they're completely worthless in their current state, they still inform you of all the times that the theme has appeared. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:02, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
:I agree with Vellidragon, if the article is an article entitled (following his example) "Games", it is expected that the article will contain information on what games are, different gaming systems, etc.
::My take on this is that perfect is the enemy of good. I'll concede that a lot of our music articles are not in the best shape they can be. But I also think some coverage is better than no coverage - Gusty Garden Galaxy may be nowhere near featured article worthy, but it's already doing a lot to consolidate information on an iconic track that would be scattered around who knows how many articles otherwise, and I think that's useful to have and something our readers would be interested in even if the article isn't covering everything it should be yet. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:42, May 28, 2025 (EDT)


:However if the article is entitled "List of Games", it is expected that there will be a large list of all games which is what will actually be shown in the article. {{User|Marioguy1}}
Another question. What about songs that don't originate in the franchise? Will this proposal allow All Star from [[Donkey Konga 2]] to get a page? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:37, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
::Then what about pages like the Bestaries we have for the PM series and SMRPG? I mean, I do like the idea of being all the same, but still, it will be hard with some names to move. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}
:To be honest. I was lying in wait for some of the currently running proposals to pass so that I could make a proposal on that subject. If we have precedent for named songs getting articles, precedent for lists of songs being split, and ''especially'' [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Create_articles_for_Dance_Dance_Revolution:_Mario_Mix_songs|precedent for rhythm game songs being level equivalents and therefore requiring articles]], then everything lines up for Donkey Konga. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 11:22, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
:This doesn't include licensed tracks. That's pushing scope too much for my tastes and is kind of missing the point of why we're covering these tracks - if you wanted to know about All Star, there's plenty of other resources for those, but if we're not going to be covering ''Mario'' tracks, who will? Maybe if we somehow get to a point where every eligible track has a fully comprehensive page, we can consider having that discussion. For now, there's more important things to worry about, and I'd be a little concerned about our priorities if Take On Me had an article here while the majority of the Galaxy soundtrack was still missing pages. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:42, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
===Goombette===
Hey! Should ALL text in pages referring to Goombette as a "species" should referring to said charatcer as such a "character" instead?


===Character Pages Extras===
'''Proposer''': {{User|Wariowarefan100}}<br>
Alright, you can even look at the articles of [[Mario]], [[Luigi]], [[Peach]], and so on, to see that the pages are HUGE! In all, that is a very good thing that should be with all the info they have, but then you see the small sections known as the cartoons and comics area. Do we really need them to be on the main characters pages? I mean, we can't just toss it aside, but really...
'''Deadline''': June 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT


My proposal is not entirely deleting that info about the comics, cartoons, stories, and that stuff, but to move it to a different page. To show an example, for the comics that Mario has been in, we could make a page {{fakelink|Mario (comics)}} and be able to view all the comics Mario has been in and what his comic-counterpart is like. That will help with all the information from the animated stuff that differs greatly from the character's video game background.
====Goombette is a "species": This will make Goombette a "species"====
#{{User|Wariowarefan100}} I disagree with "species".


It might sound troubling at first, but think of it as just making another page for the character. We have [[Baby Mario]], [[Baby Luigi]], [[Baby Peach]], and so on, and they are just a younger form of the adult counterparts we have known for awhile. And on that topic, we even had a proposal before that wanted to separate some of the baby info from the video game since the cartoon made it seem like they appeared a lot earlier.
====Goombette is a "charatcer": This will make Goombette a "character"====
#{{User|Wariowarefan100}} I agree with "character".
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} ...Is this like, asserting [[Goombette]] is her own specific species separate from a Goomba? Like, ordinary Goombas and girl Goombas are different on a species level? That doesn't make a lick of sense.


Alright, I think I talked quite enough for the proposal statement, so just vote on what you think would be best for this wiki. I'm just saying though, that the pros are more pleasant and outnumbering than the cons for the benefits to the wiki.
====Disussion====
This would most likely be best handled as a talk page proposal on [[Talk:Goombette]]. {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 16:34, May 29, 2025 (EDT)


'''Proposer''': {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}<br>
What exactly is this proposal trying to do? You don't give any reasoning, and you voted for both contradictory options, which is against the rules. In those votes you seem to feel that Goombette should be considered a character, which... she already is. She is a Goomba.--[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 16:38, May 29, 2025 (EDT)
'''Voting start''': 3 October, 2010, 0:43 GMT<br>
'''Deadline''': 9 October, 2010, 23:59 GMT.<br>


====Support====
Goombette is whatever Nintendo decides. Some text in-game describes her as a character, she is listed as though she is an enemy species on Mario Portal, and multiple appear in the Sand Kingdom at once. There needs to be a "no change" option as well, since again, she's portrayed as a sort-of in-between, which is what we reflect. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:55, May 29, 2025 (EDT)
#{{User|Baby Mario Bloops}} - Per all the statements I have written above and below. :D
:I'm pretty sure the second option of saying she's a character IS the status quo option. And the double voting is merely just them saying they agree with one and they disagree with the other. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
#{{User|T.c.w7468}} Per proposal, I think that the comics, etc. are too off of the actual games (especially the movie) to be included in the same article.


====Oppose====
==Miscellaneous==
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} It's easier for them to all be together. If someone doesn't want to see them, they can easily skip those parts. We'd, as a result, have many useless stubs and also less FAs.
''None at the moment.''
#{{User|Cosmic Blue Toad}} per MrConcreteDonkey
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! There will come a limit where it needs to split into separate sub-articles, but I don't think we reached that point yet. Zero signing out.
#{{User|Superboo922}} Hey Baby Mario Bloops, there's this thing called the content box. I suggest that you use it. Per MrCD.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - This is like saying the dictionary is to wordy and then proposing they put all the nouns, verbs, adverbs and adjectives into separate books. Sure, the individual volumes may be smaller, but you still need all four to get around, and between them, there'd be even ''more'' pages when you take into account the quadrupled set of introductory and explanatory sections, publishing info, cover pages, and whatnot (one per "dictionary"). Granted, a lot of the larger pages ''do'' need work, but rather than hacking away at them with quick-fix solutions like this, we should shorten them by streamlining the text and cutting out little snippets of superfluous writing here and there (like how they shorten the definitions and remove the most obscure words to make pocket dictionaries), while at the same time developing the sections that need ''more'' info. Rewrites may take a lot of time and effort, but they make the wiki look much better and are well worth the work. Plus, as Glowsquid alluded to in the comments, the whole "canon" debate has become nothing more than a recurring little migraine for our wiki and the less we go poking at it, the better. Long story short, until Nintendo says the games, cartoons, comics, movies and books (and anything else they have or will throw at us) are all separate timelines or whatever, we have no choice but to treat them as one big mess of equal and truthful continuity, lest we delve into the realm of slippery-sloped speculation, which has no place on our (ideally) hard-facts-only database. It's not an ideal way to organize all our content, but it's the best we can do with what we've been given to work with.
#{{User|DaisyRox02}} Per Walkazo's really long comment right above. Of course they have to be on the same page as the characters! Why would you need to make a completely different link? It'll just create more stubs, and that's boring. Other than that, it's still information about the character.
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} Per Walkazo.
 
====Comments====
Has anyone else here seen the DC wiki? They have a similar thing that this proposal's talking about. There's one article for the mainstream comics character, and another for that character in a TV Show, Parallel universe etc. and it works pretty well. It wouldn't hurt to have the same thng happen here, Especially since we don't have much on the comics/cartoons. {{User|Commander Code-8}}
 
One other thing is that we might have to create some disambiguation pages so that these new articles can actually be found. Eg: The Mario disambiguation might have about 5, which could include the Cartoon, the comics and a seperate one for each film. My point is that we need to be able to make disambiguation pages. But it shouldn't be to much of a problem. {{User|Commander Code-8}}
 
The DC Wiki may do this, but at the same time, DC comics are much heavier on continuity than Mario, and some "alternate universe" versions are considered characters in their own right. It's not rare for Superman to meet one of his alternate-univere self, for  one. And the reason we have separate pages for the babies is that they're often seen at the same time as their adult counterparts (ex: The sport games, M&L: Pit) and thus are different characters.
 
The proposer says the character pages are huge, and while our amount of content certainly plays a part in that, the main reason is that they're honestly [http://a.imageshack.us/img717/1142/mario1c.jpg terribly] [http://a.imageshack.us/img525/9676/mario2x.jpg written], filled to the brim with wordcruft, tangents about the IRL impact of the games and summarising entire plot including the parts that aren't relevant to the character. Even the cartoon sections have that problem, describing damn near every episodes Mario appeared in, even though most of it is not relevant.
 
And though that's a silly reason, I'd like to avoid the inevitable headache ''if'' either [[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]] or [[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] come back, both of which were senior sysops really, really opposed to separating the cartoons and comics from the games. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 12:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, my point sort of came from looking at all the pages that Bulbapedia has. View it from that, as they have many characters their comics and cartoon counterparts. You could reason with them also about they could be the same person and so on and so forth. But see how sucessful that is with theirs, and we could do the same thing. We have a lot of agruements with the comics/cartoon and it deals greatly on this wiki, and this proposal is meant to be an alternative that will solve that problem. {{User|Baby Mario Bloops}}
:::I think the Mario article is too long but I don't think this is the way to go...we want our viewers to be able to find information on Mario by typing "Mario" into the search box. We don't want them to go looking through a whole bunch of Marios to find the Mario they want. It is our job to give them what they want with the least amount of work on their part, no matter how much work it is on ours. {{User|Marioguy1}}
::::Hey superboo! That's called the table of contents, I suggest you get your facts straight next time you try to make someone feel bad or it'll jump back at you :) {{User|Marioguy1}}
 
Geez, Superboo. You don't have to be so harsh about Baby Mario Bloops' proposal. At least he tried.{{User|DaisyRox02}}

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Basic proposal formatting

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===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}<br>
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

====[option title (e.g. Support, Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

====[option title (e.g. Oppose, Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

Autoconfirmed users will now be able to vote on your proposal. Remember that you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

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Poll proposal formatting

As an alternative to the basic proposal format, users may choose to create a poll proposal when one larger issue can be broken down into multiple subissues that can be resolved independently of each other. Poll proposals concerning multiple pages must have good justification for using the poll proposal format rather than individual talk page proposals or else will be canceled (for example, in the case of the princesses poll proposal, there are valid consistency concerns which make it worthwhile to consider these three articles simultaneously, but for routine article size splits, there is no need to abandon using standard TPPs for each).

In a poll proposal, each option is essentially its own mini-proposal with a deadline and suboption headings. A poll proposal can have a maximum of 20 options, and the rules above apply to each option as if it were its own proposal: users may vote on any number of options they wish, and individual options may close early or be extended separately from the rest. If an option fails to achieve quorum or reach a consensus after three extensions, then the status quo wins for that option by default. If all options fail, then nothing will be done.

To create a poll proposal, copy and paste the formatting below to get started; your username and the option deadlines will automatically be substituted when you save the page. Update the bracketed variables with actual information, and be sure to replace the whole variable including the square brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information" and not "[This is the inserted information]". 

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}}

====[option title (e.g. Option 1)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 2)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====[option title (e.g. Option 3)]: [brief summary of option]====
'''Deadline''': {{subst:#time:F j, Y|+2 weeks}}, 23:59 GMT

;Support
#{{User|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}}} Per proposal.

;Oppose

====Comments ([brief proposal title])====

For the purposes of the ongoing proposals list, a poll proposal's deadline is the latest deadline of any ongoing option(s). A poll proposal is archived after all of its options have settled, and it is listed as one single proposal in the archive. It is considered to have "passed" if one or more options were approved by voters (resulting in a change from the status quo), and it is considered to have "failed" if all options were rejected by voters and no change in the status quo was made.

Talk page proposals

Proposals concerning a single page or a limited group of pages are held on the most relevant talk page regarding the matter. All of the above proposal rules also apply to talk page proposals. Place {{TPP}} under the section's heading, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}. Proposals dealing with a large amount of splits, merges, or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{ongoing TPP}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, the proposal author(s), and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Deletions

Moves

Merges

Splits

Miscellaneous

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Standardize sectioning for Super Mario series game articles, Nintendo101 (ended July 3, 2024)
^ NOTE: Not yet integrated for the Super Mario Maker titles and Super Mario Run.
Use the classic and classic link templates when discussing classic courses in Mario Kart Tour, YoYo (ended October 2, 2024)
Split major RPG appearances of recurring locations, EvieMaybe (ended December 16, 2024)
Split Mario & Luigi badges and remaining accessories, Camwoodstock (ended February 1, 2025)
Merge intro/outro sections, rename Gameplay section to "Overview" for Mario Party minigame articles, ToxBoxity64 (ended March 1, 2025)
Allow English Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia names to be mentioned on articles where they are not the title, Hewer (ended March 27, 2025)
Change previous and next entries cell in infoboxes to include actual entry names and change directory link, Bro Hammer (ended April 18, 2025)
Make a guideline for covering generic subjects that have a recurring and recognizable design in the Mario series, Koopa con Carne (ended May 4, 2025)
Rework "References" sections, EvieMaybe (ended May 5, 2025)
Create a separate list for physical games, Nelsonic (ended May 20, 2025)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Allow separate articles for Diddy Kong Pilot (2003)'s subjects, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended August 3, 2024)
Create articles for specified special buildings in Super Mario Run, Salmancer (ended November 15, 2024)
Create a catch-all Poltergust article, Blinker (ended January 21, 2025)
Give the Cluck-A-Pop Prizes articles, Camwoodstock (ended January 31, 2025)
Split the Animal Crossing series (now Crossovers with Animal Crossing), Kaptain Skurvy (ended February 12, 2025)
Split the modes in the Battles page, Mario (ended February 15, 2025)
Split Super Mario Maker helmets from Buzzy Shell and Spiny Shell (red), PopitTart (ended March 12, 2025)
Split Super Luigi subjects into a dedicated list article, EvieMaybe (ended April 3, 2025)
Split Hammer (move) from Hammer, Blinker (ended April 10, 2025)
Deciding the fate of the last two episodes of Super Mario Maker 2 Challenges!, Rykitu (ended April 27, 2025)
Restore general coverage for Pyramid, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 9, 2025)
Split the Story Mode chapters from Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, Kaptain Skurvy (ended May 13, 2025)
Clean up Prohibited Command, PrincessPeachFan (ended May 13, 2025)
Move SMB3 info from Floor (block) to Floor, and move Floor (block) to Mario Bros. Block, PopitTart (ended May 21, 2025)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Create the Dragon Quest Wiki template

Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on May 31, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

This proposal is based on the previous proposal for creating The Cutting Room Floor template ({{TCRF}}). On December 11, 2022, the Dragon Quest Wiki was expelled from the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance due to controversies surround its new host, following inappropriate conduct on the part of that host. However, while "pre-release and unused content" articles link to TCRF, articles on Dragon Quest games and subjects that appear in the Super Mario franchise (i.e.: the Slime, Alefgard, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) and companies responsible for working on Dragon Quest games (i.e.: Square Enix) already link to the Dragon Quest Wiki quite often, so they are considered to-go wikis. As such, I humbly ask if there's a possibility to formalize the linking with the Dragon Quest Wiki template like both {{Wikipedia}} and {{TCRF}}.

Here's what the Dragon Quest Wiki template could look like.

Using {{Dragon Quest}} on the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate article will result in this:

Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png The Dragon Quest Wiki has an article on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

Using {{Dragon Quest|Slime}} on the Slime (Dragon Quest) article will result in this:

Dragon Quest Wiki icon.png The Dragon Quest Wiki has an article on Slime.

Credit for the similar text to the one from here goes to Bro Hammer for use on this proposal.

Proposer: GuntherBayBeee (talk)
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support: A Template Draws Near!

  1. GuntherBayBeee (talk) Per proposal.

Oppose: The Template Started to Run Away.

  1. Arend (talk) Personally, I don't really see a point as to why specifically the Dragon Quest Wiki would get their own "link box template" (for the lack of a better term), when other themed wikis don't, with the NIWA wikis in particular having to share {{NIWA}} instead having their own "link box template" as well. One would think it's a better idea if we had a template similar to {{NIWA}} instead, but for all the non-NIWA wikis instead; though even then, there isn't really anything special to those wikis, so it's not even necessary to put them in a "link box template" when a normal list of external links works too. True, the Dragon Quest Wiki is in this weird position of it being a former NIWA wiki, but I still don't think it's a good idea by making it seem more special than other NIWA wikis by giving it its own exclusive template while the ACTUAL wikis on NIWA have to share {{NIWA}}, when factually speaking, the Dragon Quest Wiki is on a lower level than the NIWA wikis, affiliate-wise. Also, people on the Super Mario Wiki Discord claim that there even is already a "link box template" for specifically this wiki, but I cannot verify that.
  2. YoYo (talk) Per arend
  3. 1468z (talk) Per all. We could just link to the wiki in an External links section like we already do with non-NIWA wikis like Sonic Retro.
  4. Hewer (talk) Wikipedia and The Cutting Room Floor both have more direct overlap with this wiki's coverage due to not being tied to a specific franchise, so I think they make more sense to have their own templates. Meanwhile, the only times we'd have any coverage overlap with Dragon Quest Wiki would be when the franchises specifically cross over with each other, so there's less of a use for it. For those cases, we can just put the links in the "External links" section like normal, as we do with Sonic and Rayman crossovers.
  5. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, Arend especially. If we had a box like these for all non-NIWA wikis, it would get extremely annoying, fast; Wikipedia and TCRF are exceptions considering their prevalence, and are by no means the norm for this.
  6. Technetium (talk) Per all.
  7. Salmancer (talk) Per all.
  8. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
  9. Altendo Quest (talk) Per all.
  10. PanchamBro (talk) Even disregarding my uncomfortable and complex feelings with Dragon Quest Wiki at the moment, I find it very unnecessary to make a link box template just for a non-NIWA wiki that doesn't hold any special value like Wikipedia or TCRF does.
  11. Nelsonic Quest III HD-2D Remake (talk) Per all.

Dragon Quest Comments

Create "catch-all" Mario Sports (series) article

Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on June 1, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

This article would include the games listed in the Mario & Sonic (series), Mario Golf (series), Mario Tennis (series), Mario Strikers (series), and Super Mario Stadium (series) articles. It would also include Mario Hoops 3-on-3, and Mario Sports Mix. Although I would not prefer it, the Mario Kart (series), Pinball games (Pinball, VS. Pinball, Mario Pinball Land) and Famicom Grand Prix (series) could be included as well. The reason for doing this would be to create a way for users to see all the sports games without having to go through the hassle of having to know every sports game featuring Mario in their head before searching and could instead find them all in one "catch-all" article. A proposal passed for creating a "catch-all" Poltergust article and that has less merit than this in my opinion, so I don't think it'd be too wild to do this. To clarify, the series and game articles mentioned would still be separate but there would be a new article to access all of the sports series and game articles in one place.

Proposer: Pizza Master (talk)
Deadline: June 8, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Support (not including Mario Kart, Famicom GP, and Pinball games)

  1. Pizza Master (talk) preferred.

Support (including Kart, FGP, and Pinball)

  1. Pizza Master (talk) secondary.

Support (including Kart and FGP but not Pinball)

  1. Pizza Master (talk) per Arend's comment.

Oppose

  1. Technetium (talk) Why do we need this? It's not like we have one for the RPG games either. That and the whole "do we include Mario Kart" debate.
  2. Salmancer (talk) For a list, List of games by genre has you covered. For commenting on patterns in Mario adaptations of sports, we have Genre. I'm not seeing this one.
  3. Xiahou Ba, The Nasty Warrior (talk) Per all.
  4. Camwoodstock (talk) Per all, especially Salmancer; we already have genre-centric lists, so this isn't really necessary.
  5. Nelsonic (talk) Per all. I do not believe Nintendo considers these to fall under a singular Mario Sports banner, as the only two games to use that name are Mario Sports Mix and Mario Sports Superstars, which feature their own versions of sports that got their own game series.
  6. Hewer (talk) I think it's inaccurate to act like all these games are part of one "Mario Sports series". Sports games are just a common genre that many Mario games share. For what it's worth, Nintendo lists Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, and Mario Strikers all as individual series on Mario Portal, not as one collective Mario Sports series. I honestly think you could make a better case to do this for the RPGs than the sports games, since some of those at least have more direct connections to one another (not that I'd support that either).
  7. Altendo & Sonic (series) Per Technetium Golf (series), Salmancer Tennis (series), Xiahou Ba Strikers (series), Super Camwoodstock Stadium (series), Nelsonic Hoops 3-on-3, and Hewer Sports Mix.
  8. MarioWiki users at the Olympic Games Paris 2024 (talk) Per all.
  9. Kaptain Skurvy Sports Mix (talk) Per all.

Comments

I can understand go-karting and formula 1 racing be included, but how in the heck is pinball of all things a sport?! That's like calling arcade games such as skee-ball a sport! ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 16:12, May 25, 2025 (EDT)

When looking at the sports games Mario has appeared in on Wikipedia, it mentioned Pinball and Mario Pinball Land as sports games. I don't agree with that but some people consider Poker to be a sport so yea. -- Pizza Master (talk)
A pinball video game is a simulation of the real world activity of pinball. It could count. Salmancer (talk) 16:27, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
@Technetium @Salmancer We don't need a catch-all for the Poltergust either but people wanted it anyway. Why should this be different? Regarding the RPG games, there are only 3 series of RPGs but many series of sports games. In option one, there are 5 series + 2 basketball games, in option two there are 7 + basketball, and in option three there are 8 + basketball. Regarding the List of games by genre, most users looking to find information on particular series aren't going to instinctually look that up and more than likely will type in something more common. Also, what one thinks on whether the real-life Pinball should be considered a sport will guide whether one thinks Pinball should be included in this catch-all article.-- Pizza Master (talk)
"Mario Sports" can redirect to List of games by genre#Sports, thus solving the community held nickname problem. Genre (the article) is already trying to count up all of the real world sports seen in Mario, and failing because the Olympic Games makes it hard to quantify. Salmancer (talk) 17:14, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
How exactly is Poltergust comparable whatsoever? We have an article covering various iterations of a recurring fictional object, so we should also have an article providing an overview of multiple loosely related series of sports games? I completely fail to see the analogy here. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 19:50, May 25, 2025 (EDT)

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Split every song from the "List of (show) songs" articles

Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on May 31, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

(Yes, I am aware this might sound like a crazy idea, but hear me out.)

Many of the Mario cartoons, like Super Mario World and Donkey Kong Country incorporate songs into their episodes, and we cover all of those songs by lists. It's a pretty good way to store those songs...but...recently, I was gonna start adding lyrics from other languages to some Donkey Kong Country songs, and I was thinking that if we include every language for every song, the lists will start getting really, REALLY long (Yes, I am aware some dubs didn't dub songs or episodes). And it's not like these songs don't have anything to talk about to warrant their own article. The articles could include a table of which dubs either include the song, dub the song, but shorten it, include the song, undubbed, or just flat-out don't include the song. Donkey Kong Country also has some interesting facts that could also be noted on their pages, "Pirate's Scorn" and "I'm Gonna Be a Star" airing on Musitoon, "Monkey Business"'s "transition" variant on Pure West's website, and Alestorm's cover of "Pirate's Scorn." There's definitely enough information for Donkey Kong Country songs to be split, and I don't see why this can't be applied to all of the other Mario cartoons.

Proposer: Kaptain Skurvy (talk)
Deadline: June 7, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Time to make like the banana and split! (Support)

  1. Kaptain Skurvy (talk) Per proposal.
  2. Al smoothie (talk) We already have peaches, it's time to add bananas to the smoothie.
  3. EvieMaybe (talk) one more step towards covering music better!
  4. Tails777 (talk) Per EvieMaybe. I'd like to kinda rework how we cover music overall, but this is indeed a good step in the right direction.
  5. Jdtendo (talk) If having very long lists hinders coverage, it's better to split.
  6. Camwoodstock (talk) Our music coverage is already a tad strange, and a split like this is a step in the right direction. You could be somebody's hero with this.
  7. Ahemtoday (talk) Given I'm the guy who made the DDR: Mario Mix song articles, I'm very in favor of this kind of thing. Heck, I've been trying to figure out how to justify making Donkey Konga song articles for a while now...
  8. Rykitu (talk) Per all.
  9. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per all.
  10. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Yeah, sure, why not?
  11. Pseudo (talk) Better music coverage is always appreciated!

This idea should slip on a banana peel! (Oppose)

Comments Seer, Comments Do (Comments)

Allow creation of pages for officially named music tracks

Based on the vote so far, this proposal may be eligible to close one week early. Please use {{proposal check|early=yes}} on June 1, 2025 at 23:59 GMT and close the proposal if applicable.

Our coverage of music on the wiki is... not great. Currently, pages for music tracks are limited to ones that are deemed recurring (appearing in 8 or more things), and if it falls out of that criteria, creating a page isn't allowed. We have a lot of inconsistent decisions on the wiki right now, but this might be one of the most confusing to an uninformed editor. Imagine you see "World 1 Map (Grass Land)" from Super Mario Bros. 3 has a page, and that "World 2 Map (Desert Land)" doesn't. You might think that's a gap in the wiki's coverage, and decide to create that page... Except you can't, because we have very specific guidelines to determine why some tracks are notable enough to get a page and others aren't. In my opinion, this is one of the biggest coverage disparities on the wiki.

And here's the thing, our current guidelines have very little to back them up as something to be set in stone. We're limited to recurring tracks because the original proposer didn't feel knowledgeable enough to make lots of music pages, which is totally fair! (The wording of "I want to start something of this kind" implies to me that the expectation was always we'd eventually push farther though, yeah?) And we determine what's recurring by 8 appearances because it's an arbitrarily chosen number. To the hypothetical user who wants to know why "World 2 Map (Desert Land)" can't have a page for some reason, I don't think this holds up to much scrutiny. That proposal was made in 2018 as square one, but we're still there.

So here's my proposal, and it's a biggie: allow the creation of pages for music tracks that have been officially named. Basically, anything that's ever been in an in-game sound test, soundtrack release, Nintendo Music, sheet music book, or something like that. Internal names do not count for the scope of this proposal, it needs to be something that Nintendo intended to be public-facing.

This will not do away with the recurring themes guideline entirely. I don't really want to mess with it right now, and whether it's still beneficial if this proposal passes is something we can address separately at a later date. The recurring themes guideline will continue to handle the following cases:

  • Classifying certain themes as recurring and giving them the appropriate category and navbox. I think this is still potentially useful to have.
  • Arrangements of existing themes. If a specific arrangement meets the recurring criteria on its own (e.g. "Slider"), it will get its own page, otherwise it's merged with the original theme. This is how we handle these already, so no change here.
  • Pages for unnamed themes. If a music track has never officially been named, it needs to meet the current recurring criteria to be considered notable enough to have a conjecturally named page.

As for a few questions I'm anticipating:

  • Won't this result in a lot of short articles? Some of these articles will be shorter, yes. I personally don't think this is much of an issue, a shorter article is fine in my view as long as it's comprehensive about the subject. There are things worth talking about regarding these besides where they play in the game, such as their composition.
  • Won't this result in a lot of articles? Yes! If we're trying to cover the Mario franchise to the best of our ability, I don't see why this is a problem.
  • Will this cause copyright problems? As far as I can tell, no. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, which is also owned by Porplemontage, has full comprehensive coverage of that series' musical themes. Some of our other NIWA affiliates have similarly strong music coverage.

To be clear, this proposal is not specifically to create all of these articles (otherwise it'll probably sit unimplemented until the end of time), rather to relax our guidelines a bit to allow these articles to be created eventually. If someone makes a well-written article, it doesn't really make sense to delete it for falling outside of limits that are arbitrary and not communicated very well.

Proposer: Waluigi Time (talk)
Deadline: June 8, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Music to my ears (Support)

  1. Waluigi Time (talk) Per proposal.
  2. DryBonesBandit (talk) Per.
  3. Technetium (talk) As long as the resulting articles are large enough to warrant their existence. Or maybe some of the shorter ones could be merged into larger articles, based on, for example, shared motifs?
  4. Tails777 (talk) Strong support. The way we currently cover music has been on my mind a lot lately. This at least helps further justify a few music articles we currently have beyond their "recurring" nature (Waluigi Pinball has an article largely because the Brawl rendition appears in three games and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is being treated as a separate thing from Mario Kart 8, which really feels like cheating considering MK8D is a port.)
  5. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) I may not have voted on the original proposal, but I did support ToxicOJ's proposal, and this is just as good as that. (There's still the whole "PAL on NTSC" vs "NTSC on NTSC" vs "PAL on PAL" vs "NTSC on PAL"/"PAL on Toploader" thing from that proposal that could probably have its own proposal, but that's a whole other topic)
  6. Hewer (talk) Something I like about Inkipedia is how thorough its music coverage is, it'd be great to see this wiki do similar. The "recurring themes" system we've had so far has been decent, but 8 is a completely arbitrary number of appearances, it's not really clear whether things like soundtrack releases count as separate appearances, and it also means music coverage for newer games is really imbalanced with that of older games (like, most of the Super Mario Bros. 3 soundtrack qualifies for articles, while Super Mario Odyssey only has Fossil Falls, one of its main themes, and even that only just managed to scrape past the requirement after a whole console generation's worth of time). And honestly, I've always found it a little odd how tracks with lyrics just get a free pass to have articles no matter how many appearances they have. The solution of doing away with that minimum number of appearances is much more simple, consistent, and fun. The wiki would cover a character or item that only appears in one game, so why should music be different?
  7. Altendo Music (talk) Per all, but particularly Technetium.
  8. Ahemtoday (talk) Per proposal. Lots of big news on the music coverage front, huh?
  9. Pseudo (talk) Per all. I'd really like this wiki to cover music more thoroughly.
  10. FanOfYoshi (talk) per
  11. Kaptain Skurvy (talk) Sounds good to me!
  12. Nightwicked Bowser (talk) Music S.T.A.R.T
  13. Camwoodstock (talk) This is extremely overdue. Honestly, we've had thoughts about this ever since we discovered Super Mario Bros. Special (the album, NOT the game), and discovered it's an album that, apparently, has an overarching narrative in its lyrics. Having those translated and the story summarized on the article would be one, pretty nice, thing. Having individual pages to give proper transcripts and individual summaries on a per-song basis would be VERY nice.
  14. Scrooge200 (talk) I can see a fair amount of use for this. Explaining which tracks are associated with certain characters, lifting leitmotifs and references, smaller cases of tracks being rearranged between games (Sticker Star and Color Splash have a lot), and maybe someone more musically inclined than me could go into instruments used and BPM. Media lists also need more love and I'm hoping this encourages their creation.
  15. Sorbetti (talk) Per music.
  16. Polley001 (talk) I do share some concern that pages might be created without a sufficient amount of content, but by and large I'm all for increasing our music coverage. The 8 appearance rule was rather arbitrary and I generally don't feel that amount of appearances should universally determine how worthy a track is of receiving an article.

I don't like the sound of that (Oppose)

  1. EvieMaybe (talk) i hate to have to vote against a proposal touching on a subject i very much agree with, but i don't think this is the way to go. this works for some franchises, but Super Mario is absolutely not the kind of franchise this works for. just lifting the barrier and giving editors carte-blanche to create a bunch of scattered little music track pages just because they have an OST release with names seems like a very poor way of both organizing a wiki and analyzing a game's soundtrack. if this proposal allowed for the creation of pages about a game's entire soundtrack, with sections for each track, i would vote for it in a heartbeat. as is? the rules after this passes will be needlessly open ended and result in a lot of work that will then have to be undone when we try to organize things further. it's just poorly thought-out.
  2. Salmancer (talk) I'm going against my principles of favoring more articles here, but I'm with Evie on this. If song article creation becomes open-season, I have a hunch people are going to rush out to fill the quota and we're going to end up with a lot of listicles that technically aren't stubs but also aren't interesting to read. This hunch is based on how many of our current theme articles lack "Composition" sections for their base forms, and how many of the articles have sections for arrangements without having a single sentence in any section for what that section's arrangement actually changed about the song. Mind you, the existing articles are for songs that have eight or more appearances and are therefore more likely to have primary source materials to utilize. If we can't manage to make solid articles off those, then I have low hopes for the flood of articles that will come from this proposal passing doing much better.

Comments (I ran out of jokes)

You say anything that's in an in-game sound test, so this would mean articles for every track in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team through Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey, Paper Mario: Color Splash through The Thousand-Year Door remake, and even the games in Super Mario 3D All Stars. That would definitely get very excessive especially with a lot of the tracks in those games not playing very often. Mario jumping Nightwicked Bowser Bowser emblem from Mario Kart 8 14:11, May 25, 2025 (EDT)

Yes, that's the case. I don't see it as "excessive", personally, I already acknowledged that this would open us up to a lot of articles but I don't see that as being detrimental to the wiki at all. Music is an important part of the franchise and I think we ought to have better ways to cover it than we currently do - so many tracks have their history scattered across various pages because they haven't hit that magic eight or just aren't covered well at all. "The Grand Finale" is an iconic and beloved track, for example, but if I search that name I'm just redirected to the BJJ sound test where it says that it "Plays during the battle against Dark Bowser and Dark Star Core." and nothing else. Where can I read about differences in composition for the remake, or that it was in Smash, or what it's called in other languages? If I wanted to write an article about that, it would be deleted on the spot right now. Maybe it could be a section on Dark Bowser's article, but I'm not fond of having music coverage tucked away in odd places like that and not every track lends itself to that. Having articles for one-off tracks is a price I'm more than willing to pay for better coverage in this area (and, honestly, I still think those articles would be beneficial). I'm open to alternatives though, really I'm just looking for any improvement at all right now and I think ripping off the arbitrary limits bandage is the best way to do that. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 14:38, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
Very well then, but what about the "thinking" versions of battle themes from The Origami King and The Thousand-Year Door? Would those have seperate articles as well or be covered in the base theme's article? There's several other tracks in these games that progressively gain more instruments as the game goes on but with each version listed seperately in the music player such as Origami King's Toad Town theme. Mario jumping Nightwicked Bowser Bowser emblem from Mario Kart 8 20:45, May 25, 2025 (EDT)
The thinking versions and other variants would be considered arrangements and be merged with the base tracks (unless they somehow appeared enough times on their own, which I doubt will ever happen). --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:07, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

I don't oppose this, personally. I was the one who suggested the "eight minimum" rule in the first place to be cautious, but ultimately, it functioned more as a way to edge in coverage of a subject that was lacking such at the time. Now we do cover this sort of subject, and perhaps that rule is no longer needed. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:14, May 25, 2025 (EDT)

Okay, a question I have: how do we decide on a name to use for tracks that have multiple? Currently, it seems like names attached to the original appearance of a theme are higher priority than newer appearances (like "The Toad Brigade" instead of "It's Captain Toad!", and this track was never renamed to "Quizzy-Question Wonder" in the several months between that name and the current name appearing). This is unlike how our naming policy for other subjects prefers newer names, though I guess you could make the argument that a live service like Nintendo Music is treated differently for the purpose of figuring out the most recent name. Perhaps something should be added to MarioWiki:Naming about this. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 08:38, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

That's... a good question. It's out of the scope of this proposal, but seems like something we should have a greater discussion about down the road. (For the slots theme, you can at least make the argument that the SMB3 tracks on Nintendo Music weren't added until after SMBW? No such luck for the Toad Brigade theme though.) For my two cents, I think I would prefer to stick with the title that applies to the theme's original context, but like you say that's not consistent with current naming elsewhere... --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:07, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
The draft proposal Proposal for defining musical theme name formatting policies would define naming policies. To revise the proposed policy further, musical themes would take names from any form of release of their source work's soundtrack. The source work can be defined as the first Super Mario-related media to feature the theme. If the musical theme is attributed to another work within the first-released work, the attributed work is the source work instead. The soundtrack can be released with a name within the source work's, an official soundtrack, a work containing an official soundtrack (such as Super Mario 3D All-Stars), or Nintendo Music. If a name is not found from those sources, then a name from a later work can be used. Under this criteria, localization changes such as correcting "Koopa's Road" to "Bowser's Road" would be possible without the issue of renaming "Bonus Game BGM" to "Break Time! Tunes 1". B700465189a9 (talk) 12:52, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
I agree that music tracks should gear towards their original context. While I know this doesn't have its own article, as it's a variation of the Invincibility theme, it would be a bit off putting and misleading if "Metallic Mario" was named "Zappy-Zone Wonder", a name that is indeed a rendition of Metal Mario's theme, but not a name that has anything to do with Metal Mario as a whole. I believe this should be a case where the original name is maintained, as remixed/arranged themes can play for situations that are completely different than their original intention and that could get confusing when someone wants a certain theme, but has to look up a name that has nothing to do with what or where it played for. Sprite of Yoshi's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Tails777 Talk to me!Sprite of Daisy's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate16:22, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
That makes enough sense for different versions of tracks, but the two examples I picked out in my comment ("It's Captain Toad!" and "Quizzy-Question Wonder") are just re-uses of the original track under a different name, so it's a bit trickier. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 21:24, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

Would these pages have images? I think it would make sense to be our own Nintendo Music and have a screenshot of a level or scene where the song plays, just for some visual association. Scrooge200 (talk) PMCS Mustard Cafe Sign.png 18:46, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

The specifics of these pages aren't covered in this proposal. Our current music articles are pretty barren visually, but I would like to see some improvement on that. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:42, May 28, 2025 (EDT)

@Camwoodstock: I'm pretty sure the tracks from that album could technically already get pages even without this proposal, since songs with lyrics seem to bypass the "recurring" criteria. 18 x 13, for instance, has an article despite making only one appearance. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 21:14, May 26, 2025 (EDT)

I think "is an obtainable item" is an outright bypass, as per Work Those Muscles! and friends being Records in Warioware Gold. Salmancer (talk) 21:25, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
Right, bad example. Break Free (Lead the Way), then. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 21:33, May 26, 2025 (EDT)
...See, we assumed there could maybe be a precedent just because of Ignorance is Bliss, but we guess that works. It'd be nice to have it set-in-stone that you can give individual songs in an album articles outside of stuff like that, though. Camwoodstock-sigicon.png~Camwoodstock ( talk ☯ contribs ) Camwoodstock-sigicon2.png 01:12, May 27, 2025 (EDT)

I went through all 111 pages on Template:Themes to find articles which fail to meet both of my criteria: having no textual data about how the original sounds and no textual data about what any one of the arrangements do to change the original. For the purposes of this, noting the song is shorter did not count as noting a change to the arrangement, but noting the variable mix properties used for every song in a specific game did count. There are six outright failures: Gusty Garden Galaxy (theme), Luma (theme) ("additional instrumentation" did not pass), Waltz of the Boos, Castle Theme (Super Mario 3D Land), Fossil Falls (theme), and Hello, Happy Kingdom. In hindsight, allowing shared variable mix properties is way too generous, but that means there should be zero articles that qualify and not six. Salmancer (talk) 06:01, May 28, 2025 (EDT)

Isn't the solution to articles being bad to improve them rather than to prevent their creation? While those articles certainly could be better than they are now, it's not like they're completely worthless in their current state, they still inform you of all the times that the theme has appeared. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 07:02, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
My take on this is that perfect is the enemy of good. I'll concede that a lot of our music articles are not in the best shape they can be. But I also think some coverage is better than no coverage - Gusty Garden Galaxy may be nowhere near featured article worthy, but it's already doing a lot to consolidate information on an iconic track that would be scattered around who knows how many articles otherwise, and I think that's useful to have and something our readers would be interested in even if the article isn't covering everything it should be yet. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:42, May 28, 2025 (EDT)

Another question. What about songs that don't originate in the franchise? Will this proposal allow All Star from Donkey Konga 2 to get a page? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 07:37, May 28, 2025 (EDT)

To be honest. I was lying in wait for some of the currently running proposals to pass so that I could make a proposal on that subject. If we have precedent for named songs getting articles, precedent for lists of songs being split, and especially precedent for rhythm game songs being level equivalents and therefore requiring articles, then everything lines up for Donkey Konga. Ahemtoday (talk) 11:22, May 28, 2025 (EDT)
This doesn't include licensed tracks. That's pushing scope too much for my tastes and is kind of missing the point of why we're covering these tracks - if you wanted to know about All Star, there's plenty of other resources for those, but if we're not going to be covering Mario tracks, who will? Maybe if we somehow get to a point where every eligible track has a fully comprehensive page, we can consider having that discussion. For now, there's more important things to worry about, and I'd be a little concerned about our priorities if Take On Me had an article here while the majority of the Galaxy soundtrack was still missing pages. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 11:42, May 28, 2025 (EDT)

Goombette

Hey! Should ALL text in pages referring to Goombette as a "species" should referring to said charatcer as such a "character" instead?

Proposer: Wariowarefan100 (talk)
Deadline: June 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT

Goombette is a "species": This will make Goombette a "species"

  1. Wariowarefan100 (talk) I disagree with "species".

Goombette is a "charatcer": This will make Goombette a "character"

  1. Wariowarefan100 (talk) I agree with "character".
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) ...Is this like, asserting Goombette is her own specific species separate from a Goomba? Like, ordinary Goombas and girl Goombas are different on a species level? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Disussion

This would most likely be best handled as a talk page proposal on Talk:Goombette. -- Pseudo (talk, contributions) User:Pseudo 16:34, May 29, 2025 (EDT)

What exactly is this proposal trying to do? You don't give any reasoning, and you voted for both contradictory options, which is against the rules. In those votes you seem to feel that Goombette should be considered a character, which... she already is. She is a Goomba.--PopitTart (talk) 16:38, May 29, 2025 (EDT)

Goombette is whatever Nintendo decides. Some text in-game describes her as a character, she is listed as though she is an enemy species on Mario Portal, and multiple appear in the Sand Kingdom at once. There needs to be a "no change" option as well, since again, she's portrayed as a sort-of in-between, which is what we reflect. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:55, May 29, 2025 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure the second option of saying she's a character IS the status quo option. And the double voting is merely just them saying they agree with one and they disagree with the other. Sprite of Yoshi's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Tails777 Talk to me!Sprite of Daisy's stock icon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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