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*#''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!]]''
*#''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!]]''
*#''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!]]''
*#''[[WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$!]]''
*#''[[Nintendo Sound Selection Vol.2: Loud Music]]'' (As ワリオのなんでも会社, "Wario's Anything Company")
*#''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' / ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]]'' / ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' (WarioWare, Inc. Medley)
*#''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' / ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Wii U]]'' / ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' (WarioWare, Inc. Medley)
*#''[[WarioWare: D.I.Y.]]'' (as Dr. Crygor's theme)
*#''[[WarioWare: D.I.Y.]]'' (as Dr. Crygor's theme)

Revision as of 03:30, August 13, 2024

Musical themes that don't qualify for articles yet

Per this proposal, musical themes must appear in at least 8 pieces of Super Mario-related media, not counting appearances of the theme in retro services, to have an article created about them.

Per this proposal, if the musical theme originates in something that does not have a dedicated article on this wiki, only appearances in non-crossover pieces of Super Mario-related media count towards the threshold.

Appearances that do not count towards the article creation threshold should still be noted that within the recurring theme's article, such as appearances in retro services and non-Super Mario-related media.

Here are examples of what would and would not count towards the “8 pieces of media” threshold:

Counts towards the threshold:
  • Any form of a theme in the original game.
  • Any form of a theme in a remake of the original game.
  • Any form of a theme in another game.
  • Any form of a theme in a remake of another game.
  • Any form of a theme in a Super Mario-related crossover (if the theme originates in the greater Super Mario franchise)
  • Any form of a theme in any other type of Super Mario-related piece of media.
Doesn't count towards the threshold:
  • Any form of a theme in a retro service.
  • Any form of a theme in a piece of non-Super Mario-related media.
  • Any form of a theme in a crossover (if the theme originates outside of the greater Super Mario franchise)

All themes in green qualify for articles.

HELP: Easy places to look for reuses and arrangements: Crossover game series (Super Smash Bros.; Mario & Sonic...); Donkey Konga series; Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix; remakes, reissues and ports; established game series (Super Mario; Mario Kart...); Albums; TV/film adaptations.

Super Mario Bros. series

VS. Super Mario Bros.

Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic / Super Mario Bros. 2

(Might be in BS Super Mario USA. Also, under the proposal, this should be in the template. --SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT))

(Might be in BS Super Mario USA. This fits the template, but only just BARELY.--SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT))

(Might be in BS Super Mario USA. Also, this should be in the template. --SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT))

Super Mario Bros. 3

Super Mario Land

Super Mario World

Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins

Super Mario 64

New Super Mario Bros.

Super Mario Galaxy

New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Super Mario 3D Land

Super Mario 3D World

Super Mario Maker

Mario Kart series

Super Mario Kart

Mario Kart 64

Mario Kart: Super Circuit

Mario Kart: Double Dash!!

Mario Kart Arcade GP

Mario Kart DS

Mario Kart Wii

Mario Kart 7

Mario Kart 8

Mario Kart Tour + Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

Role-playing games

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

(Do trailers for Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate count as appearances? - Dive Rocket Launcher 20:28, May 29, 2024 (EDT))

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga

Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story

Mario & Luigi: Dream Team

Mario Discovery series

Mario is Missing! (MS-DOS)

Mario is Missing! (NES)

Donkey Kong series

Donkey Kong

Donkey Kong Jr.

Donkey Kong Country series

Donkey Kong Country

Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest

Donkey Kong 64

Donkey Kong Country Returns

Donkey Kong Jungle Beat

Wrecking Crew series

Wrecking Crew

  • "Golden Hammer Theme"

Appear in: Wrecking Crew / Wrecking Crew '98 / Super Smash Bros. Brawl / Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Yoshi's Island series

Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

Wario Land series

Wario World

Wario Land: Shake It!

WarioWare series

WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!

(In regards of it being "unnamed", Nintendo Sound Selection Vol.2: Loud Music features a track called ワリオのなんでも会社 ("Wario's Anything Company"), this is the cutscene music for Wario's "Anything Goes" set, which in itself is a remix of the cutscene music for the "Intro" set. Then again, both themes, and Dr. Crygor's theme too (and I presume other cutscene songs as well like 9-Volt's), are arranged from the main theme of WarioWare, Inc.: Mega MicroGame$!, as can be heard in the second half of the title screen theme, as well as the menu theme; and the menu theme was remixed for Brawl under the title "WarioWare, Inc.", so maybe "WarioWare, Inc. (theme)" or "WarioWare, Inc. (main theme)" would be good titles. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 19:12, July 2, 2024 (EDT))

Mario vs. Donkey Kong series

Mario vs. Donkey Kong

Wii Sports Resort

The Legend of Zelda

Metroid

F-Zero

Splatoon

Excitebike

Flipnote Studio

Other

Discussion

Unnamed theme used in cutscenes and in Dr. Crygor (theme)

(Potentially more. Should the usages/remixes/... be counted here? Both Lost a Life & Game Over (theme) are counted with Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), so maybe. --SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 10:28, May 10, 2024 (EDT))

My understanding is that a different version of the same theme only counts towards the threshold if it's in a different game; multiple versions in the same game only count as one (while still being notable enough for an article). The version of this theme used in the Reality stage is itself reused as Dr. Crygor (theme), but most of the instances of that theme specifically use a melody line that's not featured in the version of the theme found elsewhere in Mega Microgame$!. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 10:37, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
I brought up Lost a Life & Game Over (theme) because they are different versions of Ground Theme (Super Mario Bros.), but they are counted separately. That's what I'm talking about. Different versions in the same game, not re-uses. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 11:48, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
I know. I'm saying that my understanding is that those don't count towards the threshold. They count as examples of the theme, but they do not count as additional uses for the sake of reaching the threshold for notability. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:05, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
Well, the top of the page itself says this for what counts: "Any form of a theme in the original game." SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:25, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
It says "appear in at least 8 pieces of Super Mario-related media", not "appear at least 8 times in Super Mario-related media". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:30, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
The full section itself:
Counts towards the threshold:
Any form of a theme in the original game.
Any form of a theme in a remake of the original game.
Any form of a theme in another game.
Any form of a theme in a remake of another game.
Any form of a theme in any other type of Super Mario-related piece of media.
Doesn't count towards the threshold:
Any form of a theme in a retro service.
Any form of a theme in a piece of non-Super Mario-related media.
Hope that clears things up. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:33, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
That's not the whole section. The thing I quoted is immediately before that, the part where it says "8 pieces of media". Yes, all of these count as appearances, but if more than one of these is in the same piece of media that doesn't count as an additional piece of media. Sorry for being unclear. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:37, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
Then why does it say Any form of a theme then? Is that false? Cause if it is, it would need to be removed. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:40, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
It says "any form of a theme" counts towards the threshold of appearing in "8 pieces of media". As in, any form of a theme appearing in a piece of media counts for that piece of media. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 12:43, May 10, 2024 (EDT)
Ugh, only the 1st part made sense for me. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:46, May 10, 2024 (EDT)

Mario Land 2 motif in Wario Land?

Should that count?: https://twitter.com/PRINGLE2612/status/1617609014719975425. I would naively be inclined to say yes, but what do you think? --Conradd (talk) 10:24, May 11, 2024 (EDT)

It sounds similar enough that it could be intentional, but the "inverted harmony" version isn't an exact match. The 3D Land theme doesn't appear to be counted as a version of the ground theme from Super Mario Bros. 3, so I don't think a song being intentionally somewhat similar (but not quite the same) is enough. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 10:32, May 11, 2024 (EDT)
I can give an analogy. When I saw a few SMB movie trailers (2020, not the old one), the end would play a version of the SMB ground theme, but it wasn't exact. It had an ending, which the OG version didn't. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 12:48, May 11, 2024 (EDT)

Super Mario Land Ending & Mario Kart: Double Dash!! Rainbow Road

Probably a coincidence, but fun nonetheless.:

  • First, the original from Super Mario Land:

  • And finally, the Rainbow Road theme from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!:

--Conradd (talk) 09:12, May 12, 2024 (EDT)

I can definitely hear the similarities. I can also hear similarities between the OG ending and the Ground Theme from Super Mario Bros. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:18, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

Composers subsection

Lately, I've had an idea. How do you guys feel about adding a Composers subsection in the Recurring themes template? The idea is to have dedicated articles about Mario composers, with breakdowns/analyses on how they've composed their music over the years, their habits, the music concepts they've put on the table, etc...etc... You know... what makes their music theirs and not someone else's. To gives you an idea:

--Conradd (talk) 16:34, May 13, 2024 (EDT)

Yeah, that would be fine with me. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 08:42, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
Should I make a proposal? --Conradd (talk) 09:26, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
(shrug) That would be up to you, not me. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 09:29, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
Why am I even asking? --Conradd (talk) 09:57, May 14, 2024 (EDT)


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don't include 2-4

Proposer: Conradd (talk)
Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Conradd (talk) per proposal.
  2. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) Per proposal & @Conradd.

Oppose

  1. Hewer (talk) We already have Template:People, so this is redundant and also kinda off-topic for the themes navbox. Should we include game developers in the games navbox, for instance? It also appears that this proposal was made under the mistaken belief that we don't already have composer articles.
  2. JanMisali (talk) Per Hewer. Seems redundant and off-topic.
  3. Arend (talk) Per all + see comments
  4. MegaBowser64 (talk) Purr all

Comments

Would the composers be recurring as well, or is it just having composers in general be included? Because if it's the latter, then I don't see how that would fit on a nav template called Recurring themes - especially if the composer only worked on one game. Might as well introduce a separate nav template for composers, which would be redundant given that {{People}} already has a subsection for composers and sound engineers. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 13:13, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

Good point. @Conradd? Anything to answer this question? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 13:45, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

@Hewer I'm not seeing any redundancy here. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:09, May 14, 2024 (EDT)

Template:People has a whole section for "Composers and sound engineers". Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 14:15, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
To quote from the original post, "The idea is to have dedicated articles about Mario composers, with breakdowns/analyses on how they've composed their music over the years, their habits, the music concepts they've put on the table, etc...etc... You know... what makes their music theirs and not someone else's." SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:17, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
Well, we already do have dedicated articles about those composers, and there already is a navigational template that has a directory of those articles. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 14:22, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
But do those articles have anything listed in that quote I put? SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 14:25, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
Well, the thing is, the ideas Conradd had in mind for these composer pages could simply be added on the already existing articles without the need to unnecessarily add all the composers on the Themes template. In fact, if the idea was to create dedicated articles for these composers, then this proposal to add them to this template is not even necessary? It's merely tangential to Conradd's idea and only seems to have been made because a nav template for composers is useful. But given this concept-turned proposal despite {{People}} already including composers, and the fact that Conradd seems to speak as if not a single composer has a dedicated article yet, speaks to me that, while their ideas for these articles are good, Conradd had done some poorly executed research - if any - on the wiki to come to this conclusion. All you had to do was look up Koji Kondo in the wiki's search engine. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 15:08, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
(shrug) Well, I don't really know anymore, but I'm still supporting. SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (talk) 15:11, May 14, 2024 (EDT)